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07-30-2023, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted By S0Jack3d⏩
I work in a hospital right now.I’m on the side of the Vaxxers. The world is overpopulated and numbers need to be reduced. The vaccine was a great way to reduce the population. I just don’t want to be one of the people to get genocided. If you took the untested, unproven vaccine that gave its manufacturers total immunity from any lawsuits due to unforseen side effects…. You deserve to be genocided. I believe in Darwinism.
Everybody is vax'd.
Nobody is dying.
When should I expect all these people to die off?
According to you guys they already should be dead lol.
Also, you gonna provide evidence?
Or just low IQ rants?
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OP is one of the dumb ones to die first on next gov experiment with for profit corporations. Lol@ not being age 65+ or obese with health problems thinking experimental treatment will be better than natural immunity
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pzifer buying myocarditis tech companies is all the proof you need
but then just all of the people that either died suddenly in their sleep or on a sports court/pitch
and lots of children/teens having heart attacks
but then just all of the people that either died suddenly in their sleep or on a sports court/pitch
and lots of children/teens having heart attacks
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Low IQ simpleton checking in. I sleep peaceful at night knowing I'm not going to keel over and die if I go do some wind sprints.
07-30-2023, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted By OPGenesis⏩
Work in a hospital? Thought you were a fuking tradie. You trying to mix up stories here or what brah?>I work in a hospital right now.
Everybody is vax'd.
Nobody is dying.
When should I expect all these people to die off?
According to you guys they already should be dead lol.
Also, you gonna provide evidence?
Or just low IQ rants?
Everybody is vax'd.
Nobody is dying.
When should I expect all these people to die off?
According to you guys they already should be dead lol.
Also, you gonna provide evidence?
Or just low IQ rants?
07-30-2023, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted By stevemckenna⏩
Claims baselessly link COVID vaccines to athlete deathsLow IQ simpleton checking in. I sleep peaceful at night knowing I'm not going to keel over and die if I go do some wind sprints.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-chec...0-989195878254
CLAIM: Two researchers found that more than 1,500 athletes have suffered cardiac arrest since COVID-19 vaccinations began, compared to a previous average of 29 athletes per year, suggesting the vaccines are causing a dramatic rise in such cardiac issues.
AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. The researchers cited a number from a blog that lists news stories about recent deaths and medical emergencies among people of all ages, from all over the world — some of which were attributed to other causes, such as cancer. The previous figure, meanwhile, is from a 2006 study that specifically reviewed literature for reports of sudden cardiac deaths among athletes under age 35. Comparing the two sources, with different methodologies, is not scientifically sound, experts told The Associated Press.
THE FACTS: Following Buffalo Bills safety Damar Hamlin’s cardiac arrest during a game Monday, social media posts and Fox News gave air to a long-circulating and faulty narrative that COVID-19 vaccines are causing a dramatic increase in athlete deaths.
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“Cardiologist Peter McCullough and researcher Panagis Polykretis looked into this trend in Europe, European sports leagues. They found that prior to COVID and the COVID-19 vaccines there were roughly 29 cardiac arrests in those European sports leagues per year,” Fox’s Tucker Carlson claimed in a segment Tuesday night. “Since the vax campaign began, there have been more than 1,500 total cardiac arrests in those leagues and two-thirds of those were fatal.”
Carlson was in fact referencing a letter, not a rigorous study, that McCullough and Polykretis published in a Scandinavian journal in late 2022.
That letter does claim that “1598 athletes suffered cardiac arrest, 1101 of which with deadly outcome” between January 2021 and late 2022 — but it simply cites a blog, goodsciencing.com, for that figure.
The blog’s list is a compilation of news reports about recent deaths and medical emergencies, and it includes cases not reported to be spurred by cardiac arrest: Some deaths, for example, were reportedly from cancer.
The list also includes incidents from around the world and among people of all ages — including some in their 70s and 80s — not just athletes in “European sports leagues,” as Carlson claimed.
For example, the list now includes a 71-year-old woman who died at home in Canada in December even while acknowledging her cause of death was not known and that her obituary suggested donations to a cancer charity. It also cites a news story about a 61-year-old Italian athletic trainer who reportedly died shortly after being diagnosed with leukemia.
