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post 1686896733 07-20-2023, 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
And you ran away from the "scientifically motivated" question you started, after calling me "politically motivated".

Thanks for confirming that the latter was just a projection, and that you are the one who is politically motivated.

Especially since you doubled down on calling me a "rightie".

Had a hunch you were from your very first post, but it's nice to have it nailed down.

And with that, since you admitted to being politically motivated from the start, there is no further discussion to be had.

Have a good night!
Pure projection and cope LMAO. Sorry smoothbrain but your political leanings aren't science.
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Originally Posted By hobo4president⏩
Let's test. Are sufficiently designed masks effective at preventing covid infection? If you say no you're just coping and your response is politically and not scientifically motivated. If you say yes, that's odd considering you seem to be confrontational about people posting studies showing the effectiveness of masks but you don't seem to do the same to the people who question their effectiveness.
People who masked up constantly and still got it twice, how did it happen? Especially since they took all the precautions.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
People who masked up constantly and still got it twice, how did it happen? Especially since they took all the precautions.
Masks aren't 100% effective retard. "People have died wearing seatbelts so what's the point of having them???" Literal smoothbrain LMAO
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post 1686896933 07-20-2023, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Interesting how we found another pseudointellectual who got reduced to baseless ad hominem attacks when it became clear that he could not win a "scientific debate".

But what else is new?

Just LOL @ koalacels srs.
Is that why you ran away from the "scientifically motivated" question you started, after calling me "politically motivated"?

Thanks for confirming that the latter was just a projection, and that you are the one who is politically motivated.

Especially since you doubled down on calling me a "rightie".

Had a hunch you were from your very first post, but it's nice to have it nailed down.

And with that, since you admitted to being politically motivated from the start, there is no further discussion to be had.

Have a good night!
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post 1686897003 07-20-2023, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Interesting how we found another pseudointellectual who got reduced to baseless ad hominem attacks when it became clear that he could not win a "scientific debate".

But what else is new?

Just LOL @ koalacels srs.
post 1686897103 07-20-2023, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted By hobo4president⏩
Masks aren't 100% effective retard. "People have died wearing seatbelts so what's the point of having them???" Literal smoothbrain LMAO
You're actually comparing masks to seatbelts????
post 1686897233 07-20-2023, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
You're actually comparing masks to seatbelts????
Yes. Unironically. Science doesn't care about your feelings.
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post 1686897273 07-20-2023, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
You're talking to a koalacel who unironically asked the question of:

"Are sufficiently designed masks effective at preventing covid infection?"

Maybe we should let J.L.C. answer this one, he's the expert on masks, especially "sufficiently designed" ones.
Sorry but science doesn't care about your feelings LMAO
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post 1686897383 07-20-2023, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
And yet...



Interesting how we found another pseudointellectual who got reduced to baseless ad hominem attacks when it became clear that he could not win a "scientific debate".

But what else is new?

Just LOL @ koalacels srs.
Ah yes because my question was clearly are masks effective at stopping Covid if you just leave them in a box or used improperly. You're just trying to obsfuscate because of your own cognitive dissonance. You know studies have shown that certain masks are effective preventing covid infection yet you politically don't want to admit it. LMAO. Again it's just pure cope and projection.
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post 1686897573 07-20-2023, 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
And yet...



Interesting how we found another pseudointellectual who got reduced to baseless ad hominem attacks when it became clear that he could not win a "scientific debate".

But what else is new?

Just LOL @ koalacels srs.
Are there studies that show masks are effective at preventing covid infection?
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post 1686897703 07-20-2023, 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
It's funny who you ran away from the "scientifically motivated" discussion, but here you are still trying to find that gotcha...

You're more then welcome to continue the previous discussion you started.



Interesting how we found another pseudointellectual who got reduced to baseless ad hominem attacks when it became clear that he could not win a "scientific debate".

But what else is new?

