this wasn't the initial argument, you low iq retard.

Are you aware of the fact that what you are currently doing is called "moving the goal post" in debates? Are you aware of this?

No one was making the argument of "which is more important, natural chin or defensive skills". You are strawmanning to save face because you got utterly embarrassed. By your own self lol.

Yea, super schizo and emotional.

It's totally normal and NOT schizo and emotional to drop paragraph after paragraph of hated about MMA fighters. It's funny because I only remember you for this exact reason. That must've been back in like 2016/17 lmao.

Bro must be on day release from the mental institute.

Think about it though, you made the claim "Mayweather had a great chin!".

Ok but how many times has that chin truely been tested by taking shots he didn't see coming? RAREEEELY

So where do you base your claim off of?

Many boxers take huge shots and keep going.
Many UFC fighters take huge shots and keep going.

These are terrible and non argument and doesn't address the core point in my post.

"it's youtube boxing" isn't an argument and isn't indicative of any point you were trying to make.

You said boxing gloves are pillows.

I said MMA guys have no chin.

I used the evidence of a youtuber with minimal boxing experience (less actual boxing training than guys like Askren, Woodley, Silva, all MMA fighters who've spent years and years under actual boxing coach) knocking out actual elite MMA fighters using those "pillows".

Again, I know you're low IQ going up against Celestial IQ, but I'll give you the floor again to disprove my point and show any sort of inconsistency in my argument.

Sounds like that person traumatized you to the point that you still remember him 7 years later, bro.

It sounds like he lives rent free in your head. But that's still no reason for you to barge in this debate, all emotional, and schizo and chit. Make an actual argument, or keep it moving as you seek out that guy that left you traumatized. You sound like an emotionally wounded woman looking for the one that got away, right about now lmao.

You can't use that argument fairly using Woodley and Askren as examples though. They are wrestlers doing a boxing match a couple weight classes above.

Boxing gloves are practically pillows compared to UFC gloves - true.

MMA guys have no chin - false

There are in fact MMA fighters with chins.

again, another low IQ tangent.

-- Mayweather has a great chin
-- Mayweather is defensively responsible

Both statements can be true, and are true. They do not contradict each other. I've given you video evidence of Mayweather getting hit clean by haymakers he didn't see coming. A punch that literally sent his fkn tooth flying out the ring. Instead of being a sentient being and admitting you are wrong, you double down with your obliviousness.

You are wasting my time with your low IQness bro.

There are also videos of UFC fighters doing the same.

But according to you, there shouldn't be, because MMA fighters have no chin.

Anyway, if you really want to believe that, go for it. Pretty clear you are just an online weirdo once you referred to yourself as having "Celestial IQ"

lol

The argument is that MMA fighters have no chin.

Are Ben Askren, Anderson Silva, Tyrone Woodley MMA fighters? Yes they are. Why are they conveniently wrestlers? Because it helps you cope? No, that's not how arguments work.

Ben Askren, Anderson Silva, and Tyrone Woodley are MMA fighters because they participate in MMA (all of them have been in MMA for over a decade) and are champions in MMA.

All those guys got KO'd or KD by a youtuber with little punching power (relative to actual boxers) wearing "pillows".

This is enough evidence to support the belief that MMA guys do in fact have fkn trash chins. Because they got KO'd by newbie boxer wearing pillows. That's why.

ahhhhh.... still can only use Jake Paul exhibition fights vs wrestling guys as examples. True boxer right here lol

Videos of UFC fighters doing what? Knocking Mayweather's tooth out? Your post are getting more and more incoherent.

My argument was always MMA guys have fkn absolute garbage chin because the sport itself doesn't require one to have a good to great chin and that there is no filtering process. The argument remains objective and true.

The fact that you're committing this much time and effort to trolling a dead subsection on a dead forum is worrying. You're definitely trolling but you're also sperging out hard at the same time. You're cranking these replies out like you've been smoking meth for 48 hours.

Lol you are saying Mayweather has a great chin because of ----> tooth example.

The same has happened to many MMA fighters though. So how come they also don't have great chins?

You said they all have no chins lol

I've now given you multiple chances to articulate why using the Jake Paul example would somehow diminish my point.

You haven't been able to. Get some self awareness bro. This is textbook losing an argument because you can't coherently form premises to support your conclusion.

tl;dr you are dumb and I'm wasting my time.

If it was a real fight for Askren or Woodley, they wouldn't go up 20lbs over their normal weight class for their first boxing match. They were doing it to get paid, PERIOD.

Use real fights as examples. That's all im sayin.

you sound like an NPC breaking down, bro. "he's making points I cant refute, he has to be trolling!" this is reddit tier cope.

I'm not your long lost internet crush that you've been looking for the past 7 years, bro.

Make an argument for why MMA guys don't have trash chin bro, otherwise fukk off to reddit to look for your internet love lulz.

