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Three WIV scientists named as patient(s) zero for Covid-19
Reporting by MICHAEL SHELLENBERGER, MATT TAIBBI, AND ALEX GUTENTAG
After years of official pronouncements to the contrary, significant new evidence has emerged that strengthens the case that the SARS-CoV-2 virus accidentally escaped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV).
According to multiple U.S. government officials interviewed as part of a lengthy investigation by Public and Racket, the first people infected by the virus, “patients zero,” included Ben Hu, a researcher who led the WIV’s “gain-of-function” research on SARS-like coronaviruses, which increases the infectiousness of viruses.
More than three years after the pandemic’s outbreak, many around the world had given up on learning the origin of SARS-CoV-2, the highly infectious respiratory virus that has killed millions, and the response to which shut down businesses and schools, upended societies, and caused enormous collateral damage.
Public officials in the U.S. and other countries have repeatedly suggested that uncovering the pandemic’s origin may not be possible. “We may never know,” said Anthony Fauci, the former director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, who oversaw pandemic response for two administrations.
Now, answers increasingly look within reach. Sources within the US government say that three of the earliest people to become infected with SARS-CoV-2 were Ben Hu, Yu Ping, and Yan Zhu. All were members of the Wuhan lab suspected to have leaked the pandemic virus.
As such, not only do we know there were WIV scientists who had developed COVID-19-like illnesses in November 2019, but also that they were working with the closest relatives of SARS-CoV-2, and inserting gain-of-function features unique to it.
When a source was asked how certain they were that these were the identities of the three WIV scientists who developed symptoms consistent with COVID-19 in the fall of 2019, we were told, “100%”
“Ben Hu is essentially the next Shi Zhengli,” said Alina Chan, a molecular biologist at the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard, and coauthor with Matt Ridley of Viral: The Search for the Origin of Covid19. Shi is known as “the bat woman of China,” and led the gain-of-function research at the WIV. “He was her star pupil. He had been making chimeric SARS-like viruses and testing these in humanized mice. If I had to guess who would be doing this risky virus research and most at risk of getting accidentally infected, it would be him.”
Hu and Yu researched the novel lineage of SARS-like viruses from which SARS-CoV-2 hails, and in 2019 coauthored a paper with Shi Zhengli that described SARS-like lineages they had studied over the years.
Jamie Metzl, a former member of the World Health Organization expert advisory committee on human genome editing who raised questions starting in early 2020 about a possible research-related pandemic origin, said, “It’s a game changer if it can be proven that Hu got sick with COVID-19 before anyone else. That would be the ‘smoking gun.’ Hu was the lead hands-on researcher in Shi’s lab.”
Sources tell Public and Racket that other news organizations are chasing aspects of this story.On Saturday, The Times of London quoted an anonymous U.S. State Department investigator saying, “It has become increasingly clear that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was involved in the creation, promulgation, and cover-up of the Covid-19 pandemic.”
Public and Racket are the first publications to reveal the names of the three sick WIV workers and place them directly in the lab that collected and experimented with SARS-like viruses poised for human emergence.
Next week, the Directorate of National Intelligence is expected to release previously classified material, which may include the names of the three WIV scientists who were the likely among the first to be sickened by SARS-CoV-2.
A bill signed by President Biden earlier this year specifically called for the release of the names and roles of the sick researchers at the WIV, their symptoms and date of symptom onset, and whether these researchers had been involved with or exposed to coronavirus research.
On Dec. 29, 2017, two years before the pandemic began, Chinese state-run television aired a video that includes a scene of Ben Hu watching a lab worker handle specimens. Neither are wearing protective gear. The same video shows WIV scientists hunting for bat viruses with little protective gear. “If they were worried about being infected in the field, they would need full body suits with no gaps” to be safe, said Chan. “That’s the only way.”
The WIV research with live SARS-like viruses was performed at too low of a safety level, “BSL-2,” explains Chan, “When we now know that the pandemic virus is even capable of escaping from a BSL-3 lab and infecting fully vaccinated young lab workers.”
