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post 1682748293 05-15-2023, 11:42 AM
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If you’re a secular/non-Christian conservative, what exactly are you conserving?

Most Republican values are rooted in Judeo-Christian beliefs. Republicans love hierarchy, and Christianity is as hierarchical you can get: there’s a supreme being and everyone is born in sin. Trump supporters are also extremely objective as opposed to subjective. I’m extremely subjective and a postmodernist, everything is relative.

So if you’re a highly objective Trump supporter, then you must have a source for objective truth. That source cannot be anything else other than “God”. I think all the republicans who say they aren’t religious are only bullchitting themselves and don’t realize just how many Christian values they hold.

The ones who admit they believe in God, are being more honest than the Trump supporters who claim they don’t. Although believing in God is already no different than believing in Santa Claus or the tooth fairy, God is Santa Claus for adults so anyone who uses God as their source of objective truth is already a clown. You would be hard pressed to find many atheist Trump supporters as a result.

Conservatives consider themselves to be the “normies”. So my question is, WHAT is normal? And who decides what is normal and what isn’t? Normal always changes. How the phuck are conservatives for preserving normalcy when normal is always changing?
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just because I am an atheist (technically agnostic but I don't believe there is a higher power) doesn't mean I cannot agree or appreciate their values
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
just because I am an atheist (technically agnostic but I don't believe there is a higher power) doesn't mean I cannot agree or appreciate their values
That's actually a valid point. You don't necessarily have to believe in God or all the events of the bible to agree that the principles of Christianity particularly from the gospel onward are virtuous and are a good goal.


Also lol at belief in god being like santa clause. The only people I've ever met that have that mindset never moved past a childlike understanding of religion. In fact it's a massive problem in the church today - a poor transition from a childlike belief system to one that actually fits into the world we live in (which completely destroys childlike belief).
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
just because I am an atheist (technically agnostic but I don't believe there is a higher power) doesn't mean I cannot agree or appreciate their values
You appreciate their values, but are their values necessarily the Truth? I can appreciate Taliban values, does that make me right? Does merely appreciating someone else’s values make them right?

Do you believe Christian values are right? And if so, then they’re right according to who? Could it be…God? That’s what Christians use to back up their values as being “correct”.
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Originally Posted By StrongAtheist⏩
You appreciate their values, but are their values necessarily the Truth? I can appreciate Taliban values, does that make me right? Does merely appreciating someone else’s values make them right?

Do you believe Christian values are right? And if so, then they’re right according to who? Could it be…God? That’s what Christians use to back up their values as being “correct”.
they are right according to me
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Originally Posted By Jacobcapra⏩
That's actually a valid point. You don't necessarily have to believe in God or all the events of the bible to agree that the principles of Christianity particularly from the gospel onward are virtuous and are a good goal.


Also lol at belief in god being like santa clause. The only people I've ever met that have that mindset never moved past a childlike understanding of religion. In fact it's a massive problem in the church today - a poor transition from a childlike belief system to one that actually fits into the world we live in (which completely destroys childlike belief).
It’s the opposite, the people who believe in a sky daddy have a childlike mindset. God is literally called “Father” by adults. The carrot/stick approach only works on children. “You do this bad thing and punishment!” If you’re a good boy, you get your carrot.
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Originally Posted By StrongAtheist⏩
It’s the opposite, the people who believe in a sky daddy have a childlike mindset. God is literally called “Father” by adults. The carrot/stick approach only works on children. “You do this bad thing and punishment!” If you’re a good boy, you get your carrot.
if that is what you think you are not a very good atheist
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
they are right according to me
According to -you-. But then who are you? Are you God?
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
if that is what you think you are not a very good atheist
Then what is it if it’s not that?
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Originally Posted By StrongAtheist⏩
According to -you-. But then who are you? Are you God?
No I am clearly not god. Someone wrote them, I studied them and determined I think by and large they got it right
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They are conserving the imperialism they internalized from the British.
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Identifying with political ideology is the same thing as LGBTQSOU&&@! identifying as [thing].


It is just made up nonsense that we get way to emotionally involved with because we value pointless BS.


same exact thing.


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Originally Posted By Banderistan⏩
They are conserving the imperialism they internalized from the British.
Where the British were highly religious and based everything off God to justify their actions.
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
Identifying with political ideology is the same thing as LGBTQSOU&&@! identifying as [thing].


It is just made up nonsense that we get way to emotionally involved with because we value pointless BS.


same exact thing.




now scream how right your point of view is my little snowflakes.
So what you’re saying is that everyone is full of **** then? By your logic, when you really look at it, everything is made up. Everything that we’ve ever been taught was made up by someone else.
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Maybe some people believe in freedom and liberty ?

Why does it matter if that person is agnostic , a racial minority, gay , trans , etc if their overall political values align more with Republican candidates ?


