This guy said it perfectly, he knows from actual experience.Jesus ****ing lol, don't do the card thing anymore. And this is why you need to get sliced and diced, six figures isn't enough to get pussy wet. I've ****ed girls on the "first date" while having fifteen dollars in my checking account lol. You remind me so much of this autistic kid I know, it's super eerie.

But it is good that you have the desire and drive to want to improve! You need to keep approaching so you get better at talking to girls. The first time I did it, it felt like my heart would explode out of my chest, and now I can strike up a conversation with pretty much anyone anywhere. And when you know you look good and girls are always staring, it's way easier to be confident. There were a couple times in my life when I couldn't get any action at all (namely the pandemic), and that **** was ****ing brutal. Never give up!

This lol at miscers believing they need to be millionaires to fck hot girls.

The most broke ****z fck the hottest girls all the time, miscers need to log off and approach irl.

You should've made this thread when Blackjesus was around, you'd be swimming in puss.

You probably need to consciously abandon the mindset of "I have a lot to tell them." You don't. They can get to know you over time once you're actually hanging out. Most people, especially women, prefer to talk about themselves and will gravitate toward people who give them the opportunity to do that. Offering them a bunch of information about yourself right off the bat will very quickly become boring, and they will disengage.

wow op is cringe why are u so creepy
negged

[QUOTE=jamiejammer post_id=1687559383]You don't need to use AAS to get girls, but being in shape makes it way easier. Throughout most of my life I was 150-180 lbs at 6'5", and usually the leaner I was the more girls I got. The real key is to be LEAN because it makes the face looks so much better. And you can get away with so much more **** and **** her on the first day if the girl is very attracted to you. I've met girls in the most random places in broad daylight just walking around New York, and end up ****ing within a couple hours sometimes (even when I barely had any money living in some **** place with roommates somewhere). But I'm also taller than 99% of people and look way better than most, and if I started AAS and GH the first day in the gym I'd have been with 500+ girls now instead of about 100.

Get lean now! When I was skinny as **** I had lots of female attention because I had a lean face that girls usually loved. Now that I'm in the process of getting shredded while being way heavier, it's gonna be so sick.

But also keep in mind that I would get rejected a lot, so for you it's gonna be so much harder. This is why you should use tren.[/QUOTE]I am still bulking, as I need to gain more muscle. First picture is me in[b]March '22[/b]. I was doing bodyweight exercises at home. I was about 145 lbs. Second picture is me[b]today[/b], at 172 lbs (4 months into gym) and will continually monitor my progress. I'm trying to gain as little fat as possible, but it is inevitable considering I need to gain weight. I know my face looked better when I was this lean, but it isn't fat at the moment. I have to get bigger before I can start cutting.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/J7GzzEY.png[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/0AL9Lbo.png[/img]

[QUOTE=jamiejammer post_id=1687559763]This guy said it perfectly, he knows from actual experience.

Jesus ****ing lol, don't do the card thing anymore. And this is why you need to get sliced and diced, six figures isn't enough to get pussy wet. I've ****ed girls on the "first date" while having fifteen dollars in my checking account lol. You remind me so much of this autistic kid I know, it's super eerie.[/QUOTE]I won't do the card thing anymore unless it's a girlfriend. Damn, maybe you know me.[img]//assets.bodybuilding.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=jamiejammer post_id=1687559963]But it is good that you have the desire and drive to want to improve! You need to keep approaching so you get better at talking to girls. The first time I did it, it felt like my heart would explode out of my chest, and now I can strike up a conversation with pretty much anyone anywhere. And when you know you look good and girls are always staring, it's way easier to be confident. There were a couple times in my life when I couldn't get any action at all (namely the pandemic), and that **** was ****ing brutal. Never give up![/QUOTE]Yeah, I approach as often as I can, really. Thank you! I will[b]NOT[/b]give up.[img]//assets.bodybuilding.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=****inator post_id=1687560193]This lol at miscers believing they need to be millionaires to fck hot girls.

The most broke ****z fck the hottest girls all the time, miscers need to log off and approach irl.[/QUOTE]Money never hurts, but as I'm experiencing, success with women isn't directly correlated with money.

