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post 1686837893 07-19-2023, 10:02 PM
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if mike mentzer program is to failure...

then why does he say stick to 1 set of 6-8 reps?
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post 1686837943 07-19-2023, 10:03 PM
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Because intensity > volume for a lot of people
post 1686837993 07-19-2023, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted By bsrkoacar2⏩
Because intensity > volume for a lot of people
so you're gonna be doing a weight that you can BARELY get to 6 reps is that what you mean?
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post 1686838053 07-19-2023, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted By tcatcrawler⏩
so you're gonna be doing a weight that you can BARELY get to 6 reps is that what you mean?
Yeah pretty much. Use good form throughout the set, Then once you can't get full reps do partials until you reach complete failure and can't move the weight.
post 1686838163 07-19-2023, 10:09 PM
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A lot of pros had great results with intensity training. Dorian Yates, mentzer, a lot of the 90s guys... Some respond better to volume. Jay Cutler is an example, although his volume work was at an ultra high intensity and he had a very strong strength base.
post 1686838513 07-19-2023, 10:16 PM
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Never cared for his routine. Good if you don't want to go to the gym as often

I like high volume with a big emphasis on pump training
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post 1686838863 07-19-2023, 10:27 PM
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Proper HIT is BRUTAL.

It not just 6 reps, its drop sets and forced reps with negatives too. Time under tension is immense when you do it properly. Slow cadence. You just nuke the muscle.

Most people cant handle this training and dont do it properly when they think they are.
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few thoughts on this
his 1 set is not what most ppl think of 1 set being

theres scientifically more than one way to cause hypertrophy, why wouldn't a bodybuilder utilise all for max gainz?

most guys walking around with what they think are gainz are just walking around with a pump srs, one week off and they complain of lost "size"
post 1686840863 07-19-2023, 11:20 PM
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I remember reading an article about Mentzer in his later years. He advocated for rep pauses and discussed how a lot of lifters go easy on their first couple sets. He said “Nah, all out on that one set”. Then they went out for a smoke break. Lol

Mentzer was a genetic freak, but when you reach a certain level and are no longer making big gains, the intensity becomes one of the most important parts of the workout. For example, I remember talking to some old school lifters back in the 90s who all did pyramid sets, where the first 3 sets were “near failure/fatigue”. It was very popular. My father, who was a competing PLer even recommended it to me when I started. But then The 90s lifters revolutionized lifting, and that’s when we started seeing the gurus really starting to tell their secrets and create systems that were far superior. Even guys with PhDs were getting in on the discussions and writings. The first book I got that really got in to the advanced theory of training was Supertraining, which referenced the top scientists, athletes, and biomechanics.

Mentzer was ahead of his time. He rarely did the same workout and used HITT, which was in line with these advanced training theories, but they were not mainstream or even known in most cases. He def knew something.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
I remember reading an article about Mentzer in his later years. He advocated for rep pauses and discussed how a lot of lifters go easy on their first couple sets. He said “Nah, all out on that one set”. Then they went out for a smoke break. Lol

Mentzer was a genetic freak, but when you reach a certain level and are no longer making big gains, the intensity becomes one of the most important parts of the workout. For example, I remember talking to some old school lifters back in the 90s who all did pyramid sets, where the first 3 sets were “near failure/fatigue”. It was very popular. My father, who was a competing PLer even recommended it to me when I started. But then The 90s lifters revolutionized lifting, and that’s when we started seeing the gurus really starting to tell their secrets and create systems that were far superior. Even guys with PhDs were getting in on the discussions and writings. The first book I got that really got in to the advanced theory of training was Supertraining, which referenced the top scientists, athletes, and biomechanics.

Mentzer was ahead of his time. He rarely did the same workout and used HITT, which was in line with these advanced training theories, but they were not mainstream or even known in most cases. He def knew something.


skip to 6:20 he says to do 1 set of 6-10 and then add 10-20% once you're able to hit 10 reps. And to start over at 6 reps.
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post 1686844593 07-20-2023, 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted By bsrkoacar2⏩
A lot of pros had great results with intensity training. Dorian Yates, mentzer, a lot of the 90s guys... Some respond better to volume. Jay Cutler is an example, although his volume work was at an ultra high intensity and he had a very strong strength base.
this is laughably wrong

Yates was the only pro who used it. Cutler had the intensity of a wet towel
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