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post 1685358493 06-26-2023, 04:26 PM
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GOP announces Defunding/abolishing the ATF

As a result of the Biden Regime's authoritarian actions. After several court cases have determined the ATF has over stepped significantly and taken down many FFL dealers over the last two years, they have determined the ATF has to go. They are working outside of the law.

I assume Xiden has the authority to veto this, but it's gonna be a hell of a fight.



FBI is likely next as a result of the Durham report.
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post 1685358633 06-26-2023, 04:28 PM
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Nice of the GOP to make another promise they won't keep.
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Originally Posted By Phil9⏩
Nice of the GOP to make another promise they won't keep.
Do you believe it should be refunded/abolished?
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
Do you believe it should be refunded/abolished?
They are just an agency enforcing the laws on the books. So, it's irrelevant if they are abolished or not. Their responsibilities would just be moved to another department. So, your answer is "It doesn't matter either way."
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While I think the ATF/FBI/DOJ have overstepped as of late, I don't think they can be "abolished". The funding and duties will transfer to different agencies that are likely already overworked and won't be able to take on the responsibility so the spending will become more wasteful. I think they need to be reformed, starting at the top. I don't know what the answer is, but these agencies top to bottom do a lot more than what is publicized and I think there's merit to keeping them around but maybe checking 5hem harder when they overstep.
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post 1685359543 06-26-2023, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted By Phil9⏩
They are just an agency enforcing the laws on the books.
Did not read passed this, because I just posted the SCOTUS said otherwise.

Being naive is not an excuse. You just want to defend tyranny every chance you get.
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post 1685359653 06-26-2023, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
Did not read passed this, because I just posted the SCOTUS said otherwise.

Being naive is not an excuse. You just want to defend tyranny every chance you get.
Kraken seething because he can't make an actual counterargument. LOL
post 1685359683 06-26-2023, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted By BearyManilowe⏩
While I think the ATF/FBI/DOJ have overstepped as of late, I don't think they can be "abolished". The funding and duties will transfer to different agencies that are likely already overworked and won't be able to take on the responsibility so the spending will become more wasteful. I think they need to be reformed, starting at the top. I don't know what the answer is, but these agencies top to bottom do a lot more than what is publicized and I think there's merit to keeping them around but maybe checking 5hem harder when they overstep.
Sounds like we have too many gun laws.
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post 1685360353 06-26-2023, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
Sounds like we have too many gun laws.
I agree, but that doesn't mean the ATF is useless.
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post 1685360933 06-26-2023, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted By BearyManilowe⏩
I but that doesn't mean the ATF is useless.
Who said that?

Y'all are making talking points and projections.
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I support the FBI and the ATF.

They help to keep us safe from lunatics of the type you find here, such as OP.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
Who said that?

Y'all are making talking points and projections.
You didn't respond to my original post so I'm not even sure what you hoped to gain with your 1 sentence reply that had nothing to do with my post, so I thought you were still going down the "ATF needs to be abolished" route. Sorry, I took a chance because I'm not a fukking mind reader. If you want some actual discourse then come with more than some dumb ****.
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Now had Trump just shown a modicum of empathy when people were getting rekt by covid he would have won 2020 and Biden wouldn't have put the new director in and none of these changes to descriptions of items would have taken place.

But yeah, keep running that clown for more of the same... son.
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Originally Posted By BearyManilowe⏩
You didn't respond to my original post so I'm not even sure what you hoped to gain with your 1 sentence reply that had nothing to do with my post, so I thought you were still going down the "ATF needs to be abolished" route. Sorry, I took a chance because I'm not a fukking mind reader. If you want some actual discourse then come with more than some dumb ****.
The central government has no business regulating firearms. It should be the states.
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Originally Posted By DeceasedRussian⏩
I support the FBI and the ATF.