“It’s not real research,” Dr. Matthew Martinez, director of sports cardiology at Atlantic Health System in Morristown Medical Center, told the AP. “Anybody can write a letter to the editor and then quote an article that has no academic rigor.”
Dr. Jonathan Kim, chief of sports cardiology at Emory University School of Medicine and team cardiologist for Atlanta’s NFL, NBA and MLB teams, similarly said of the blog post: “It’s just shocking to use that as a citation.”
“It’s scientific garbage, you can’t just pull a bunch of media reports,” he added, noting that in some cases a clinically determined cause of death or health issue isn’t released because it’s private medical information.
The letter by McCullough and Polykretis goes on to compare the blog’s questionable “1,598” figure of recent incidents to a 2006 study that found 1,101 reports of sudden cardiac death in athletes over a 38-year period, or an average of 29 per year. Some posts shared online also used numbers from the two sources to baselessly claim there has been a “1700% increase” in sudden cardiac deaths among athletes.
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The 2006 analysis, however, reviewed literature specifically for reports of sudden cardiac death among athletes under the age of 35. The study also noted that its findings were limited because “SCD in young athletes as reported in the published and studied papers is certainly underestimated.”
Dr. Neel Chokshi, medical director of Penn Medicine’s Sports Cardiology and Fitness Program, said it would be “inaccurate” to make conclusions by comparing the 2006 study and the blog’s figures.
“Typically, research and scientific data are peer reviewed under a fairly rigorous process to evaluate the methods used to obtain the data and perform the analysis,” Chokshi said in an email. “This is important for several reasons including ensuring the data is accurate, free from unforeseen biases and potential confounders.”
Chokshi added that it’s important to verify the circumstances around a reported death or event to confirm that it was in fact heart-related — something the blog doesn’t do.
“The data presented here does not support the notion that vaccines have caused an increase in sudden death,” he said.
The COVID-19 vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna do carry a rare risk — most frequently for young men — of myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart, though experts and officials say the benefits of vaccination outweigh the risks.
Cardiologists have told the AP there have been instances of athletes experiencing sudden cardiac death and cardiac arrest long before the COVID-19 pandemic and that they have not observed the dramatic increase alleged on social media.
Experts say it’s too soon to know what caused Hamlin’s heart to stop, though they’ve offered a rare type of trauma called commotio cordis as among the possible culprits. Physicians interviewed by the AP say there’s no indication Hamlin’s vaccine status played a role.
McCullough and Fox News did not immediately return requests for comment.
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This story has been updated to include additional examples of the false claim.
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Associated Press writers Ali Swenson and Sophia Tulp contributed to this report.
AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. The researchers cited a number from a blog that lists news stories about recent deaths and medical emergencies among people of all ages, from all over the world — some of which were attributed to other causes, such as cancer. The previous figure, meanwhile, is from a 2006 study that specifically reviewed literature for reports of sudden cardiac deaths among athletes under age 35. Comparing the two sources, with different methodologies, is not scientifically sound, experts told The Associated Press.
THE FACTS: Following Buffalo Bills safety Damar Hamlin’s cardiac arrest during a game Monday, social media posts and Fox News gave air to a long-circulating and faulty narrative that COVID-19 vaccines are causing a dramatic increase in athlete deaths.
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“Cardiologist Peter McCullough and researcher Panagis Polykretis looked into this trend in Europe, European sports leagues. They found that prior to COVID and the COVID-19 vaccines there were roughly 29 cardiac arrests in those European sports leagues per year,” Fox’s Tucker Carlson claimed in a segment Tuesday night. “Since the vax campaign began, there have been more than 1,500 total cardiac arrests in those leagues and two-thirds of those were fatal.”
Carlson was in fact referencing a letter, not a rigorous study, that McCullough and Polykretis published in a Scandinavian journal in late 2022.
That letter does claim that “1598 athletes suffered cardiac arrest, 1101 of which with deadly outcome” between January 2021 and late 2022 — but it simply cites a blog, goodsciencing.com, for that figure.
The blog’s list is a compilation of news reports about recent deaths and medical emergencies, and it includes cases not reported to be spurred by cardiac arrest: Some deaths, for example, were reportedly from cancer.