"i-i-it wasn't r-real, damnit!" SICK and convincing argument, bro.

Actually it's YOUR argument that MMA guys have trash chin.

And so far your reason why is: Jake Paul vs former UFC fighter exhibition boxing matches lol

Your argument is so bad that you have to be trolling. I just don't see why you're doing it. It's very bizarre behavior.

It's so bad, yet neither you or that bicman low IQ idiot can refuse a single point.

How am I trolling? You are accusing me of trolling much in the same way leftist NPC accuse normal people of trolling when they make rational arguments and observation, you know that?

In what way am I trolling?

Did I create this topic? No.
Was I the first person to make the observation that MMA guys have trash chin? No.
Am I the first person to say MMA guys have trash chin in this thread? No.

I'm merely another poster in this thread, and you only mentally break down and check out by accusing me of trolling because I've made far and away the best posts proving that MMA guys have garbage chin, and you and bicman cannot refuse any of it.

"he's trolling" is usually the first sign of admitting defeat in deadly srs online debates. Did you know that?

Person A: MMA guys have trash chin

Person B: No they don't! Besides, boxing gloves are pillows!

Person A: if boxing gloves are pillows, and MMA guys don't have trash chin, why then do MMA champions get knocked out by a non fighter using those pillow gloves?

Person B: *short circuits and meltsdown* "i-i-it wasn't real!!!"

Look in the mirror and have a moment of awareness. Is this the limit of your ability to reason? For real, bro. I'm done. You're too low IQ.

Because you can't possibly be so low IQ to believe just because Jake Paul beat some retired UFC fighters, that that is a reflection on ALL MMA fighters having bad chins lol.

Or maybe you are.

Again, you are displaying low IQness. I'm not even saying that to chit talk you, bro. You don't understand the first thing about reason, logic, and debate. But it's not your fault. You're just another person arguing on the internet. It just so happen that you were unlucky enough to argue with me.

I didn't conclude that MMA guys have trash chin BECAUSE I saw Jake Paul knock out a bunch of MMA legends and champions using 8oz "pillows".

no

I've observed and concluded that MMA guys have trash chin because:

a) the sport of MMA doesn't require you to have a good+ chin to succeed
b) 50% of the MMA fights can involve grappling
c) the striking level in MMA is absolutely fkn embarrassing, yet they still knock each other out

I concluded that MMA guys have no chin long before Jake Paul ever KO'd those bums wearing pillows, bro. Jake Paul KO'ing those MMA bums merely ADDED on to the already huge pile of evidence I have to solidify my conclusion that MMA guys have trash chin.

But I don't expect you to understand something as simple as this because you're legit low IQ, can't gather your thoughts, and you are unable to form good, coherent argument to support your belief. dedfknsrs.

a) that makes no sense, mostly your opinion
b) also makes no sense, just because their is alot of wrestling in MMA doesn't mean you have a trash chin.
c) that's your opinion but it's retarded. has a lot to do with smaller gloves aswell.

Now i see why you go with Jake Paul, its all you really got lol

"that's ur opinion" and "it wasn't real!!" fkn sick and devastating arguments, you retard lmao.

imagine getting so emotionally worked up over this topic.

unhinged celestial gentlemen vibes lol

"how can our eyes be real if jake paul fights aren't real bro!"

sick and convincing evidence bro lulz.

Your favorite boxer gets rekt in a street fight by a regional level MMA fighter.

How does this make you feel?

My favorite boxer,

who gets paid hundreds of millions to box, whose genetic potential is higher than anyone in MMA, a sport where bums, highschool teachers, NFL rejects, K1 rejects, janitors, plumbers, Uber drivers, and Panda Express workers can become champions with 2 weeks watching Bas Rutten DVD,

who would have easily become MMA champion, had MMA been around earlier and paid anywhere near boxing did, thus would attract all the top tier elite combat athlete around the world, but instead chose to boxer, because that's where the money and best combat athlete talents around the world gathered,

who can easily transition to become MMA champ, if he wanted to, given enough monetary incentive, because an absolute bum like Matt Mitrione can knock out ATG Goats like Fedor, WWE wrestler like Brock Lesnar can KO a bum like Randy Couture, where elite "strikers" get embarrassed by youtubers, so why wouldn't an actual elite boxer wouldn't be able to effortlessly make that same transition?

I'd feel fine bro, I already watch boxing, the most elite and skill intensive combat sport of all time, bro lol.

Tyson Fury would become MMA HW GOAT with 1 year of training.
Terence Crawford would be P4P MMA GOAT with 2 weeks of wrestling.
Gervonta Davis would KO all those bums in lighter division watching a Wrestling For Beginners DVD series within 3 weeks
Jon Jones would get KO'd by any Cruiserweight boxer with 2 days of Muay Thai traininer.

Boxers are at the very tippy top of the combat sport echelon.

u maaaaaaaaaaad? yeah, u mad lmao.