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post 1684646673 06-15-2023, 12:07 AM
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Investigative Reporter; Indictment doesn’t add up (Proof)

FBI claims they seized “102 documents” from Trump’s Mara-largo home, but yet, all of that can fit in to one box. So what are the photos? Why were they included in the indictment?

It’s subterfuge meant to influence the jurors. We have no idea what’s in those boxes, but the math literally doesn’t add up.

Inb4 liberals are good at math. Lulz How many lefties here claimed to have read the documents, but completely missed these details because they were so hung up on all of the other BS they threw in to the indictment? Oof You’ve been fooled by yet another hoax.

Second, they forced Trump’s lawyers to talk about private conversations, which were privileged and therefore obtained illegally.

How many times can you fool a libtard because they are too emotional to think logically? This entire thing was done illegally, like every other attack on Trump. Espionage? Puhlease. Obama and Hillary are guilty of that, so they had to come up with an espionage charge to deflect.

The purpise of this is to interfere with the next election, but later we will find out it was another hoax, and by that time, it will be too late and liberals will just say “Oh well, time to move on”, while the extremists win. Good job

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Originally Posted By Kraken
FBI claims they seized “102 documents” from Trump’s Mara-largo home, but yet, all of that can fit in to one box. So what are the photos? Why were they included in the indictment?

It’s subterfuge meant to influence the jurors. We have no idea what’s in those boxes, but the math literally doesn’t add up.
A document can be many pages long....
Originally Posted By Kraken
Second, they forced Trump’s lawyers to talk about private conversations, which were privileged and therefore obtained illegally.
I assume you're talking about the crime-fraud exception to the attorney client privilege.

Long standing precedent for this one.
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Sounds like dishonesty from the corporate media and the Democrats. Didn't know the photo of boxes was fake and only around 100 pages were found.
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Originally Posted By Kraken
Second, they forced Trump’s lawyers to talk about private conversations, which were privileged and therefore obtained illegally.
Please explain how this is illegal.


Four judges approved of the crime-fraud exception to privilege. After the first judge approved it Trump's team appealed the district decision to the circuit court, and a 3 judge panel unanimously rejected his appeal. Trump chose not to appeal further.

The crime-fraud exception has a lengthy history in case law. It's not like it was dreamed up by Jack Smith and foisted on Trump by Judge Howell.
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Originally Posted By Weightaholic
A document can be many pages long....



I assume you're talking about the crime-fraud exception to the attorney client privilege.

Long standing precedent for this one.
so long a few take up a whole file box?

you can't be this dumb.
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Originally Posted By Kraken
FBI claims they seized “102 documents” from Trump’s Mara-largo home, but yet, all of that can fit in to one box. So what are the photos? Why were they included in the indictment?

It’s subterfuge meant to influence the jurors. We have no idea what’s in those boxes, but the math literally doesn’t add up.

Inb4 liberals are good at math. Lulz How many lefties here claimed to have read the documents, but completely missed these details because they were so hung up on all of the other BS they threw in to the indictment? Oof You’ve been fooled by yet another hoax.

Second, they forced Trump’s lawyers to talk about private conversations, which were privileged and therefore obtained illegally.

How many times can you fool a libtard because they are too emotional to think logically? This entire thing was done illegally, like every other attack on Trump. Espionage? Puhlease. Obama and Hillary are guilty of that, so they had to come up with an espionage charge to deflect.

The purpise of this is to interfere with the next election, but later we will find out it was another hoax, and by that time, it will be too late and liberals will just say “Oh well, time to move on”, while the extremists win. Good job

I believe 102 documents were top secret/secret/confidential en like 12k were documents without classification markings. Also documents can be longer than one page.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttoo...bc431/full.pdf

Like wtf Kraken, do your research. I'd almost think you refuse to check facts and you choose to believe bs so yo ucan shet your pants raging. You're defending a guy based upon youtube vids and articles made/written by retards. Check the fukking facts.
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Dershowitz: A Trump Indictment Would Be Blatant Election Interference

Attorney and Harvard professor Alan Dershowitz told One America News an indictment of former President Donald Trump would be a clear form of election interference.

“I have absolutely no doubt we’re seeing special justice for Donald Trump, an attempt to get Trump, an attempt to take the vote away from the voters and put it in the hands of Justice Department officials, jurors, lawyers, and judges,” said Dershowitz, the author of “Get Trump.”

Reports indicate federal prosecutors have informed Trump’s legal team that the 45th president has been labeled a target in the investigation of his handling of classified materials.

“When you get the letter that you’re a target, it means you’re indicted,” Dershowtiz said. “Basically, it means unless you can persuade prosecutors that they have missed something or something’s wrong or something new develops, you will be indicted.”