You can believe in conserving freedom and the constitution without being a religious theocrat dude lmao

You literally sound like a black and white thinking extremist

The religious fundamentalists are just as Grifty and culty as the unhinged left
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Originally Posted By StrongAtheist⏩
Where the British were highly religious and based everything off God to justify their actions.
Yep. And it was always just an excuse to plunder.
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Originally Posted By StrongAtheist⏩
So what you’re saying is that everyone is full of **** then? By your logic, when you really look at it, everything is made up. Everything that we’ve ever been taught was made up by someone else.
Yep. But the difference is some stuff is empirically demonstrable or logically provable and useful and some stuff, like religion, is just pure bullshyt.
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there are no judeo-christian values, thats a fake and jewish term
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Conserving gun rights is the big one.

Mr Atheist can you please explain why liberals think that "turn" in your guns" events are a good thing? What is the deal with those things?
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Conservatives are conserving traditional values not sure what kind of stupid question you are trying to ask.

Just because you make some mangled mental logic jumps on majority of republicans being Christians etc.. it doesn’t change or effect the object a conservative would be seeking to conserve.

Even ignoring some of your stupidist leaps of logic (like rambling off about trump supporters despite the fact the always trumpers are basically extremist fringe elements created in response to similarly positioned sheep on the left side of things)

I can’t help but question why you boil it down to hrr durr “what are you even conserving” again it’s traditional values and culture. You made no actual compelling arguments just regurgitated a bunch of nonsense. If anything you could attack how stupid it is for conservatives to push for economic growth and technological progress which inevitably leads to societal change, but the nonsense you wrote is garbage.
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
Identifying with political ideology is the same thing as LGBTQSOU&&@! identifying as [thing].


It is just made up nonsense that we get way to emotionally involved with because we value pointless BS.


same exact thing.


now scream how right your point of view is my little snowflakes.
My own view of organized religion has lightened considerably over time, taking a more understanding or empathetic stance. Life is hard and awful things happen to people. It's a lot more comforting and secure to believe that there's someone pulling the strings or that events have meaning. Makes you feel good to acquire certainty.

Having said that, organized religion as an institution is guilty of some of the worst atrocities across human history. Everyone knows this. It also brings out the worst in tribal-minded people that can't seem to comprehend that a religion, like christianity, is supposed to be an overarchingfaithand not apeople.

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Originally Posted By AccountingMajor⏩
Conserving gun rights is the big one.

Mr Atheist can you please explain why liberals think that "turn" in your guns" events are a good thing? What is the deal with those things?
Countries with stronger gun laws have far fewer gun deaths, the majority of which are suicides.
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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
Conservatives are conserving traditional values not sure what kind of stupid question you are trying to ask.

Just because you make some mangled mental logic jumps on majority of republicans being Christians etc.. it doesn’t change or effect the object a conservative would be seeking to conserve.

Even ignoring some of your stupidist leaps of logic (like rambling off about trump supporters despite the fact the always trumpers are basically extremist fringe elements created in response to similarly positioned sheep on the left side of things)

I can’t help but question why you boil it down to hrr durr “what are you even conserving” again it’s traditional values and culture. You made no actual compelling arguments just regurgitated a bunch of nonsense. If anything you could attack how stupid it is for conservatives to push for economic growth and technological progress which inevitably leads to societal change, but the nonsense you wrote is garbage.
Human sacrifice is a traditional value. So is slavery. Cannibalism is a traditional value. Rape is a traditional value.
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Originally Posted By NeoTheCatt⏩
Maybe some people believe in freedom and liberty ?

Why does it matter if that person is agnostic , a racial minority, gay , trans , etc if their overall political values align more with Republican candidates ?


You can believe in conserving freedom and the constitution without being a religious theocrat dude lmao

You literally sound like a black and white thinking extremist

The religious fundamentalists are just as Grifty and culty as the unhinged left
Supporting freedom and liberty isn’t exclusive to republicans, however.
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Originally Posted By Banderistan⏩
Human sacrifice is a traditional value. So is slavery. Cannibalism is a traditional value. Rape is a traditional value.
Dealing with people who want to make bad faith arguments to dictate the line of what’s traditional in a context similar to say an areas “colloquialisms” is exhausting. You know damn well what’s meant and just want to act like a 10 year old trying to win an argument. I already have a 8 and 6 year old.
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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
Dealing with people who want to make bad faith arguments to dictate the line of what’s traditional in a context similar to say an areas “colloquialisms” is exhausting. You know damn well what’s meant and just want to act like a 10 year old trying to win an argument. I already have a 8 and 6 year old.
Duckliver is definitely not trying to win an argument here though.
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Originally Posted By StrongAtheist⏩
So what you’re saying is that everyone is full of **** then? By your logic, when you really look at it, everything is made up. Everything that we’ve ever been taught was made up by someone else.
I mean, if you add all of that BS you just made up on top of my comment about playing identity politics, then yeah......
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