Just LOL @ koalacels srs.
There's no need to answer your parameters retard because my question wasn't are masks effective only when certain parameters are met, it was implying are masks EVER effective. You KNOW they are but your own feelings are causing immense dissonance in your smooth little brain so instead of answering you're obsfucating. Cope and projection LMAO
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post 1686899113 07-20-2023, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Differential effectiveness of COVID-19 health behaviors: The role of mental health conditions in mask-wearing, social distancing, and hygiene practice

"Mask-wearing is robustly effective in the prevention of COVID-19 among individuals. However, social distancing and hygiene practice provide less significant protection among individuals with certain mental health conditions, suggesting the importance of prioritizing these individuals for additional preventive measures (e.g., vaccines targeting variants) and mitigation strategies (e.g., financial assistance, targeted mental health care, health education)."

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/hcs2.60

About a 20-25% reduction in adjusted odds ratio with masks.

The used logistic regression without stating who supervised it.

They got the data from the Healthy Minds Network and report no funding.
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post 1686906263 07-21-2023, 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
It does seem like one of the arguments was that anything that wasn't a brick wall against infection wasn't worth doing.
Moreso the opposite - I don't think people who were sceptical of masks would claim that it wouldn't stop absolutely anything, more that they weren't a 100%, infection-free guarantee.

On the other hand, if you didn't wear one it wasn't uncommon to get REEEE'd at in stores as seen in countless videos posted online, all of which stemmed from a belief of them being much more effective than 20-25%. And yet, as it turns out, that's all it was; still a significant number, but nowherenearthe level of protection that was implied and widely believed to be the case.
post 1686908373 07-21-2023, 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted By TheJimmyRustler⏩
Moreso the opposite - I don't think people who were sceptical of masks would claim that it wouldn't stop absolutely anything, more that they weren't a 100%, infection-free guarantee.

On the other hand, if you didn't wear one it wasn't uncommon to get REEEE'd at in stores as seen in countless videos posted online, all of which stemmed from a belief of them being much more effective than 20-25%. And yet, as it turns out, that's all it was; still a significant number, but nowherenearthe level of protection that was implied and widely believed to be the case.
It was only safe to stop wearing one when the Elites told you it was safe.......
post 1686908393 07-21-2023, 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted By hobo4president⏩
Yes. Unironically. Science doesn't care about your feelings.
A seatbelt protects the one wearing one, a mask doesn't. Science doesn't care about your feelz.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
A seatbelt protects the one wearing one, a mask doesn't. Science doesn't care about your feelz.
Just chiming in to mention that I think that one reason liberals love making so much is that masking prevents you from spreading it much more than it does you getting it, which is a cornerstone of liberalism where you sacrifice for the common good. Liberals would love a society that people help one another. The belief that those who can contribute, contribute more so those who won't contribute can have more. Healthy people who aren't at risk of the virus have to damage their health to try to protect unhealthy individuals who are at a high risk. Maybe the unhealthy can take steps to be more healthy?
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
A seatbelt protects the one wearing one, a mask doesn't. Science doesn't care about your feelz.
Check the paper tho
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Originally Posted By Jasonw1178⏩
Just chiming in to mention that I think that one reason liberals love making so much is that masking prevents you from spreading it much more than it does you getting it, which is a cornerstone of liberalism where you sacrifice for the common good. Liberals would love a society that people help one another. The belief that those who can contribute, contribute more so those who won't contribute can have more. Healthy people who aren't at risk of the virus have to damage their health to try to protect unhealthy individuals who are at a high risk. Maybe the unhealthy can take steps to be more healthy?
Which healthy people aren't at risk? How do they determine they aren't at risk?
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Originally Posted By Jasonw1178⏩
Just chiming in to mention that I think that one reason liberals love making so much is that masking prevents you from spreading it much more than it does you getting it, which is a cornerstone of liberalism where you sacrifice for the common good. Liberals would love a society that people help one another. The belief that those who can contribute, contribute more so those who won't contribute can have more. Healthy people who aren't at risk of the virus have to damage their health to try to protect unhealthy individuals who are at a high risk. Maybe the unhealthy can take steps to be more healthy?
I mean yea. Isn't that how society should work? The strong should protect the weak. The rich should help the poor. The smart should guide the dumb. We are a society. Of course the unhealthy should try to be healthier, but the reality is they are unhealthy and need our help. I find it mindblowing that Christians are against this idea. Jesus Christ would have been the biggest socialist of all.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Check the paper tho
The paper that was based on an online survey and did not validate whether the responses were accurate??
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
The paper that was based on an online survey and did not validate whether the responses were accurate??
Did you review the survey questions?