While scientists justify such research as necessary for developing vaccines, President Barack Obama banned federal funding for gain-of-function research of concern in 2014, because experts had come to the consensus that it was too dangerous. However, the National Institute of Health and NIAID headed by Francis Collins and Fauci, and a major U.S. government grantee, EcoHealth Alliance, deemed their work on SARS-like viruses as not falling under the gain-of-function research of concern definitions and funded this project in China and Southeast Asia.
In March 2018, the WIV, the EcoHealth Alliance, and the University of North Carolina applied for a $14 million grant from the U.S. Defense Advanced Research Project Agency DARPA to engineer “furin cleavage sites” into SARS-like coronaviruses to study how this affected their ability to grow and cause disease.
Scientists say the key piece of the COVID-19 virus, which made it so transmissible compared to its closest relatives, was its unique furin cleavage site.
DARPA rejected the grant, but it now appears the WIV went forward with the research anyway.The Times of London reported that US collaborators of the WIV had come forward and said the Wuhan scientists had put furin cleavage sites into SARS-like viruses in 2019.
Hu co-authored multiple papers on coronavirus research, including a 2017 paper on chimeric bat coronaviruses with Peter Daszak, the head of EcoHealth Alliance, which was funded in part by the NIH and the USAID Emerging Pandemic Threats PREDICT Program. Data privately shared with the NIH revealed that these chimeric SARS-like viruses grew far more quickly and caused more severe disease in humanized mice in the lab.
When the WIV put out their first paper about the pandemic virus, they failed to point out the novel furin cleavage site despite having had plans to and allegedly putting such gain-of-function features into SARS-like viruses in their lab. “It’s as if these scientists proposed putting horns on horses, but when a unicorn shows up in their city a year later they write a paper describing every part of it except its horn,” said Chan.
Public sent emails and made phone calls to the NIH, WIV, EcoHealth Alliance, Daszak, Hu, and Shi over the last several days and did not hear back.
It is unclear who in the U.S. government had access to the intelligence about the sick WIV workers, how long they had it, and why it was not shared with the public. “You would expect the country of origin to be defensive,” said Chan, “but you wouldn’t expect a country receiving the virus to be withholding key evidence.”
On January 15, 2021, five days before President Joe Biden took office, the U.S. State Department published a fact sheet that pointed to the likelihood of a lab leak as the cause of a pandemic.
Already, the State Department in 2021 suspected that the WIV had lied to the public. “The U.S. government has reason to believe that several researchers inside the WIV became sick in autumn 2019, before the first identified case of the outbreak, with symptoms consistent with both COVID-19 and common seasonal illnesses. That raises questions about the credibility of WIV senior researcher Shi Zhengli’s public claim that there was ‘zero infection’ among the WIV’s staff and students by SARS-CoV-2 or SARS-related viruses.”
In February of this year, the Director of the FBI, Christopher Wray, told a reporter that “the FBI has for quite some time now assessed that the origins of the pandemic are most likely a potential lab incident in Wuhan.”
The Times of London reported that State Department investigators “found evidence that researchers working on these experiments were taken to hospital with Covid-like symptoms in November 2019.” As previously reported in Vanity Fair, some of the information State Department investigators found in 2021 was “sitting in the U.S. intelligence community’s own files, unanalyzed.”
“Ever since I put out my [May 2020] preprint [research paper] saying that an accidental lab origin was possible, I was criticized as a conspiracy theorist,” said Chan. “If this info had been made public in May of 2020, I doubt that many in the scientific community and the media would have spent the last three years raving about a raccoon dog or pangolin in a wet market.”
https://public.substack.com/p/first-...utm_medium=webAccording to multiple U.S. government officials interviewed as part of a lengthy investigation by Public and Racket, the first people infected by the virus, “patients zero,” included Ben Hu, a researcher who led the WIV’s “gain-of-function” research on SARS-like coronaviruses, which increases the infectiousness of viruses.