The 45th president denied having been served this letter

Federal prosecutors indicated that obstruction of justice could be a charge levied at Trump in a possible indictment. But Dershowitz argued that “people confuse obstruction of justice with unlawful obstruction of justice.”

“Criminal defense lawyers obstruct justice every day,” said Dershowitz. “Lawfully, we plead the Fifth Amendment. We try to get evidence suppressed based on the Fourth Amendment. We cross-examine witnesses effectively. We invoke statutes and limitations. We do everything we can to obstruct the prosecution from bringing its case to court. But that’s all lawful. That’s constitutionally protected.”

“To cross the line into criminal behavior, you have to show a corrupt motive,” continued Dershowitz. “You have to show destruction of evidence, tampering with witnesses, things of that kind. I have seen no evidence of any of that.”

Dershowitz says the line between constitutional and unconstitutional obstruction often gets blurred.

“In my view, [obstruction of justice] has to be deliberate and willful based on a corrupt intent,” said Dershowitz. “And that’s not so easy for the government to prove, because the government doesn’t have any tools to get into the mind of defendants. They have to use circumstantial evidence.”

President Joe Biden is also facing an investigation from special counsel Robert Hur regarding his handling of classified materials. Trump critics often argue that Biden’s situation differs from Trump’s because the 46th president’s legal team immediately cooperated with the government. Dershowitz took a sledgehammer to this argument.

“That’s the best argument for Trump,” Dershowitz explained. “You get no points for cooperating, and you lose no points for not cooperating. For 60 years I have not cooperated with the government. When I think it’s in the interest of my client to cooperate to get a better deal, I do it. But my job is not to make the government’s job easy. My job is to make the government’s job very difficult.”

The “Get Trump” author also argued an indictment over Trump’s handling of classified materials would not be strong. Trump has argued that he has absolute authority to declassify.

“The question is: does he have to do anything,” Dershowitz asked. “Does he have to make some kind of a blessing over the papers and say, I hereby declare you unclassified. Is it enough if he does it in his mind, does he need witnesses?”

It all boils down to who has the burden of proof, according to the Harvard University professor.

“Who has the burden of proof,” Dershowitz said. “If the government has to prove that [Trump] didn’t declassify, they lose. If [Trump] has to prove that he did declassify, it will be harder for him to prevail.”

Dershowitz argues the question of burden should not be difficult to answer.

“I have no doubt that the government should have the burden of approving every element of the crime,” argued Dershowitz. “And one element of the crime is that the material remains classified. If it’s declassified, there’s no statutory violation. I think the government clearly should have the burden of proving that.”

Circumstantial evidence could change the equation, according to Dershowitz. But he says there is no law requiring Trump to have announced or recorded that he was declassifying a document.

“There’s circumstantial evidence,” Dershowitz explained. “If he never said to anybody that he declassified, or there’s a rumor that there’s some kind of a tape out there where he says, I have this material which is classified, you can use circumstantial evidence to either prove he declassified or prove he didn’t declassify. But it will depend on who has the burden because whoever has the burden will have a very, very hard time meeting it.”

Dershowitz agreed with the 45th president, saying an indictment would be yet another form of election interference at the end of the day.

“I have an absolute, constitutional right to vote against Trump for the third time,” said Dershowitz. “And I don’t want anybody to deny me that right by indicting him falsely.”
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Originally Posted By Weightaholic
A document can be many pages long....



I assume you're talking about the crime-fraud exception to the attorney client privilege.

Long standing precedent for this one.
This. The pictures were there to show the carelessness and lack of security related to how the stolen documents were store.
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Originally Posted By ParsleyTea
Sounds like dishonesty from the corporate media and the Democrats. Didn't know the photo of boxes was fake and only around 100 pages were found.
Photos were fake? So Trump's co-defendant faked them when he sent them to Trump?
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Second, they forced Trump’s lawyers to talk about private conversations, which were privileged and therefore obtained illegally.
Actually, they got a judge to waive attorney-client privilege, arguing crime/fraud exception. That they got a judge to waive attorney-client privilege was seen as a sign that the DOJ had a ton of evidence and a good case.
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Originally Posted By QuentinSutpen
Actually, they got a judge to waive attorney-client privilege, arguing crime/fraud exception. That they got a judge to waive attorney-client privilege was seen as a sign that the DOJ had a ton of evidence and a good case.
As I posted upthread, it was ultimately 4 judges who okayed this and Trump didn't take his appeals any further than the circuit court. He could have done so but chose not to. So much for this being illegal ... the investigative reporter in video is clearly uninformed
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Originally Posted By Stizzel
Dershowitz: A Trump Indictment Would Be Blatant Election Interference

Attorney and Harvard professor Alan Dershowitz told One America News an indictment of former President Donald Trump would be a clear form of election interference.

