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07-15-2023, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Yeah, it's called reinfection it happens with the flu and colds and chances are that's what it is so again, Long Covid is bullsh it.According to the types of “studies” Opie likes to share, over 17% of people who get Covid have symptoms two years later.
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07-15-2023, 08:17 AM
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07-15-2023, 08:18 AM
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07-15-2023, 08:19 AM
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#124
Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
I asked which sub you think would be more appropriate.Just noticed the edit.
I am not "trying to discuss vaccines in this thread".
I am calling you out on your "taking on an active role in preventing discussion".
Why can't you answer a rudimentary question about lot control of the very vaccines you claim to have been administering?
What is it that you feel the need to hide, and why do you feel a need to hide it?
Because for you, it never was an honest discussion.
Just like this thread, there is an underlying reason why you decided to post it in R&P. Because for you, it is both political and religious at the same time.
I am not "trying to discuss vaccines in this thread".
I am calling you out on your "taking on an active role in preventing discussion".
Why can't you answer a rudimentary question about lot control of the very vaccines you claim to have been administering?
What is it that you feel the need to hide, and why do you feel a need to hide it?
Because for you, it never was an honest discussion.
Just like this thread, there is an underlying reason why you decided to post it in R&P. Because for you, it is both political and religious at the same time.

You offered no suggestions

07-15-2023, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
The same reason he won’t answer my question about headaches in the study, and completely ignored my point about the cognition tests in the study.Why do I need to offer a suggestion for you?
It's all good though... Because you have confirmed there is an underlying reason why you decided to post this in R&P. Because for you, it is both political and religious at the same time.
Why can't you answer a rudimentary question about lot control of the very vaccines you claim to have been administering?
What is it that you feel the need to hide, and why do you feel a need to hide it?
Because for you, it never was an honest discussion.
It's all good though... Because you have confirmed there is an underlying reason why you decided to post this in R&P. Because for you, it is both political and religious at the same time.

Why can't you answer a rudimentary question about lot control of the very vaccines you claim to have been administering?
What is it that you feel the need to hide, and why do you feel a need to hide it?
Because for you, it never was an honest discussion.

It doesn’t help his narrative, and that’s all he cares about.
07-15-2023, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
With no alternate suggestions, does it not seems R&P is a suitable sub given the number of covid threads here?Why do I need to offer a suggestion for you?
It's all good though... Because you have confirmed there is an underlying reason why you decided to post this in R&P. Because for you, it is both political and religious at the same time.
Why can't you answer a rudimentary question about lot control of the very vaccines you claim to have been administering?
What is it that you feel the need to hide, and why do you feel a need to hide it?
Because for you, it never was an honest discussion.
It's all good though... Because you have confirmed there is an underlying reason why you decided to post this in R&P. Because for you, it is both political and religious at the same time.

Why can't you answer a rudimentary question about lot control of the very vaccines you claim to have been administering?
What is it that you feel the need to hide, and why do you feel a need to hide it?
Because for you, it never was an honest discussion.

07-15-2023, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
The details are all in the paper tho. You don't want to read it, which is of course fineThe same reason he won’t answer my question about headaches in the study, and completely ignored my point about the cognition tests in the study.
It doesn’t help his narrative, and that’s all he cares about.
It doesn’t help his narrative, and that’s all he cares about.

To me, It's odd to want to discuss something you haven't read.
Perhaps you don't even really have an issue with the study. Perhaps the issue is that it was me who posted the study?
07-15-2023, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Right, because making up stories is intellectual and honest?I mean, thank you for confirming that you deem the study linked in the OP to be political and/or religious in nature.
It's all good though... Because you have confirmed there is an underlying reason why you decided to post this in R&P. Because for you, it is both political and religious at the same time.
Why can't you answer a rudimentary question about lot control of the very vaccines you claim to have been administering?
What is it that you feel the need to hide, and why do you feel a need to hide it?
Because for you, it never was an honest discussion.

It's all good though... Because you have confirmed there is an underlying reason why you decided to post this in R&P. Because for you, it is both political and religious at the same time.
Why can't you answer a rudimentary question about lot control of the very vaccines you claim to have been administering?
What is it that you feel the need to hide, and why do you feel a need to hide it?
Because for you, it never was an honest discussion.