The list also includes incidents from around the world and among people of all ages — including some in their 70s and 80s — not just athletes in “European sports leagues,” as Carlson claimed.
For example, the list now includes a 71-year-old woman who died at home in Canada in December even while acknowledging her cause of death was not known and that her obituary suggested donations to a cancer charity. It also cites a news story about a 61-year-old Italian athletic trainer who reportedly died shortly after being diagnosed with leukemia.
“It’s not real research,” Dr. Matthew Martinez, director of sports cardiology at Atlantic Health System in Morristown Medical Center, told the AP. “Anybody can write a letter to the editor and then quote an article that has no academic rigor.”
Dr. Jonathan Kim, chief of sports cardiology at Emory University School of Medicine and team cardiologist for Atlanta’s NFL, NBA and MLB teams, similarly said of the blog post: “It’s just shocking to use that as a citation.”
“It’s scientific garbage, you can’t just pull a bunch of media reports,” he added, noting that in some cases a clinically determined cause of death or health issue isn’t released because it’s private medical information.
The letter by McCullough and Polykretis goes on to compare the blog’s questionable “1,598” figure of recent incidents to a 2006 study that found 1,101 reports of sudden cardiac death in athletes over a 38-year period, or an average of 29 per year. Some posts shared online also used numbers from the two sources to baselessly claim there has been a “1700% increase” in sudden cardiac deaths among athletes.
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The 2006 analysis, however, reviewed literature specifically for reports of sudden cardiac death among athletes under the age of 35. The study also noted that its findings were limited because “SCD in young athletes as reported in the published and studied papers is certainly underestimated.”
Dr. Neel Chokshi, medical director of Penn Medicine’s Sports Cardiology and Fitness Program, said it would be “inaccurate” to make conclusions by comparing the 2006 study and the blog’s figures.
“Typically, research and scientific data are peer reviewed under a fairly rigorous process to evaluate the methods used to obtain the data and perform the analysis,” Chokshi said in an email. “This is important for several reasons including ensuring the data is accurate, free from unforeseen biases and potential confounders.”
Chokshi added that it’s important to verify the circumstances around a reported death or event to confirm that it was in fact heart-related — something the blog doesn’t do.
“The data presented here does not support the notion that vaccines have caused an increase in sudden death,” he said.
The COVID-19 vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna do carry a rare risk — most frequently for young men — of myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart, though experts and officials say the benefits of vaccination outweigh the risks.
Cardiologists have told the AP there have been instances of athletes experiencing sudden cardiac death and cardiac arrest long before the COVID-19 pandemic and that they have not observed the dramatic increase alleged on social media.
Experts say it’s too soon to know what caused Hamlin’s heart to stop, though they’ve offered a rare type of trauma called commotio cordis as among the possible culprits. Physicians interviewed by the AP say there’s no indication Hamlin’s vaccine status played a role.
McCullough and Fox News did not immediately return requests for comment.
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This story has been updated to include additional examples of the false claim.
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Associated Press writers Ali Swenson and Sophia Tulp contributed to this report.

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07-30-2023, 03:59 PM
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Anyone who calls the COVID shot a ‘vaccine’ has laughably discredited themselves considering it required political apparatchiks changing the definition of a ‘vaccine’ twice for them to qualify as-such.
But yeah I trust the FDA to declare these things safe lol, even after multiple euro-States have stopped recommending these ‘vaccines’ to anyone.
This is the misc op, if you expect someone to submit a white paper to you than all your responses prove you’re a disingenuous loser
But yeah I trust the FDA to declare these things safe lol, even after multiple euro-States have stopped recommending these ‘vaccines’ to anyone.
This is the misc op, if you expect someone to submit a white paper to you than all your responses prove you’re a disingenuous loser
07-30-2023, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted By LuigiMiami631⏩
I am a tradie.Work in a hospital? Thought you were a fuking tradie. You trying to mix up stories here or what brah?>
I work in a fuking hospital/research center doing revocations to their labs, you fuking dolt lmao.
Nobody can work on the campus unless they are vax'd. Nobody. Even until this day if you want a badge you have to be vax'd.
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Originally Posted By OPGenesis⏩
Explains why you took vaccine in the first place.I am a tradie.