More than three years after the pandemic’s outbreak, many around the world had given up on learning the origin of SARS-CoV-2, the highly infectious respiratory virus that has killed millions, and the response to which shut down businesses and schools, upended societies, and caused enormous collateral damage.
Public officials in the U.S. and other countries have repeatedly suggested that uncovering the pandemic’s origin may not be possible. “We may never know,” said Anthony Fauci, the former director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, who oversaw pandemic response for two administrations.
Now, answers increasingly look within reach. Sources within the US government say that three of the earliest people to become infected with SARS-CoV-2 were Ben Hu, Yu Ping, and Yan Zhu. All were members of the Wuhan lab suspected to have leaked the pandemic virus.
As such, not only do we know there were WIV scientists who had developed COVID-19-like illnesses in November 2019, but also that they were working with the closest relatives of SARS-CoV-2, and inserting gain-of-function features unique to it.
When a source was asked how certain they were that these were the identities of the three WIV scientists who developed symptoms consistent with COVID-19 in the fall of 2019, we were told, “100%”
“Ben Hu is essentially the next Shi Zhengli,” said Alina Chan, a molecular biologist at the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard, and coauthor with Matt Ridley of Viral: The Search for the Origin of Covid19. Shi is known as “the bat woman of China,” and led the gain-of-function research at the WIV. “He was her star pupil. He had been making chimeric SARS-like viruses and testing these in humanized mice. If I had to guess who would be doing this risky virus research and most at risk of getting accidentally infected, it would be him.”
Hu and Yu researched the novel lineage of SARS-like viruses from which SARS-CoV-2 hails, and in 2019 coauthored a paper with Shi Zhengli that described SARS-like lineages they had studied over the years.
Jamie Metzl, a former member of the World Health Organization expert advisory committee on human genome editing who raised questions starting in early 2020 about a possible research-related pandemic origin, said, “It’s a game changer if it can be proven that Hu got sick with COVID-19 before anyone else. That would be the ‘smoking gun.’ Hu was the lead hands-on researcher in Shi’s lab.”
Sources tell Public and Racket that other news organizations are chasing aspects of this story.On Saturday, The Times of London quoted an anonymous U.S. State Department investigator saying, “It has become increasingly clear that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was involved in the creation, promulgation, and cover-up of the Covid-19 pandemic.”
Public and Racket are the first publications to reveal the names of the three sick WIV workers and place them directly in the lab that collected and experimented with SARS-like viruses poised for human emergence.
Next week, the Directorate of National Intelligence is expected to release previously classified material, which may include the names of the three WIV scientists who were the likely among the first to be sickened by SARS-CoV-2.
A bill signed by President Biden earlier this year specifically called for the release of the names and roles of the sick researchers at the WIV, their symptoms and date of symptom onset, and whether these researchers had been involved with or exposed to coronavirus research.
On Dec. 29, 2017, two years before the pandemic began, Chinese state-run television aired a video that includes a scene of Ben Hu watching a lab worker handle specimens. Neither are wearing protective gear. The same video shows WIV scientists hunting for bat viruses with little protective gear. “If they were worried about being infected in the field, they would need full body suits with no gaps” to be safe, said Chan. “That’s the only way.”
The WIV research with live SARS-like viruses was performed at too low of a safety level, “BSL-2,” explains Chan, “When we now know that the pandemic virus is even capable of escaping from a BSL-3 lab and infecting fully vaccinated young lab workers.”
While scientists justify such research as necessary for developing vaccines, President Barack Obama banned federal funding for gain-of-function research of concern in 2014, because experts had come to the consensus that it was too dangerous. However, the National Institute of Health and NIAID headed by Francis Collins and Fauci, and a major U.S. government grantee, EcoHealth Alliance, deemed their work on SARS-like viruses as not falling under the gain-of-function research of concern definitions and funded this project in China and Southeast Asia.