Why do you feel they don't have face validity?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Did you review the survey questions?

Why do you feel they don't have face validity?
Were the questions answered via an online survey??


If so, how do you think they confirmed the people were honest and accurate in their responses?
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Were the questions answered via an online survey??


If so, how do you think they confirmed the people were honest and accurate in their responses?
Do you think people were dishonest? What would be the motivation or indicators of fake data?

Do you think all of the other work demonstrating the same effect is also invalid?
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Originally Posted By Jasonw1178⏩
Just chiming in to mention that I think that one reason liberals love making so much is that masking prevents you from spreading it much more than it does you getting it, which is a cornerstone of liberalism where you sacrifice for the common good. Liberals would love a society that people help one another. The belief that those who can contribute, contribute more so those who won't contribute can have more. Healthy people who aren't at risk of the virus have to damage their health to try to protect unhealthy individuals who are at a high risk. Maybe the unhealthy can take steps to be more healthy?
Are all Asian cultures Liberal?

"which is a cornerstone of liberalism where you sacrifice for the common good."
There is an unspoken thing, we are iron brothers and sisters, we are to support each other and...It is our duty to support our brothers and sisters in the iron game!
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Do you think people were dishonest? What would be the motivation or indicators of fake data?
Out of 60k+ responses yes, it is very likely at least some were dishonest. Also, it is very subjective. Perhaps the person responding feels they’re very hygienic but they aren’t, or vice versa. And the responses could change based on how they feel at the time of questioning. Point being, if they can’t even validate that the responses are accurate then it’s trash as far as being used in a “scientific study”.
Do you think all of the other work demonstrating the same effect is also invalid?
What effect is that? Do I think masks provide meaningful protection?? I don’t think the ones that the vast majority of people wore did much of anything. Sure they caught large droplets, but those would’ve quickly fell to the ground anyway and not been much of a risk to others. The smaller particles pass easily through the mask and can travel to others perfectly fine.



But I get it, you want to promote masks and injections. Weird flex but ok.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Out of 60k+ responses yes, it is very likely at least some were dishonest. Also, it is very subjective. Perhaps the person responding feels they’re very hygienic but they aren’t, or vice versa. And the responses could change based on how they feel at the time of questioning. Point being, if they can’t even validate that the responses are accurate then it’s trash as far as being used in a “scientific study”.
While survey research has limitations, I think it's a stretch to say any and all research using data collected by surveys is invalid or trash by default.

But, I don't think use of regression is a flaw either.

What effect is that? Do I think masks provide meaningful protection?? I don’t think the ones that the vast majority of people wore did much of anything. Sure they caught large droplets, but those would’ve quickly fell to the ground anyway and not been much of a risk to others. The smaller particles pass easily through the mask and can travel to others perfectly fine.
The effect of community masking reducing the odds of infection and/or transmission.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
While survey research has limitations, I think it's a stretch to say any and all research using data collected by surveys is invalid or trash by default.
The data hasn’t been validated. Period.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
The data hasn’t been validated. Period.
Okay.

Mask use is typically over reported by self report, which suggests the effects shown in this study are even larger.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Okay.

Mask use is typically over reported by self report, which suggests the effects shown in this study are even larger.
How many masks were you were wearing when you posted this?
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
How many masks were you were wearing when you posted this?
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