I work in a fuking hospital/research center doing revocations to their labs, you fuking dolt lmao.
Nobody can work on the campus unless they are vax'd. Nobody. Even until this day if you want a badge you have to be vax'd.
I work in a fuking hospital/research center doing revocations to their labs, you fuking dolt lmao.
Nobody can work on the campus unless they are vax'd. Nobody. Even until this day if you want a badge you have to be vax'd.
Brain cells non existant.
Lmfao
Rap listening *******.
Herp derp, I am alpha because I can use a wrench.
maybe you should back to school buddy. Tradie work making you dumber by the day.
Your fuking cope is: "ya but you can't even swing a hammer or use a wrench, let alone read blueprints."
Lmfao such cope from a bottom feeder.
07-30-2023, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted By Leninist⏩
Hey winny.lmfaooooo
i knew it ahahaha. I fukin knew it.
U LITTLE CHIT. u are fking nothing. insect.
I make more than you sitting on my ass and gaming all day. HOW DOES THAT MAKE U FEEL TRADIE. UMAD?
i knew it ahahaha. I fukin knew it.
U LITTLE CHIT. u are fking nothing. insect.
I make more than you sitting on my ass and gaming all day. HOW DOES THAT MAKE U FEEL TRADIE. UMAD?
Everybody knows I do HVAC work lmao. There was a whole thread in the r/p about it, and my support for Biden being union.
I'm union and make just as much as the research doctors in that building.
My foreman made 100k in 6 months.
Meanwhile, you're still an incel with your dad taking care of you @ 38 years old.
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07-30-2023, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted By OPGenesis⏩
get vaxed get badged. Suck cock some more. We all know why you get spoon fed **** instead of doing actual logical thinking.I am a tradie.
I work in a fuking hospital/research center doing revocations to their labs, you fuking dolt lmao.
Nobody can work on the campus unless they are vax'd. Nobody. Even until this day if you want a badge you have to be vax'd.
I work in a fuking hospital/research center doing revocations to their labs, you fuking dolt lmao.
Nobody can work on the campus unless they are vax'd. Nobody. Even until this day if you want a badge you have to be vax'd.
Don't worry, all that sun you get must have fried your brain.
07-30-2023, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted By LuigiMiami631⏩
Mensa clocked me in @ 117, pal.get vaxed get badged. Suck cock some more. We all know why you get spoon fed **** instead of doing actual logical thinking.
Don't worry, all that sun you get must have fried your brain.
Don't worry, all that sun you get must have fried your brain.
Suck my cawk lol.
And then provide evidence, instead of derailing my thread.
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07-30-2023, 04:08 PM
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07-30-2023, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted By Leninist⏩
LMAOOOOOO.LOL lmaoooo
You lied and said u teach physics, but u don't. LMAO
I'd be mad too if I were a tradie.
You lied and said u teach physics, but u don't. LMAO
I'd be mad too if I were a tradie.
Never, have I EVER, claimed any incel activity like that.
I'd be embarrassed and rope if my life came down to teaching physics lmaoooo.
Or any autistic/incel STEM subject.
Originally Posted By kusok⏩
Source please?Latest study confirms a big increase in heart issues. It’s been proven.

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Originally Posted By OPGenesis⏩
union...explains it all right there.LMAOOOOOO.
Never, have I EVER, claimed any incel activity like that.
I'd be embarrassed and rope if my life came down to teaching physics lmaoooo.
Or any autistic/incel STEM subject.
Never, have I EVER, claimed any incel activity like that.
I'd be embarrassed and rope if my life came down to teaching physics lmaoooo.
Or any autistic/incel STEM subject.
Bunch of whiney cry babies. Oh I don't get paid enough, I need time off.
Lmfao.
I would rope myself if I had to resort to do tradie work like you.
Especially considering you have to raise your bastard kid with the town bicycle you decided to get impregnated right?
Don't worry, your useless son will grow up to be just like his dad. **** for brains, can't think and most likely will die from heart issues as well.
When your funeral happens, I will just contact your ex and find out where to send the flowers to...provided she is not fuking another loser like yourself.
07-30-2023, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted By OPGenesis⏩
Hey winny.
Everybody knows I do HVAC work lmao. There was a whole thread in the r/p about it, and my support for Biden being union.