In March 2018, the WIV, the EcoHealth Alliance, and the University of North Carolina applied for a $14 million grant from the U.S. Defense Advanced Research Project Agency DARPA to engineer “furin cleavage sites” into SARS-like coronaviruses to study how this affected their ability to grow and cause disease.
Scientists say the key piece of the COVID-19 virus, which made it so transmissible compared to its closest relatives, was its unique furin cleavage site.
DARPA rejected the grant, but it now appears the WIV went forward with the research anyway.The Times of London reported that US collaborators of the WIV had come forward and said the Wuhan scientists had put furin cleavage sites into SARS-like viruses in 2019.
Hu co-authored multiple papers on coronavirus research, including a 2017 paper on chimeric bat coronaviruses with Peter Daszak, the head of EcoHealth Alliance, which was funded in part by the NIH and the USAID Emerging Pandemic Threats PREDICT Program. Data privately shared with the NIH revealed that these chimeric SARS-like viruses grew far more quickly and caused more severe disease in humanized mice in the lab.
When the WIV put out their first paper about the pandemic virus, they failed to point out the novel furin cleavage site despite having had plans to and allegedly putting such gain-of-function features into SARS-like viruses in their lab. “It’s as if these scientists proposed putting horns on horses, but when a unicorn shows up in their city a year later they write a paper describing every part of it except its horn,” said Chan.
Public sent emails and made phone calls to the NIH, WIV, EcoHealth Alliance, Daszak, Hu, and Shi over the last several days and did not hear back.
It is unclear who in the U.S. government had access to the intelligence about the sick WIV workers, how long they had it, and why it was not shared with the public. “You would expect the country of origin to be defensive,” said Chan, “but you wouldn’t expect a country receiving the virus to be withholding key evidence.”
On January 15, 2021, five days before President Joe Biden took office, the U.S. State Department published a fact sheet that pointed to the likelihood of a lab leak as the cause of a pandemic.
Already, the State Department in 2021 suspected that the WIV had lied to the public. “The U.S. government has reason to believe that several researchers inside the WIV became sick in autumn 2019, before the first identified case of the outbreak, with symptoms consistent with both COVID-19 and common seasonal illnesses. That raises questions about the credibility of WIV senior researcher Shi Zhengli’s public claim that there was ‘zero infection’ among the WIV’s staff and students by SARS-CoV-2 or SARS-related viruses.”
In February of this year, the Director of the FBI, Christopher Wray, told a reporter that “the FBI has for quite some time now assessed that the origins of the pandemic are most likely a potential lab incident in Wuhan.”
The Times of London reported that State Department investigators “found evidence that researchers working on these experiments were taken to hospital with Covid-like symptoms in November 2019.” As previously reported in Vanity Fair, some of the information State Department investigators found in 2021 was “sitting in the U.S. intelligence community’s own files, unanalyzed.”
“Ever since I put out my [May 2020] preprint [research paper] saying that an accidental lab origin was possible, I was criticized as a conspiracy theorist,” said Chan. “If this info had been made public in May of 2020, I doubt that many in the scientific community and the media would have spent the last three years raving about a raccoon dog or pangolin in a wet market.”
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The Times of London UK article that says that WIV was secretly inserting Furin Cleavage Sites into SARS-like viruses in 2019 and that WIV scientists were taken to the hospital in November 2019 with Covid-like symptoms:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/i...rica-qhjwwwvm0
Here is the archived version:
https://archive.ph/x4J9H
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/i...rica-qhjwwwvm0
Here is the archived version:
https://archive.ph/x4J9H
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why would the us govt lie to us?
they were totally honest about
-Stalin and Mao LiTeRaLLy worse than hitler!!!
-coup in Iran for oil
-coups and backing fascists and drug lords in South America all to keep fruit, coffee, and sugar prices down for Americans
-assassinating Lumumba and backing fascists in Africa for similar reasons
-Israel's imperialism and their ViCtImhOoD of TeRrOrIsM.