07-15-2023, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
It was answered the first time. You didn't like it then, either.The details of lot control are all something that one would expect people who administer the vaccines to be aware of.
Why can't you answer a rudimentary question about lot control of the very vaccines you claim to have been administering?
What is it that you feel the need to hide, and why do you feel a need to hide it?
To me, it's odd to want to deflect from discussing something that should be common knowledge.
Why can't you answer a rudimentary question about lot control of the very vaccines you claim to have been administering?
What is it that you feel the need to hide, and why do you feel a need to hide it?
To me, it's odd to want to deflect from discussing something that should be common knowledge.

But, all's intellectual and honest when done to support the narrative by proxy

07-15-2023, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Yet none of your stories are supported by quotes.No, you did not.
Please, quote the post where you did.
If you cannot quote the post, it counts as admission that you did not in fact answer the question.
Please, quote the post where you did.
If you cannot quote the post, it counts as admission that you did not in fact answer the question.

Curious.
07-15-2023, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Asked and answered.I do not see a quote...
Thanks for admitting, by applying your standards to yourself, that your claim of having answered the question already, is a "made up story".
Which brings us back to, since you were unable to supply the quote, which in turn means that you are admitting that you did not in fact answer the question...
The details of lot control are all something that one would expect people who administer the vaccines to be aware of.
Why can't you answer a rudimentary question about lot control of the very vaccines you claim to have been administering?
What is it that you feel the need to hide, and why do you feel a need to hide it?
To me, it's odd to want to deflect from discussing something that should be common knowledge.
Thanks for admitting, by applying your standards to yourself, that your claim of having answered the question already, is a "made up story".
Which brings us back to, since you were unable to supply the quote, which in turn means that you are admitting that you did not in fact answer the question...
The details of lot control are all something that one would expect people who administer the vaccines to be aware of.
Why can't you answer a rudimentary question about lot control of the very vaccines you claim to have been administering?
What is it that you feel the need to hide, and why do you feel a need to hide it?
To me, it's odd to want to deflect from discussing something that should be common knowledge.

While false dichotomies, orders, double barreled questions, and story telling may be considered intellectual and honest by some, I try my best to not use such tactics.
Looks like long covid affects even younger people tho.
07-15-2023, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
It's very unsettling.And still no quote...
Thanks for admitting, by applying your standards to yourself, that your claim of having answered the question already, is a "made up story".Thanks for admitting, by applying your standards to yourself, that your claim of having answered the question already, is a "made up story".
Which brings us back to, since you were unable to supply the quote, which in turn means that you are admitting that you did not in fact answer the question...
The details of lot control are all something that one would expect people who administer the vaccines to be aware of.
Why can't you answer a rudimentary question about lot control of the very vaccines you claim to have been administering?
What is it that you feel the need to hide, and why do you feel a need to hide it?
To me, it's odd to want to deflect from discussing something that should be common knowledge.
Thanks for admitting, by applying your standards to yourself, that your claim of having answered the question already, is a "made up story".Thanks for admitting, by applying your standards to yourself, that your claim of having answered the question already, is a "made up story".
Which brings us back to, since you were unable to supply the quote, which in turn means that you are admitting that you did not in fact answer the question...
The details of lot control are all something that one would expect people who administer the vaccines to be aware of.
Why can't you answer a rudimentary question about lot control of the very vaccines you claim to have been administering?
What is it that you feel the need to hide, and why do you feel a need to hide it?
To me, it's odd to want to deflect from discussing something that should be common knowledge.