I'm union and make just as much as the research doctors in that building.
My foreman made 100k in 6 months.
Meanwhile, you're still an incel with your dad taking care of you @ 38 years old.
Everybody knows I do HVAC work lmao. There was a whole thread in the r/p about it, and my support for Biden being union.
I'm union and make just as much as the research doctors in that building.
My foreman made 100k in 6 months.
Meanwhile, you're still an incel with your dad taking care of you @ 38 years old.
Originally Posted By OPGenesis⏩
MENSA CLOCKED ME IN AT 117 PALMensa clocked me in @ 117, pal.
Suck my cawk lol.
And then provide evidence, instead of derailing my thread.
Suck my cawk lol.
And then provide evidence, instead of derailing my thread.

lmfao
07-30-2023, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted By Leninist⏩
Yea, just like you said I was Russian for years lmao.lmao u did u just have a bad memory
shh it's ok no more tears
If u could teach physics, u wouldn't be a tradie after all
shh it's ok no more tears
If u could teach physics, u wouldn't be a tradie after all
Get out of the basement, incel.
You’re 38 years old for crying out loud, talking about physics and math tutoring.
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Originally Posted By OPGenesis⏩
Already provided evidence nimrod. Go check the first page. You sure you are not adding an extra digit to that mensa score?Mensa clocked me in @ 117, pal.
Suck my cawk lol.
And then provide evidence, instead of derailing my thread.
Suck my cawk lol.
And then provide evidence, instead of derailing my thread.
Fuking tradie strikes again.
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Originally Posted By explosiveMidget⏩
pzifer buying myocarditis tech companies is all the proof you need - playing the long game for more dollarsIncluding babies and toddlers but that was pretty common before the vax too, right??
wait for more heart attacks to happen
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07-30-2023, 04:15 PM
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So, all we have is the same old shyt lol.
Cope with no evidence that the vax is behind athlete cardiovascular problems.
Cope with no evidence that the vax is behind athlete cardiovascular problems.
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Originally Posted By OPGenesis⏩
Then go explain several countries banning the vaccine. Or did you just miss that completely.So, all we have is the same old shyt lol.
Cope with no evidence that the vax is behind athlete cardiovascular problems.
Cope with no evidence that the vax is behind athlete cardiovascular problems.
07-30-2023, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted By Leninist⏩
Yea, I was a Russian physicist in your dads basement world lmao.U were acting like a Russian lmao. Now I see u were just cucked and duped by a manhattan billionaire who spoke to u at a 5th grade level lmfaoooo
btw u r right about antivaxxers...they are filth and should be executed
btw u r right about antivaxxers...they are filth and should be executed
How many alts you on this month?
AND PLEASE, CAN SOMEBODY PROVIDE EVIDENCE THAT THE VAX IS BEHIND ATHLETE CARDIOVASCULAR PROBLEMS???
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07-30-2023, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted By LuigiMiami631⏩
Why are you diverting from the OP, you absolute stupid fuk?Then go explain several countries banning the vaccine. Or did you just miss that completely.
I mentioned nothing about countries banning vaccines.
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[QUOTE=LuigiMiami631 post_id=1687475903][img]https://i.gyazo.com/b2deea34c35461a8f6ad8c0343d6fc8f.png[/mg][/QUOTE]Jesus Christ you are a fuking idiot.
Holy fuk.
Holy fuk.
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Originally Posted By Condo41⏩
Yet cardiac arrest was a leading cause of death in athletes... prior to 2020. So maybe rely on actual Facts instead of your memory.How about the fact that it's happening at all?
Before vaxxes I've never seen 1 video of athletes dropping dead. DJs dropping dead. Comedians dropping dead.
Never one.
Now I've seen, what, 35?
Before vaxxes I've never seen 1 video of athletes dropping dead. DJs dropping dead. Comedians dropping dead.
Never one.
Now I've seen, what, 35?
"Sudden cardiac death (SCD) is the most frequent medical cause of sudden death in athletes..."
Date:2016
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4969030/
And it was nothing new to anyone under 35...
"Sudden Cardiac Arrest in a Young Population: Not So Unpredictable"
Date:2019
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/JAHA.118.011700
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