-Bombing the everliving chit out of Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia
-Iraqis killing babies in the coached Nayirah testimony for Gulf War
-Afghanistan "harboring" terrorists and Taliban being involved in 9/11 attacks (they weren't)
-Iraq having WMD
-Assad gassing his own people
-Gaddafi viagra rape armies
-Putin viagra rape armies
-Putin uNpRoVoKeD invasion
-no nazis in Ukraine nope none at all no sir
-Chinese GeNoCiDe with internment camps better than the ones we had in WW2 for Japanese and with a lower death rate lmfao
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
low IQ post.
they were totally honest about
-Stalin and Mao LiTeRaLLy worse than hitler!!!
-coup in Iran for oil
-coups and backing fascists and drug lords in South America all to keep fruit, coffee, and sugar prices down for Americans
-assassinating Lumumba and backing fascists in Africa for similar reasons
-Israel's imperialism and their ViCtImhOoD of TeRrOrIsM.
-Bombing the everliving chit out of Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia
-Iraqis killing babies in the coached Nayirah testimony for Gulf War
-Afghanistan "harboring" terrorists and Taliban being involved in 9/11 attacks (they weren't)
-Iraq having WMD
-Assad gassing his own people
-Gaddafi viagra rape armies
-Putin viagra rape armies
-Putin uNpRoVoKeD invasion
-no nazis in Ukraine nope none at all no sir
-Chinese GeNoCiDe with internment camps better than the ones we had in WW2 for Japanese and with a lower death rate lmfao
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
low IQ post.
06-13-2023, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
Scientific research and consensus != Fauci. Also, Fauci isn't from the State Dept or DOD. He's never organized any wars or coups.And yet you believe Fauci.
10/10 cognitive dissonance.
10/10 cognitive dissonance.
Dipchit Russians lmfao. Good try tho.
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[QUOTE=MiscIQ post_id=1684559933]why would the us govt lie to us?
they were totally honest about
-Stalin and Mao LiTeRaLLy worse than hitler!!!
-coup in Iran for oil
-coups and backing fascists and drug lords in South America all to keep fruit, coffee, and sugar prices down for Americans
-assassinating Lumumba and backing fascists in Africa for similar reasons
-Israel's imperialism and their ViCtImhOoD of TeRrOrIsM.
-Bombing the everliving chit out of Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia
-Iraqis killing babies in the coached Nayirah testimony for Gulf War
-Afghanistan "harboring" terrorists and Taliban being involved in 9/11 attacks (they weren't)
-Iraq having WMD
-Assad gassing his own people
-Gaddafi viagra rape armies
-Putin viagra rape armies
-Putin uNpRoVoKeD invasion
-no nazis in Ukraine nope none at all no sir
-Chinese GeNoCiDe with internment camps better than the ones we had in WW2 for Japanese and with a lower death mg]
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
[B][SIZE=72]DEZE]
low IQ post.[/QUOTE]Stalin and Mao were literally worse than Hitler tho
they were totally honest about
-Stalin and Mao LiTeRaLLy worse than hitler!!!
-coup in Iran for oil
-coups and backing fascists and drug lords in South America all to keep fruit, coffee, and sugar prices down for Americans
-assassinating Lumumba and backing fascists in Africa for similar reasons
-Israel's imperialism and their ViCtImhOoD of TeRrOrIsM.
-Bombing the everliving chit out of Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia
-Iraqis killing babies in the coached Nayirah testimony for Gulf War
-Afghanistan "harboring" terrorists and Taliban being involved in 9/11 attacks (they weren't)
-Iraq having WMD
-Assad gassing his own people
-Gaddafi viagra rape armies
-Putin viagra rape armies
-Putin uNpRoVoKeD invasion
-no nazis in Ukraine nope none at all no sir
-Chinese GeNoCiDe with internment camps better than the ones we had in WW2 for Japanese and with a lower death mg]
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
[B][SIZE=72]DEZE]
low IQ post.[/QUOTE]Stalin and Mao were literally worse than Hitler tho
06-13-2023, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted By AlwaysFocus⏩
Because The Black Book of Communism or Gulag Archipelago said so?Stalin and Mao were literally worse than Hitler tho
He killed 70 gorillion people and ate all the grain with his giant spoon guys.