07-15-2023, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
Indeed.It's very unsettling.
The dedication to attempting to attack the character of anyone who challenges the narrative is unsettling.
Kinda have to admire the commitment tho
It's another both-and!
Both unsettling and admirable

07-15-2023, 09:13 AM
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07-15-2023, 09:14 AM
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The details are all in the paper tho. You don't want to read it, which is of course fine
To me, It's odd to want to discuss something you haven't read.
Perhaps you don't even really have an issue with the study. Perhaps the issue is that it was me who posted the study?
I have a problem with a study that conducts post infection cognition tests and uses them as evidence of impact from Covid when they have not administered the same test prior to infection to compare it against. But since you refuse to answer the questions(which, or course, we all know why you won’t), maybe you’ll answer this one. What do you think the cognition test results indicate? Not asking for specifics from the “study”, just want to get your thoughts on that aspect of it.To me, It's odd to want to discuss something you haven't read.
Perhaps you don't even really have an issue with the study. Perhaps the issue is that it was me who posted the study?
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Why have you changed your settings so that others can’t search your posts? Hmmm, let me consider a few reasons why that may be.Yet none of your stories are supported by quotes.
Curious.
Curious.
07-15-2023, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Good study, my only issue is that the average age was 54 but other than that, the list of long symptoms is ridiculous!Neurologic Manifestations of Long COVID Differ Based on Acute COVID-19 Severity
"PNP and NNP patients both experience persistent neurologic symptoms affecting their quality of life. However, they harbor significant differences in demographics, comorbidities, neurologic symptoms and findings, as well as pattern of cognitive dysfunction. Such differences suggest distinct etiologies of Neuro-PASC in these populations warranting targeted interventions."
"The median number of neurologic symptoms attributed to COVID-19 was 7, and 91% reported more than 4 neurological symptoms with no differences between the 2 groups. Overall, the 10 most common neurological symptoms included non-specific cognitive complaints, which patients referred to as “brain fog” (81.2%), headache (70.3%), anosmia (55.7%), dysgeusia (54.5%), dizziness (49.5%), myalgia (47.5%), numbness/tingling (42.2%), pain other than chest (40.5%), tinnitus (28.7%), and blurred vision (26%). NNP patients more frequently reported anosmia (59% vs 39%; p = 0.0003), dysgeusia (57.6% vs 39%; p = 0.0009), and myalgias (50.4 vs 33%; p = 0.002) compared to the PNP group. Seizures, movement disorders, ischemic stroke, meningitis, or polyradiculitis were rare in both groups. None of our patients presented with Guillain-Barre syndrome/acute inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy (AIDP), or acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM)."
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ana.26649
"PNP and NNP patients both experience persistent neurologic symptoms affecting their quality of life. However, they harbor significant differences in demographics, comorbidities, neurologic symptoms and findings, as well as pattern of cognitive dysfunction. Such differences suggest distinct etiologies of Neuro-PASC in these populations warranting targeted interventions."
"The median number of neurologic symptoms attributed to COVID-19 was 7, and 91% reported more than 4 neurological symptoms with no differences between the 2 groups. Overall, the 10 most common neurological symptoms included non-specific cognitive complaints, which patients referred to as “brain fog” (81.2%), headache (70.3%), anosmia (55.7%), dysgeusia (54.5%), dizziness (49.5%), myalgia (47.5%), numbness/tingling (42.2%), pain other than chest (40.5%), tinnitus (28.7%), and blurred vision (26%). NNP patients more frequently reported anosmia (59% vs 39%; p = 0.0003), dysgeusia (57.6% vs 39%; p = 0.0009), and myalgias (50.4 vs 33%; p = 0.002) compared to the PNP group. Seizures, movement disorders, ischemic stroke, meningitis, or polyradiculitis were rare in both groups. None of our patients presented with Guillain-Barre syndrome/acute inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy (AIDP), or acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM)."
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ana.26649
i have been told that tinnitus alone can drive a person nuts!
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07-15-2023, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
As stated many, many, many times over the years, I mistakenly referred to a proportion as a percentage. I corrected my mistake and apologized.The deflection is even more so...
One doesn't have to wonder why you didn't answer the question.
Here it is again:
Are you denying you fudged numbers by two decimal points?
One doesn't have to wonder why you didn't answer the question.

Here it is again:
Are you denying you fudged numbers by two decimal points?

Both formats were much lower than 1.0.
It seems you found that to be a grievous and unforgivable mistake. You have every right to your opinion.
07-15-2023, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
When the person lives in New Jersey(3 hours away), and you live in DC, common sense would tell you that the person chose to "self isolate" in their own home.Good thing some people were making sick members of their family stay in the garage!

But you do not do COMMON SENSE, oh well maybe in your next life.