“I have absolutely no doubt we’re seeing special justice for Donald Trump, an attempt to get Trump, an attempt to take the vote away from the voters and put it in the hands of Justice Department officials, jurors, lawyers, and judges,” said Dershowitz, the author of “Get Trump.”

Reports indicate federal prosecutors have informed Trump’s legal team that the 45th president has been labeled a target in the investigation of his handling of classified materials.

“When you get the letter that you’re a target, it means you’re indicted,” Dershowtiz said. “Basically, it means unless you can persuade prosecutors that they have missed something or something’s wrong or something new develops, you will be indicted.”

The 45th president denied having been served this letter

Federal prosecutors indicated that obstruction of justice could be a charge levied at Trump in a possible indictment. But Dershowitz argued that “people confuse obstruction of justice with unlawful obstruction of justice.”

“Criminal defense lawyers obstruct justice every day,” said Dershowitz. “Lawfully, we plead the Fifth Amendment. We try to get evidence suppressed based on the Fourth Amendment. We cross-examine witnesses effectively. We invoke statutes and limitations. We do everything we can to obstruct the prosecution from bringing its case to court. But that’s all lawful. That’s constitutionally protected.”

“To cross the line into criminal behavior, you have to show a corrupt motive,” continued Dershowitz. “You have to show destruction of evidence, tampering with witnesses, things of that kind. I have seen no evidence of any of that.”

Dershowitz says the line between constitutional and unconstitutional obstruction often gets blurred.

“In my view, [obstruction of justice] has to be deliberate and willful based on a corrupt intent,” said Dershowitz. “And that’s not so easy for the government to prove, because the government doesn’t have any tools to get into the mind of defendants. They have to use circumstantial evidence.”

President Joe Biden is also facing an investigation from special counsel Robert Hur regarding his handling of classified materials. Trump critics often argue that Biden’s situation differs from Trump’s because the 46th president’s legal team immediately cooperated with the government. Dershowitz took a sledgehammer to this argument.

“That’s the best argument for Trump,” Dershowitz explained. “You get no points for cooperating, and you lose no points for not cooperating. For 60 years I have not cooperated with the government. When I think it’s in the interest of my client to cooperate to get a better deal, I do it. But my job is not to make the government’s job easy. My job is to make the government’s job very difficult.”

The “Get Trump” author also argued an indictment over Trump’s handling of classified materials would not be strong. Trump has argued that he has absolute authority to declassify.

“The question is: does he have to do anything,” Dershowitz asked. “Does he have to make some kind of a blessing over the papers and say, I hereby declare you unclassified. Is it enough if he does it in his mind, does he need witnesses?”

It all boils down to who has the burden of proof, according to the Harvard University professor.

“Who has the burden of proof,” Dershowitz said. “If the government has to prove that [Trump] didn’t declassify, they lose. If [Trump] has to prove that he did declassify, it will be harder for him to prevail.”

Dershowitz argues the question of burden should not be difficult to answer.

“I have no doubt that the government should have the burden of approving every element of the crime,” argued Dershowitz. “And one element of the crime is that the material remains classified. If it’s declassified, there’s no statutory violation. I think the government clearly should have the burden of proving that.”

Circumstantial evidence could change the equation, according to Dershowitz. But he says there is no law requiring Trump to have announced or recorded that he was declassifying a document.

“There’s circumstantial evidence,” Dershowitz explained. “If he never said to anybody that he declassified, or there’s a rumor that there’s some kind of a tape out there where he says, I have this material which is classified, you can use circumstantial evidence to either prove he declassified or prove he didn’t declassify. But it will depend on who has the burden because whoever has the burden will have a very, very hard time meeting it.”

Dershowitz agreed with the 45th president, saying an indictment would be yet another form of election interference at the end of the day.

“I have an absolute, constitutional right to vote against Trump for the third time,” said Dershowitz. “And I don’t want anybody to deny me that right by indicting him falsely.”
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Originally Posted By NitrogenWidget
so long a few take up a whole file box?

you can't be this dumb.
I like how you try to insult the intelligence of people who have read a document of multiple pages.
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Originally Posted By NitrogenWidget
so long a few take up a whole file box?

you can't be this dumb.
How many pages do you think the maximum length of a single document can be?
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when will you magadon retards realize it doesnt matter? the communists DO NOT CARE.


you all fking fail to see this. theyve been cucking you since 2017.
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Originally Posted By ColdandChilly
Trump's buddy and Epstein attorney
Why would someone that intends to knowingly vote for a child molester care about Epstein?
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ITT : braindead retards either bolt out of here after realizing 12k docs were seized and the were unable to read basic information/think logically.

Or they're here like Stizzel deflecting and projecting, never getting the point.

It's very easy : You're retarded believing another retard only 102 docs were seized while every document states otherwise.
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Originally Posted By Midgetkiller
ITT : braindead retards either bolt out of here after realizing 12k docs were seized and the were unable to read basic information/think logically.