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Originally Posted By AlwaysFocus⏩
Bin Laden was a terrorist and literally was harbored by the Taliban.Stalin and Mao were literally worse than Hitler tho
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[QUOTE=MiscIQ post_id=1684559933]why would the us govt lie to us?
they were totally honest about
-Stalin and Mao LiTeRaLLy worse than hitler!!!
-coup in Iran for oil
-coups and backing fascists and drug lords in South America all to keep fruit, coffee, and sugar prices down for Americans
-assassinating Lumumba and backing fascists in Africa for similar reasons
-Israel's imperialism and their ViCtImhOoD of TeRrOrIsM.
-Bombing the everliving chit out of Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia
-Iraqis killing babies in the coached Nayirah testimony for Gulf War
-Afghanistan "harboring" terrorists and Taliban being involved in 9/11 attacks (they weren't)
-Iraq having WMD
-Assad gassing his own people
-Gaddafi viagra rape armies
-Putin viagra rape armies
-Putin uNpRoVoKeD invasion
-no nazis in Ukraine nope none at all no sir
-Chinese GeNoCiDe with internment camps better than the ones we had in WW2 for Japanese and with a lower death rate lmfao
g]https://media.tenor.com/Po2CH014YrkAAAAM/taylor-swift-loser.gif[/img][img]https://media.tenor.com/Po2CH014YrkAAAAM/taylor-swift-loser.gif[/img]
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
[b][size=72]DEATH TO AMERICA[/size][/b]
low IQ post.[/QUOTE]
You forgot about the banana war
CIA bringing in drugs from South America and distributing to the hoods
Overthrowing the Ukrainian government in 2013
US GOVERMENT DOES NOT LIE
they were totally honest about
-Stalin and Mao LiTeRaLLy worse than hitler!!!
-coup in Iran for oil
-coups and backing fascists and drug lords in South America all to keep fruit, coffee, and sugar prices down for Americans
-assassinating Lumumba and backing fascists in Africa for similar reasons
-Israel's imperialism and their ViCtImhOoD of TeRrOrIsM.
-Bombing the everliving chit out of Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia
-Iraqis killing babies in the coached Nayirah testimony for Gulf War
-Afghanistan "harboring" terrorists and Taliban being involved in 9/11 attacks (they weren't)
-Iraq having WMD
-Assad gassing his own people
-Gaddafi viagra rape armies
-Putin viagra rape armies
-Putin uNpRoVoKeD invasion
-no nazis in Ukraine nope none at all no sir
-Chinese GeNoCiDe with internment camps better than the ones we had in WW2 for Japanese and with a lower death rate lmfao
g]https://media.tenor.com/Po2CH014YrkAAAAM/taylor-swift-loser.gif[/img][img]https://media.tenor.com/Po2CH014YrkAAAAM/taylor-swift-loser.gif[/img]
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
[b][size=72]DEATH TO AMERICA[/size][/b]
low IQ post.[/QUOTE]
You forgot about the banana war
CIA bringing in drugs from South America and distributing to the hoods
Overthrowing the Ukrainian government in 2013
US GOVERMENT DOES NOT LIE
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06-13-2023, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted By DedRussian⏩
Harbored? Do we harbor the KKK? Omar offered to turn him over. And go read Bin Laden's declaration of causes and tell me he is wrong about America's and Israel's crimes against the Islamic world.Bin Laden was a terrorist and literally was harbored by the Taliban.
There was no excuse for invading a country of 20 million over the 200 or so terrorists who were there when their own government offered to turn him over or try him provided we give evidence (of which we had zilch).
Our own intel agencies were complicit or incompetent. And our foreign policy brought about 9/11.