[QUOTE=jamiejammer post_id=1687560593]Being rich definitely helps a lot, but you gotta make a ton to be able to get any girl you want. And there's nothing like when a girl is truly attracted to you and wants to **** because she wants YOU, not a shopping spree or some dumb **** that rich guys do for girls. But I'm also not desperate and have actually turned DOWN pussy at various times in my life.

This is an interesting analysis on women that I came across a while ago.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/PQNdqGK.jpg[img]

Who do you think is getting more bitches (it's the same guy in both pics lol)

[img]https://i.imgur.com/mdFIHIT.jpg[img][/QUOTE]Crazy transformation, but still not worth the increased aging and internal side effects. True love is the only love I'm after. I don't want to be a sugar daddy or a[i]John[/i].

[QUOTE=Prose Edda post_id=1687563573]You should've made this thread when Blackjesus was around, you'd be swimming in puss.[/QUOTE]Damn, I remember that guy. Sheesh, well I guess I missed the boat. I was probably low T back then.

[QUOTE=bradlehman post_id=1687571003]You probably need to consciously abandon the mindset of "I have a lot to tell them." You don't. They can get to know you over time once you're actually hanging out. Most people, especially women, prefer to talk about themselves and will gravitate toward people who give them the opportunity to do that. Offering them a bunch of information about yourself right off the bat will very quickly become boring, and they will disengage.[/QUOTE]I like this. I will do my best to stop volunteering information that they never asked for. I've had a habit of doing that because I'm so excited to be talking to them and I think if I say something interesting about me it will make them want to get to know me.

[QUOTE=Hey_Jay post_id=1687596433]wow op is cringe why are u so creepy
negged[/QUOTE]Thanks for the negs.

Bro, when you talk to girls you get them to talk about themselves since most of them are self-absorbed ****s lol. And the true love thing is really a Disney fairy tale, although I did meet a great girl last year that I'm still with (I literally approached hundreds of girls before I met her though). And you need to be way more aggressive, the nice guy thing doesn't work unless you're super good-looking, and even then it's better to be pretty arrogant in general lol.



This was me during the pandemic at 6'5", 156 lbs. I was depressed as **** from being super lonely and isolated all the time (I still can't believe that gay **** actually happened).





This is me the other day just chilling on my couch.



Now, most of the girls in my life I got when I was skinny as ****, but I'm also 6'5" with good facial features and a full head of hair. Now that I mog the **** out of most people everywhere I go, girls are always staring, and I could literally get a new girl everyday if I wanted to (especially if I lowered my standards). Looking better than everyone else allows you to get away with way more **** bro, you have no idea. If you lived in New York I'd turn you into a slayer, I hate seeing **** like this.

[QUOTE=jamiejammer post_id=1687618273]Bro, when you talk to girls you get them to talk about themselves since most of them are self-absorbed ****s lol. And the true love thing is really a Disney fairy tale, although I did meet a great girl last year that I'm still with (I literally approached hundreds of girls before I met her though). And you need to be way more aggressive, the nice guy thing doesn't work unless you're super good-looking, and even then it's better to be pretty arrogant in general lol.

[youtube]NXjOOQQtXZM[youtube]

This was me during the pandemic at 6'5", 156 lbs. I was depressed as **** from being super lonely and isolated all the time (I still can't believe that gay **** actually happened).

[img]https://i.imgur.com/7bZYVRg.jpg[img]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/EVQmrCe.jpg[img]

This is me the other day just chilling on my couch.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/IqbYduy.jpeg[img]

Now, most of the girls in my life I got when I was skinny as ****, but I'm also 6'5" with good facial features and a full head of hair. Now that I mog the **** out of most people everywhere I go, girls are always staring, and I could literally get a new girl everyday if I wanted to (especially if I lowered my standards). Looking better than everyone else allows you to get away with way more **** bro, you have no idea. If you lived in New York I'd turn you into a slayer, I hate seeing **** like this.[/QUOTE]I caught myself texting a female earlier and turning the conversation from about her to about me. Doesn't matter in that context because her and I have known each other for years and it isn't like we're trying to be a couple. However, I am becoming more conscious of this bad habit. It's a knee-jerk reaction, similar to how I've put myself down in front of women.

