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post 1680997223 04-17-2023, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted By WoofieNugget⏩
The problem with decent universal health care is it has to be adequately funded and that funding has to account for an aging population like all countries are experiencing right now. Seniors put an insane strain on the system and most places (Canada included) are having to deal with high numbers of them without having accounted for it.

People during COVID were railing against seniors dying when these were people just sitting in nursing homes with zero quality of life, and frankly not only was dying a blessing for them and their families but it meant a needed bed was freed up. I honestly think they should give seniors an option to medically suicide every year after the age of about 75 - a lot of them would happily take it. You should also be able to give it to people with Alzheimers and severe dementia or things like MS and Parkinsons.

So either you pay high taxes, which they have in places like Germany and Norway or you have crappy care like in Canada and England. Or you pay out of pocket like in the US, most of which goes to corrupt inflation of service prices.
As someone who has extensively with the healthcare system in Canada the past 4 years ......I can say it isn't crappy.
post 1680997313 04-17-2023, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted By WetCoaster⏩
As someone who has extensively with the healthcare system in Canada the past 4 years ......I can say it isn't crappy.
Really it depends because provinces are responsible for health care. So you'll get far different service and options in Ontario versus somewhere like Alberta.
post 1680997683 04-17-2023, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted By Mountaineer92⏩
universal health care with wide open borders is criminal.
Trump should’ve closed off the borders then. He didn’t do ****.
post 1680998123 04-17-2023, 04:30 PM
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i wonder why op forgot the most important part of the article, strange.

1.Last week's four-day walkout by medics demanding a 35 per cent pay rise was expected to lead to the cancellation of another quarter of a million appointments and operations across the NHS.

2. Treatment delays existed long before the doctors' strike — and also the Covid-19 pandemic
Indeed, while the impact of the virus may have worsened the bottlenecks, the problem of rising patient demand is of longer standing

So we have delays before Covid, the shift to Covid for 2.5 years and now a doctors strike for a 35% pay increase.

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post 1680998503 04-17-2023, 04:35 PM
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JF Caron is Canadian. Ripped both quads off the bone at the 2021 Arnold. Was rushed to the hospital and had surgery in less than 24 houra despite no insurance and telling the hospital he didn't have the means to cover the surgery.

And because of that, he's actually able to attempt a comeback and he attributes that to the American hospital pushing immediate surgery. If he had waited to go home it would have taken at least a week before Canada would even schedule a surgery.
post 1680998773 04-17-2023, 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted By WoofieNugget⏩
Really it depends because provinces are responsible for health care. So you'll get far different service and options in Ontario versus somewhere like Alberta.
Yes especially on the East Coast small communities.

My Dad's health was not good the last 3-4 years before he passed away almost 2 years ago. So I dealt a lot with the system.

Even my with heath I have been able to get great care when needed. Perhaps I am lucky about that but at least I didn't have to spend our life savings.
post 1680999163 04-17-2023, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
JF Caron is Canadian. Ripped both quads off the bone at the 2021 Arnold. Was rushed to the hospital and had surgery in less than 24 houra despite no insurance and telling the hospital he didn't have the means to cover the surgery.

And because of that, he's actually able to attempt a comeback and he attributes that to the American hospital pushing immediate surgery. If he had waited to go home it would have taken at least a week before Canada would even schedule a surgery.
Not sure why he would not have bought travel insurance.

If he had torn his quads in Canada most likely he would have gotten the surgery right away.
post 1680999683 04-17-2023, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted By WetCoaster⏩
Not sure why he would not have bought travel insurance.

If he had torn his quads in Canada most likely he would have gotten the surgery right away.
Canada does not delay emergent procedures. Right wing extremists enjoy telling lies.
post 1681000793 04-17-2023, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
remember when they said death panels wouldn't be a thing? Canada has gotten pretty darn close
They don't even need death panels at this rate, just delay till the patient croaks.
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post 1681000843 04-17-2023, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted By IronFelix13⏩
No problem, im a child fuker
Thats common amongst commies
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post 1681000953 04-17-2023, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
Thats common amongst commies
I guess you’re a commie then.
post 1681001553 04-17-2023, 05:15 PM
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post 1681001573 04-17-2023, 05:15 PM
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No such thing as universal healthcare. You can't change the supply of doctors magically by the stroke of a pen.
post 1681001643 04-17-2023, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted By 129iq⏩
No such thing as universal healthcare. You can't change the supply of doctors magically by the stroke of a pen.
There are plenty of doctors. Look at our certification system and restrictions that artificially limit supply. A stroke of a pen could fix that aspect, and in many ways, it already has with NPs being given the ability to prescribe.
post 1681002053 04-17-2023, 05:24 PM
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post 1681002273 04-17-2023, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted By -JR⏩
They don't even need death panels at this rate, just delay till the patient croaks.
Then why aren't health outcomes better in the US than in Canada?
post 1681003333 04-17-2023, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted By Banderistan⏩
There are plenty of doctors. Look at our certification system and restrictions that artificially limit supply. A stroke of a pen could fix that aspect, and in many ways, it already has with NPs being given the ability to prescribe.
Yes that was a requirement lobbied for by doctors back in the late 1800s because people were going to nurses to treat regular aches and pains

