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» Something you may not know about Ukraine's "democracy"
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post 1685484563 06-28-2023, 02:07 PM
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Something you may not know about Ukraine's "democracy"

In 2019 the Ukrainian government amended the constitution, literally making it illegal for an elected politician to not want to join NATO or the EU.

https://verfassungsblog.de/would-ukr...-its-nato-bid/

Zelensky also banned four opposition parties who want closer ties with Russia.
post 1685485043 06-28-2023, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted By dusky99
In 2019 the Ukrainian government amended the constitution, literally making it illegal for an elected politician to not want to join NATO or the EU.

https://verfassungsblog.de/would-ukr...-its-nato-bid/

Zelensky also banned four opposition parties who want closer ties with Russia.
Still better than russia's dictatorship!
post 1685485163 06-28-2023, 02:13 PM
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Hang Zelensky!
post 1685485473 06-28-2023, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted By Polaris
Hang Zelensky!
Zelensky just declared that "there will be no presidential election until the war ends"

https://americanmilitarynews.com/202...topic%2Frussia
post 1685487623 06-28-2023, 02:42 PM
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The fact that Ukraine is a backwards, corrupt, banana republic is not a justification for Russia to invade a sovereign state. Russia is still at fault for the war.
post 1685487943 06-28-2023, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted By Jayarbie
The fact that Ukraine is a backwards, corrupt, banana republic is not a justification for Russia to invade a sovereign state. Russia is still at fault for the war.
What about the fact they officially praise nazi collaborators as heroes, are reforming education to indoctrinate people against Russia, and have hundreds of thousands of neonazi forces along with literal hitler youth nazi training camps? Ukrainian nationalism is literally the most toxic chit.

We will end up going back to Ukraine one day and fighting these nazis. Mark my words. They are going to become a problem. We do this all the time. We back the most fringe groups, and then they become our enemies later.
post 1685488233 06-28-2023, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted By Putinist
What about the fact they officially praise nazi collaborators as heroes, are reforming education to indoctrinate people against Russia, and have hundreds of thousands of neonazi forces along with literal hitler youth nazi training camps?
Russia has as much of a neo-Nazi problem as Ukraine. All Eastern European countries do. Most of it directed at Ukraine appears to be disinformation.

https://www.euronews.com/2023/03/24/...nazi-narrative

As far as indoctrination, so what? Russia invaded the country and destroyed their cities and slaughtered their citizens. I think the hatred is justified, to be honest. If they aren't committing war crimes against Russia like Russia is against them, then it's a red herring in your argument.
post 1685488573 06-28-2023, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted By Jayarbie
Russia has as much of a neo-Nazi problem as Ukraine. All Eastern European countries do. Most of it directed at Ukraine appears to be disinformation.

https://www.euronews.com/2023/03/24/...nazi-narrative

As far as indoctrination, so what? Russia invaded the country and destroyed their cities and slaughtered their citizens. I think the hatred is justified, to be honest. If they aren't committing war crimes against Russia like Russia is against them, then it's a red herring in your argument.
Russia isn't naming streets after nazis or integrating nazi paramilitary orgs into their military and pinning medals on their chests.

Who started the violence? Nazis burned people alive in Odessa and had tiki torch protests praising Bandera and Shukhevych. They creeped the Crimeans out. Ukraine insisted the people of Donbass speak Ukrainian in public over Russian. Their society became increasingly intolerant of Russian heritage. Statues of Lenin were destroyed. Streets were renamed. Nazi collaborators were celebrated. The curriculum was changed. The Ukrainian right wing pushed for 2 decades of reforms to become increasingly hostile to Russia.

But they did commit warcrimes. And they murdered their own people. Nazi "volunteers" went to Donbass and killed their own fellow citizens. How can you expect Ukraine to have any statehood when they are run by such intolerant monsters? It is not a democracy. It's a farce. Zelensky was elected to bring peace, but when the time came, the far right threatened to murder him and viewed peace as capitulation. So he reneged on his promises.

These NaTiOnAlIsTs wear nazi imagery, do the hitler salute, wear death's head balaclavas, glorify war, and bitterly hate communism and Russian history. They hate Russians and joke about massacring them all. All this chit came out of Lviv, and they never renounced their collaboration with nazis. It's horrible, and Americans have been working with these crazies for decades.
post 1685488973 06-28-2023, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted By Putinist
Russia isn't naming streets after nazis or integrating nazi paramilitary orgs into their military and pinning medals on their chests.

Who started the violence? Nazis burned people alive in Odessa and had tiki torch protests praising Bandera and Shukhevych. They creeped the Crimeans out. Ukraine insisted the people of Donbass speak Ukrainian in public over Russian. Their society became increasingly intolerant of Russian heritage. Statues of Lenin were destroyed. Streets were renamed. Nazi collaborators were celebrated. The curriculum was changed. The Ukrainian right wing pushed for 2 decades of reforms to become increasingly hostile to Russia.

But they did commit warcrimes. And they murdered their own people. Nazi "volunteers" went to Donbass and killed their own fellow citizens. How can you expect Ukraine to have any statehood when they are run by such intolerant monsters? It is not a democracy. It's a farce. Zelensky was elected to bring peace, but when the time came, the far right threatened to murder him and viewed peace as capitulation. So he reneged on his promises.

These NaTiOnAlIsTs wear nazi imagery, do the hitler salute, wear death's head balaclavas, glorify war, and bitterly hate communism and Russian history. They hate Russians and joke about massacring them all. All this chit came out of Lviv, and they never renounced their collaboration with nazis. It's horrible, and Americans have been working with these crazies for decades.
Nazis ceased to exist in 1944. Sorry wincel. A few LARPers with swastikas, same as in the USA and every other country, does not a Nazi make.
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Wow, MAGAts are Putin bootlickers here.
post 1685489223 06-28-2023, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted By DeceasedRussian
Nazis ceased to exist in 1944. Sorry wincel. A few LARPers with swastikas, same as in the USA and every other country, does not a Nazi make.


Naw bro. There is something deeply rotten in the state of Ukraine. Does it justify invasion and excuse the many civilian deaths? No. But Ukraine is not innocent.
post 1685489523 06-28-2023, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted By Jayarbie
The fact that Ukraine is a backwards, corrupt, banana republic is not a justification for Russia to invade a sovereign state. Russia is still at fault for the war.
Reality isn't black and white.
post 1685489673 06-28-2023, 03:17 PM
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Zelensky won’t even allow his country to have an election. Dictator of peace.
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