Afghanistan does, however, allow us to surround Iran and also threaten China. Take from that what you will. Also Omar banned Opium, and it was restored within the year. Curious.
If you want to see other cases of Angloids desperate for Opium starting wars, check out the Opium Wars.
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Originally Posted By MiscIQ⏩
You don’t seem to be taking this news wellScientific research and consensus != Fauci. Also, Fauci isn't from the State Dept or DOD. He's never organized any wars or coups.
Dipchit Russians lmfao. Good try tho.
Dipchit Russians lmfao. Good try tho.
06-13-2023, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted By ezmac31⏩
It's fake news and part of the CIA's plot to demonize China in gearing us up for yet another proxy war in Taiwan, which we will provoke. We will then label Xi a tyrant and villain when he responds. Exactly like Ukraine.You don’t seem to be taking this news well
Almost everything the US government tells its people about foreign nations is either a total fabrication or a highly spun distortion. Demand the strictest evidence for anything they tell you.
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Originally Posted By MiscIQ⏩
You shook af cuzWhy? Your thread is about bs US propaganda. So we are talking about that.
I created a new thread for you, I even rated it 5 stars because I'm a nice guy
https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...hp?t=183651463
06-13-2023, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
You don't seem to grasp the possibility this is just anti-China rhetoric being used to fuel the next big proxy war.You shook af cuz
I created a new thread for you, I even rated it 5 stars because I'm a nice guy
https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...hp?t=183651463
I created a new thread for you, I even rated it 5 stars because I'm a nice guy
https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...hp?t=183651463
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Originally Posted By MiscIQ⏩
or it means the vid came from the fuking lab there you absolute moron like weve been saying for yearsYou don't seem to grasp the possibility this is just anti-China rhetoric being used to fuel the next big proxy war.
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06-13-2023, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted By ~Hades~⏩
Whoa a vid of some researchers doing research!or the vid came from the fuking lab there you absolute moron
WOW U CONVINCED ME LET'S NUKE CHINA.
Fking legit wish Xi would make some bioweapons and kill as many Angloids as possible. Fking idiots.
06-13-2023, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted By MiscIQ⏩
I agree with you, relations are continuing to deteriorate and Washington needs a distraction from its corruption.You don't seem to grasp the possibility this is just anti-China rhetoric being used to fuel the next big proxy war.
The Era of Great Noticing has begun.
Modern liberalism is morally bankrupt and demonic.
Right wing politics is the new counter-culture.
Wincel: "I'm saying even the govt of China, while brutal at times, is NOT our enemy. Period."
Has Beowulf10 ever experienced true love? Where did he go?
Education is humanity's key to salvation.
The 2nd Cold War has begun.
06-13-2023, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted By MiscIQ⏩
coVID you doltWhoa a vid of some researchers doing research!
WOW U CONVINCED ME LET'S NUKE CHINA.
Fking legit wish Xi would make some bioweapons and kill as many Angloids as possible. Fking idiots.
WOW U CONVINCED ME LET'S NUKE CHINA.
Fking legit wish Xi would make some bioweapons and kill as many Angloids as possible. Fking idiots.
and no said nuke china
fuk youre stupid
Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
lol perfect. never seen someone embarrass themselves so much^This.
Wincel should name his next alt LowIQ
Wincel should name his next alt LowIQ
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06-13-2023, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted By XterraRob⏩
They are going to make everyone poor and get tons of people killed with this chit.I agree with you, relations are continuing to deteriorate and Washington needs a distraction from its corruption.
I've always said, regardless of whether it was or wasn't a lab leak, do we really think after the consequences the CCP had to face in China and the enormous cost to China that Xi isn't already dealing with the issue? If it had anything to do with manmade manipulation, the people responsible are already dead. This is just rhetoric designed to amp people up. They don't even release any real evidence. It's always some guy saying he knows because "Trust me bro. I'm with the government." Just lmao.