The government has a long and well established history of mismanaging healthcare so obviously the thing to do is give it even more control. Its just common sense
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post 1681003423 04-17-2023, 05:43 PM
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Lmao I know people IRL who live in Canada and absolutely fking HATE universal health care. Some of them literally come out of pocket to see doctors in America because their healthcare system is so AIDS.
post 1681004533 04-17-2023, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
Yes that was a requirement lobbied for by doctors back in the late 1800s because people were going to nurses to treat regular aches and pains

The government has a long and well established history of mismanaging healthcare so obviously the thing to do is give it even more control. Its just common sense
The government isn't in control of our healthcare right now. For profit companies are. And they manipulate our regulations. The people need to take control back.
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Originally Posted By R3L3NTL3SS⏩
Lmao I know people IRL who live in Canada and absolutely fking HATE universal health care. Some of them literally come out of pocket to see doctors in America because their healthcare system is so AIDS.
You do realize more people leave ‘Merica and seek healthcare in other countries than come here FROM other countries? And it’s not even close, groomer.
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Originally Posted By IronFelix13⏩
You do realize more people leave ‘Merica and seek healthcare in other countries than come here FROM other countries? And it’s not even close, groomer.
2.7 million illegal immigrants in 2022 says you're wrong wincel.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/imm...king-rcna53517
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post 1681007603 04-17-2023, 06:56 PM
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We can have that.

next payday, take a look at the part on your pay stub where it lists total deductions. it will list all the taxes and social security and all that.

Simply double that number. That will be your portion of universal health care.

Now look at your tax return. That line that says amount to be refunded to you. Delete that line.

There you go, you can now afford "free" healthcare. Sure, it technically will cost you way more than just having insurance but your feelings wont get hurt so there is that.

Now, if you also want free college. Double that deduction amount again on your paystub. Doesnt matter if you are going to school or have already paid your debt off. It will make you feel batter and that somehow seems to be what really counts.
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Originally Posted By IronFelix13⏩
You do realize more people leave ‘Merica and seek healthcare in other countries than come here FROM other countries? And it’s not even close, groomer.
Losers like you with no insurance seeking $500 boob jobs. Lmfao
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The NHS takes the worst of private and public practices and makes a red headed, mutant love child.

As an example, it is single payer, but each hospital has it's own procurement with no central purchasing.

Hospital A pays $5 for an item, hospital B pays $10 and hospital C pays $75. If they leveraged the insane purchasing power that they have, they would be paying $1.75 for the item.

Money gets thrown at the hospitals and less and less patients get treated. They are so mismanaged it is unbelievable.

I could rant all day about what a clusterfk the NHS is, but any mention of reform makes them throw their toys out of their prams.
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Originally Posted By crupiea⏩
We can have that.

next payday, take a look at the part on your pay stub where it lists total deductions. it will list all the taxes and social security and all that.

Simply double that number. That will be your portion of universal health care.

Now look at your tax return. That line that says amount to be refunded to you. Delete that line.

There you go, you can now afford "free" healthcare. Sure, it technically will cost you way more than just having insurance but your feelings wont get hurt so there is that.

Now, if you also want free college. Double that deduction amount again on your paystub. Doesnt matter if you are going to school or have already paid your debt off. It will make you feel batter and that somehow seems to be what really counts.
Canadians get tax refunds
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Canadians get tax refunds
If you get a tax refund, it's because you paid too much tax, and you're a poor tax planner.
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Originally Posted By saltypits⏩
If you get a tax refund, it's because you paid too much tax, and you're a poor tax planner.
But not in the US?
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Originally Posted By WoofieNugget⏩
People during COVID were railing against seniors dying when these were people just sitting in nursing homes with zero quality of life, and frankly not only was dying a blessing for them and their families but it meant a needed bed was freed up. I honestly think they should give seniors an option to medically suicide every year after the age of about 75 - a lot of them would happily take it. You should also be able to give it to people with Alzheimers and severe dementia or things like MS and Parkinsons.
MAID is a thing now in Canada.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
But not in the US?
You're getting a tax refund from the USA?
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Originally Posted By saltypits⏩
You're getting a tax refund from the USA?
No.

But the poster to whom I responded (and quoted) said universal health care means no tax refunds.
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