Congrats on finding a girl - das it, mane. Nice Quagmire clip. It definitely has some merit.

Being 6'5" must be insane. That's a great height. You look bigger now. I understand that looking better helps. It provides more opportunities. That's what I'm working on now. I'll continue to work hard and post progress pics. I have over a month of PTO. I should probably travel so I can get better pictures to show to girls on IG. I appreciate that. Never been to NY.

Mildly interesting update:The woman from post #53 (https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1686831143) read my message this past Sunday. Since she didn't turnRead Receiptsoff, this means she didn't open the message for 10 days. I messed things up with her (see post #103:https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1687190153).

Bruh, you actually believe a girl is going to wait 10 days to read a message?

She read it within 10mins.

Yeah, OP sounds so low test but I always wondered why such convos do.
Is it the retarded smiley faces, the try-hard to sound funny, the fact that OP is too pussy to be more formal?

I'm always trying to find psychological reason behind such stuff. Have noticed that the smiley faces are low-test since they are ''safe'' - like you can always say you were joking if she rejects you and the retarded emojis are kind of an Alibi. Basically, with emojis you are too pussy to tell your intentions with a straight face.

She's got read receipts on and the message is too long to be read without opening it. I believe she did wait that long, haha. I think she really dislikes me.I'm pretty formal. In fact, some in this thread have gotten on me for how formal my writing is at times. I get it. I'm learning. I am sharing things and trying to make progress. I'm not going for low T sounding messages.

UPDATE:Went to the gym today. I am getting a haircut on Friday. I realize how important it is to wear decent clothing, even if I'm at the gym. For example, my blue t-shirt looks better on me than my white t-shirt. Also, I must do my hair at the gym before I start exercising. This way, my hair's done and it looks much better than post-bike-ride hair. I also like wearing my older frames (glasses). Looking into getting a new pair of glasses by the end of the year. I did see an attractive female there. I will approach her next time and ask her about the t-shirt she was wearing today. I remember it.

I haven't heard back from the woman in post #188 (https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1687464233).

The woman from post #194 (https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1687547383) removed me from following her on IG.

The woman from post #184 (https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1687412823) enjoyed hanging out with me and wants to do something again this weekend, if she's available. Her and I are just friends, but we may try something. We're both not interested in a relationship with each other.

I am not having any success on Tinder. A few things I need to work on include taking more pictures for IG and approaching more women at the gym. I have a day trip to Austin on Monday, so I'll try to take a pic or two with other humans.

OP why are you like this, srs. Did you not socialize at all growing up?

You claim to be intelligent, yet can't figure this out?

I mean, you must have literally zero clue how women operate.

Lold hard

OP reminds me of will from the inbetweeners

I got bullied as a kid and never had a dad growing up. I had low self-confidence for a long time. I was invisible to women. I am slightly more visible now, in my opinion. Confidence is improving, especially since I've been going to the gym, seeing results in my physique, and getting a few phone numbers. This thread has helped. I don't have many friends. I've been reaching out to people I haven't talked to in a while in an effort to see if they're interested in knowing me again. I had some friends here and there growing up, but I was never popular.

I don't think I'm that intelligent, but I do try hard if I'm passionate about something. What are you referring to? I'm a bit confused. When I sent my first text to her I could see she viewed it the next morning and she replied right after viewing. The second text I sent her saidDelivereduntil I checked this past Monday and it saidRead Sunday. I don't know much about how women operate. I've never had a real gf. I've only dated.Thank you. She was so fun to talk to! She laughed several times during our short conversation.

She read it but didn't want you to know she read it.

She put on airplane mode or whatever the fuk chicks do, and read the message. She probably went back and read it again on Sunday, maybe screenshotting or showing it to her friends who were in the gym that day.

Finally checked this thread out. Your title is 0/10, but I'm stuck here for several hours.

OP this thread is pretty good, I shouldn't have discounted it. Pics and responses, multi quote. How old are you? I feel like you're skinny, so I'm surprised to see guys telling you to get leaner.