06-13-2023, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted By MiscIQ⏩
They abuse that to push the unjust persecution of Trump.They are going to make everyone poor and get tons of people killed with this chit.
I've always said, regardless of whether it was or wasn't a lab leak, do we really think after the consequences the CCP had to face in China and the enormous cost to China that Xi isn't already dealing with the issue? If it had anything to do with manmade manipulation, the people responsible are already dead. This is just rhetoric designed to amp people up. They don't even release any real evidence. It's always some guy saying he knows because"Trust me bro. I'm with the government." Just lmao.
I've always said, regardless of whether it was or wasn't a lab leak, do we really think after the consequences the CCP had to face in China and the enormous cost to China that Xi isn't already dealing with the issue? If it had anything to do with manmade manipulation, the people responsible are already dead. This is just rhetoric designed to amp people up. They don't even release any real evidence. It's always some guy saying he knows because"Trust me bro. I'm with the government." Just lmao.
They abused it with their perspective framing with Ukraine and Russia.
They will abuse it to build up anti-China sentiment as well. The US government sold themselves out and are now getting more panicky about the hole they dug for themselves. I have no sympathy for the politicians that got us here but we will all suffer for their greed.
Personally, I wish Putin would steamroll the European banks. Let them clear out that corruption and we'll clear things out here.
The Era of Great Noticing has begun.
Modern liberalism is morally bankrupt and demonic.
Right wing politics is the new counter-culture.
Wincel: "I'm saying even the govt of China, while brutal at times, is NOT our enemy. Period."
Has Beowulf10 ever experienced true love? Where did he go?
Education is humanity's key to salvation.
The 2nd Cold War has begun.
06-13-2023, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted By ~Hades~⏩
If your only evidence is a video of people doing research in a BSL2 lab without PPE, you should look at US research facilities which have often done the exact same thing. In fact, we've even had to shut down BSL4 labs for leaks. Something about glass houses and stones, you absolute fuking retard. TRuE PaTRiOt! MURICAAAA!coVID you dolt
and no said nuke china
fuk youre stupid
lol perfect. never seen someone embarrass themselves so much
and no said nuke china
fuk youre stupid
lol perfect. never seen someone embarrass themselves so much
And none of that proves the virus came from WIV.
06-13-2023, 04:25 PM
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It’s a good day when you get to make yet another Wincel alt red. The mental breakdowns are getting worse and worse as it becomes more and more apparent they were wrong about pretty much everything for the last three years. Pretty much all mental capacity is dedicated to maintaining cognitive dissonance and trolling.
Also mind blown that I just now realized his original name is really Wince L
I am interested to see bodhy step on the mat to perform his mental gymnastics routine in this thread though.
Also mind blown that I just now realized his original name is really Wince L
I am interested to see bodhy step on the mat to perform his mental gymnastics routine in this thread though.
06-13-2023, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted By XterraRob⏩
If they cared about Taiwan, they would just wait and preserve the status quo. Taiwan is very secure. And we have their back. Provoking a proxy war now will lead to the same outcome as Ukraine. Ukraine is not free and now is at risk of losing its status as a state.They abuse that to push the unjust persecution of Trump.
They abused it with their perspective framing with Ukraine and Russia.
They will abuse it to build up anti-China sentiment as well. The US government sold themselves out and are now getting more panicky about the hole they dug for themselves. I have no sympathy for the politicians that got us here but we will all suffer for their greed.
They abused it with their perspective framing with Ukraine and Russia.
They will abuse it to build up anti-China sentiment as well. The US government sold themselves out and are now getting more panicky about the hole they dug for themselves. I have no sympathy for the politicians that got us here but we will all suffer for their greed.
Our govt will use the people of Taiwan as sacrificial lambs to "contain" China just like they are doing in Ukraine with Russia.
We really need the swamp drained. They are going to literally kill everyone. If we want safer research practices and international collaboration and standards, we need to be working together and talking to each other, not using the blame game and screeching.
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