Or they're here like Stizzel deflecting and projecting, never getting the point.

It's very easy : You're retarded believing another retard only 102 docs were seized while every document states otherwise.
During the execution of the warrant at The Mar-a-Lago Club, the FBI seized 102 documents with classification markings in Trump’s office and the Storage Room
Ok?
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Originally Posted By Kraken
Ok?
"WITH CLASSIFICATION MARKINGS"

So the other 12k documents were other government/misc documents. AKA without the classified markings. Read the fukking indictments, subpoenas and so on and so on.

I posted it earlier too :https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttoo...bc431/full.pdf

Read the inventory. What does it say? How many boxes?

It's very difficult to take you seriously this way. This means you can't read and/or are a gullible retard ready to believe any 'alternative reality' that fits your retarded little view in the light of Trump. Absolutely pathetic for a grown man. You refuse to use your brain. Refuse to think for yourself. There is no critical thinking whatsoever. And you spread this retarded misinformation to others as well.

You're even saying this shet about 'fooling libtards' whilst you CAN'T READ AND INTERPRET THREE CONSECUTIVE WORDS CORRECTLY WTF.

Do better.
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Originally Posted By Weightaholic
How many pages do you think the maximum length of a single document can be?
Go easy on Gilligan. He's just a simple, hick rube who's most arduous reading in life is a recipe for boiling eggs.

He has no idea how complex the actual world can be. Why else would he be a cultist?
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Originally Posted By Stizzel
Why would someone that intends to knowingly vote for a child molester care about Epstein?
We ain't voting for Trump boyo. You know the guys who shared a similar taste in girls as Epstein and was his good buddy for a long time? The guy who loved to walk in on teen beauty paegent girls getting dressed?

Yea, would never vote for that ****.
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Originally Posted By Midgetkiller
"WITH CLASSIFICATION MARKINGS"

So the other 12k documents were other government/misc documents. AKA without the classified markings. Read the fukking indictments, subpoenas and so on and so on.

I posted it earlier too :https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttoo...bc431/full.pdf

Read the inventory. What does it say? How many boxes?

It's very difficult to take you seriously this way. This means you can't read and/or are a gullible retard ready to believe any 'alternative reality' that fits your retarded little view in the light of Trump. Absolutely pathetic for a grown man. You refuse to use your brain. Refuse to think for yourself. There is no critical thinking whatsoever. And you spread this retarded misinformation to others as well.

You're even saying this shet about 'fooling libtards' whilst you CAN'T READ AND INTERPRET THREE CONSECUTIVE WORDS CORRECTLY WTF.

Do better.
So this isn't about classified documents. Now you're getting it, maybe...
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post 1684725233 06-16-2023, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted By newtothesite
I heard that supplies of copium are running low. What are MAGA groomers gonna do if production isn’t increased.
Who are really the ones that are coping?

One side has been strung along for 7 years and constantly buys into every manufactured scandal that they can come up with (including this one).

The other has been sitting back, having a good time, and laughing at the track record and lack of retrospection of Never Trumpers.




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post 1684725893 06-16-2023, 08:43 AM
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Every declassified document on the foia website is also marked classified. I guess resident libtards think if you print them out you're storing classified documents
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post 1684726593 06-16-2023, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted By Weightaholic
How many pages do you think the maximum length of a single document can be?
you tell us how long each US Government document was if you are SOOO sure the OP is wrong.
enlighten us on your knowledge of US government documents non-american.

let's look at facts over your feels though.


27 document boxes with a capacity of up to 2500 pages.
say 65,000 pages of capacity to round down because maybe not filled to capacity.

300 documents taken.
do the math on how long each document would need to be to fill those boxes on average and tell me that is realistic.
post 1684727583 06-16-2023, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted By Stizzel
Every declassified document on the foia website is also marked classified. I guess resident libtards think if you print them out you're storing classified documents
Buy a classification stamp with red ink, stamp up your grocery receipt front and back, and mail it to Trump. The FBI will intercept it, consider it a national security violation on his behalf, and add it to their case.
The Era of Great Noticing has begun.
Modern liberalism is morally bankrupt and demonic.
Right wing politics is the new counter-culture.
Wincel: "I'm saying even the govt of China, while brutal at times, is NOT our enemy. Period."
Has Beowulf10 ever experienced true love? Where did he go?
Education is humanity's key to salvation.
The 2nd Cold War has begun.
post 1684727613 06-16-2023, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted By Kraken
So this isn't about classified documents. Now you're getting it, maybe...
Krakhead: "Only a small fraction of the documents were classified military defensive strike plans that he was showing to random scrubs, so this is not about cLaSsIfIeD d0cUmEnTs!"
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