There is an unspoken thing, we are iron brothers and sisters, we are to support each other and...It is our duty to support our brothers and sisters in the iron game!
07-15-2023, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
There was pretty large standard deviation too, so pretty good representation across age. More informative than the studies that only looked at seniors, imo.Good study, my only issue is that the average age was 54 but other than that, the list of long symptoms is ridiculous!
i have been told that tinnitus alone can drive a person nuts!
i have been told that tinnitus alone can drive a person nuts!
Tinnitus can be debilitating!
07-15-2023, 09:26 AM
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07-15-2023, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
What do you think the cognition test results indicate? Not asking for specifics from the “study”, just want to get your thoughts on that aspect of it.Wat?
This is a new story
This is a new story

07-15-2023, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
As explained in the paper, they reviewed medical records of everyone enrolled in the study.I have a problem with a study that conducts post infection cognition tests and uses them as evidence of impact from Covid when they have not administered the same test prior to infection to compare it against. But since you refuse to answer the questions(which, or course, we all know why you won’t), maybe you’ll answer this one. What do you think the cognition test results indicate? Not asking for specifics from the “study”, just want to get your thoughts on that aspect of it.
Sure there are limitations, but to suggest the only way to know long covid is real is for a large cohort of people to have been thoroughly worked up on the measures associated with long covid, prior to covid, seems an overly conservative requirement, imo.
07-15-2023, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
What do you think the cognition test results indicate?As explained in the paper, they reviewed medical records of everyone enrolled in the study.
Sure there are limitations, but to suggest the only way to know long covid is real is for a large cohort of people to have been thoroughly worked up on the measures associated with long covid, prior to covid, seems an overly conservative requirement, imo.
Sure there are limitations, but to suggest the only way to know long covid is real is for a large cohort of people to have been thoroughly worked up on the measures associated with long covid, prior to covid, seems an overly conservative requirement, imo.
07-15-2023, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Back in 2005 when someone quoted you (see post #181) it meant they were talking to and about you.Interesting how I didn't say it was you, but you inferred that it was.
One doesn't even have to wonder why.
One doesn't even have to wonder why.

You will eventually learn the rules here; you are neither slick or clever, quite the contrary.

There is an unspoken thing, we are iron brothers and sisters, we are to support each other and...It is our duty to support our brothers and sisters in the iron game!
07-15-2023, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
"Fudging" implies intent.Aside from the fact that it took several edits to "correct your mistake" over several posts, and that the first set of numbers were out even further and that I don't recall you apologizing...
Thanks for admitting that when I say you "fudged numbers by two decimal points", it's not a "made up story" as you claimed just earlier ITT, and is an actual fact instead.
I am ready for your apology for your baseless attack on my character now.
Thanks for admitting that when I say you "fudged numbers by two decimal points", it's not a "made up story" as you claimed just earlier ITT, and is an actual fact instead.
I am ready for your apology for your baseless attack on my character now.

You've made your opinion clear and it appears there's nothing I nor anyone else can do to change it.
You are of course entitled to your opinions as well as to continue your mission

07-15-2023, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
Your one female friend who was bed ridden for two weeks from the weakest variant, let me guess.......she's still suffering from the ordeal......Back in 2005 when someone quoted you (see post #181) it meant they were talking to and about you.
You will eventually learn the rules here; you are neither slick or clever, quite the contrary.
You will eventually learn the rules here; you are neither slick or clever, quite the contrary.

07-15-2023, 09:42 AM
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07-15-2023, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
What's the story of this garage?Maybe she got pneumonia from being banished to an unheated garage?

07-15-2023, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Proving nefarious intention can be challenging following correction and apology.Can you quote where you apologized for fudging the numbers? Sounds like another "made up story" to me.
But still, thanks for admitting that when I say you "fudged numbers by two decimal points", it's not a "made up story" as you claimed just earlier ITT, and is an actual fact instead.
I am ready for your apology for your baseless attack on my character now.

But still, thanks for admitting that when I say you "fudged numbers by two decimal points", it's not a "made up story" as you claimed just earlier ITT, and is an actual fact instead.
I am ready for your apology for your baseless attack on my character now.

But, hostile attribution can be difficult to overcome, so I get it.
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