They help to keep us safe from lunatics of the type you find here, such as OP.
ATF needs to start profiling angry bald peed0 looking mofos like OP for the protection of society.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
The central government has no business regulating firearms. It should be the states.
The bill of rights kind of disagrees and that's a grey area. There are some things that the states have no power over and would need to fall in the hands of the federal government. Can you expand on your sentiment?
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when pinochet takes power and dictates the ATF to put a bullet in the head of ari, they are just "following the rules on the books."
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Originally Posted By BearyManilowe⏩
I agree, but that doesn't mean the ATF is useless.
atf is completely useless imo, if the border was secure and all illegals deported local LE can deal with resident issues involving crimes committed with firearms
Deport ALL Illegal Aliens
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Originally Posted By BearyManilowe⏩
The bill of rightskind ofdisagrees and that's a grey area. There are some things that the states have no power over and would need to fall in the hands of the federal government. Can you expand on your sentiment?
So not really.
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The constitution was designed to ensure the right of the people. The bill of rights doesn't override the constitution. "We THE PEOPLE...". The federal government's job was to maintain the framework of the constitution, not change it, and not to infringe on it. Its literally written "shall not be infringed...". in other words, it was to prevent the federal government from infringing. It didn't give them authority over it!!

When Alexander Hamilton explained what the purpose of the federal government was when talking to the people of New York, he stated that it was for "minor issues" and "mostly foreign issues". The people of New York told him to pound sand initially. It took tremendous effort to convince them to go along with it. Fast forward to today, look at the federal government. Does this sound like the same government??

https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-ri...trictions-are/
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ATF, CIA, FBI, IRS.... Quite a few three letter agencies should at the very least be greatly reigned in, if not outright knee-capped. Speaking of the latter, the 16th amendment is long overdue for a repeal
Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
The constitution was designed to ensure the right of the people. The bill of rights doesn't override the constitution. "We THE PEOPLE...". The federal government's job was to maintain the framework of the constitution, not change it, and not to infringe on it. Its literally written "shall not be infringed...". in other words, it was to prevent the federal government from infringing. It didn't give them authority over it!!

When Alexander Hamilton explained what the purpose of the federal government was when talking to the people of New York, he stated that it was for "minor issues" and "mostly foreign issues". The people of New York told him to pound sand initially. It took tremendous effort to convince them to go along with it. Fast forward to today, look at the federal government. Does this sound like the same government??

https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-ri...trictions-are/
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Bad move.

If the ATF was abolished, DHS would expand to cover it and be worse than the ATF.
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Originally Posted By Oddball8945⏩
atf is completely useless imo, if the border was secure and all illegals deported local LE can deal with resident issues involving crimes committed with firearms
We're a long way from that, so as it stands the ATF still has a use, yeah? I'd agree that IF we had a perfect system then the ATF wouldn't be required in any fashion, but we can realistically say that we're not there yet.

@ Kraken, are we discussing the ATF/FBI/DEA/etc or the 2nd amendment? You're taking the discussion a bit off the rails.
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Originally Posted By BearyManilowe⏩
We're a long way from that, so as it stands the ATF still has a use, yeah? I'd agree that IF we had a perfect system then the ATF wouldn't be required in any fashion, but we can realistically say that we're not there yet.

@ Kraken, are we discussing the ATF/FBI/DEA/etc or the 2nd amendment? You're taking the discussion a bit off the rails.
Why do you think the GOP is going after the ATF? Do you not know what they've done? Watch the video, because Gaetz explains, and yes, it has to do with the second amendment. The FBI is a different issue.

Perhaps you should read up on the SCOTUS rulings and the evidence presented, because you clearly haven't.
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Originally Posted By DuracellBunny⏩
Bad move.

If the ATF was abolished, DHS would expand to cover it and be worse than the ATF.
OP had a temper tantrum when I pointed this out to him and pretended not to read it.
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Originally Posted By DuracellBunny⏩
Bad move.

If the ATF was abolished, DHS would expand to cover it and be worse than the ATF.
This is already being done. The patriot act and FISA are already being abused by DHS, so I'm not sure why this is suddenly an argument.

The NHS, DHS, FBI, and ATF are all being investigated. Bottom line is emergency powers are the issue.

They all need to be abolished.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
The NHS, DHS, FBI, and ATF are all being investigated. Bottom line is emergency powers are the issue.

They all need to be abolished.
This coming from the guy who had a coronary when people suggested to defund the police. Lmao, son.
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Originally Posted By DuracellBunny⏩
Bad move.

If the ATF was abolished, DHS would expand to cover it and be worse than the ATF.
Abolish the DHS too. Bush created that chit we don't even need it.
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