I didn't know something like that is possible. I figured she turned offRead Receiptsfor our chat, but she didn't. I got my first iPhone in February of last year (srs). Before that I was using really old Androids.

Do you have any advice on what to do with the woman from (post #188:https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1687464233)? It clearly isn't over, but she's not showing interest. You said to put in less effort, but I've hardly done anything except approach her and text her two times. It's been over a week since I first met her.Thank you very much and congrats on your first post here (srs). I will rep you on recharge. I'm 33 years old. The title was just something that quickly popped into my mind when I was thinking about messaging women. A recent picture of me is the second pic from post #218 (https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1687598323).

I agree, I need to continue bulking. I was thinking how badass it would be to fill out more, kind of like the picture below. He's 216 lbs and seems to be somewhere around my height. At that point I'd cut and get lean.

You haven't done anything wrong with her. Looks like she's a single mom, so if she's also working she might be legit busy so no point beating around the bush.

If you want to pursue, ask if she wants to grab coffee or drinks next time you see her.

Thank you for the advice.

If there's an opening to talk with her then I'll ask her out for drinks at ahappeningarea downtown.

Doesn't have to be at a "happening" area downtown. Go with convenience than flash. Close the deal asap so you get that date with the least path of resistance for her to get to know you face to face over a cup of coffee rather than your awkward texts.

If she's busy irl, nailing a date that's out of her way may not happen in a timely matter, if at all.

Funniest Misc thread in a minute

It helps so much you have no idea, if I told you some stories you probably wouldn't believe them.It sucks that a nice guy like you can't get any action at all, but that's the way of the world. You need to look better than everyone else or be super rich to really stand out (srs). You also need to be very aggressive (in life in general), and when you realize that most bitches ain't ****, ironically you'll get way more of them.Being lean is everything for attractiveness. I got tons of female attention when I looked like this.



It's better to have a classically-proportioned physique AND be lean at the same time though, like this.

You'll never look anything like that naturally lol, especially with your genetics. Start taking a bunch of AAS and watch how girls are suddenly way more interested in what you have to say...

****ing lol, you can say whatever you want and use the silliest emojis if a girl is really into you. And I was on test at this time.



I just went up to this girl on the street on a normal day and I could have ****ed her within a couple hours, but I had **** to do that night lol. I also grabbed her ass a bunch of times and was making out with her before I left. You guys have no idea.

And OP, DO NOT EVER be friends with a girl that you wanna ****, that's for ***s only!

[QUOTE=Tuksonrider post_id=1687685253]Doesn't have to be at a "happening" area downtown. Go with convenience than flash. Close the deal asap so you get that date with the least path of resistance for her to get to know you face to face over a cup of coffee rather than your awkward texts.

If she's busy irl, nailing a date that's out of her way may not happen in a timely matter, if at all.[/QUOTE]Thank you, dad. I've changed downtown to a closer area that still has a great selection of restaurants and bars. She's typically with a female friend at the gym. It makes things more difficult, but I'm going to ask in person when appropriate.

P.S. I'm looking forward to showing you how my hair looks after tomorrow's haircut.

[QUOTE=RogerDuck post_id=1687688623]Funniest Misc thread in a minute[/QUOTE]Thank you very much.[img]//assets.bodybuilding.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=jamiejammer post_id=1687708943]It helps so much you have no idea, if I told you some stories you probably wouldn't believe them.

It sucks that a nice guy like you can't get any action at all, but that's the way of the world. You need to look better than everyone else or be super rich to really stand out (srs). You also need to be very aggressive (in life in general), and when you realize that most bitches ain't ****, ironically you'll get way more of them.

Being lean is everything for attractiveness. I got tons of female attention when I looked like this.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/5GJl7SY.jpg[img]

It's better to have a classically-proportioned physique AND be lean at the same time though, like this.

[img]https://www.greatestphysiques.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Bob-no11.jpg[img]

You'll never look anything like that naturally lol, especially with your genetics. Start taking a bunch of AAS and watch how girls are suddenly way more interested in what you have to say...[/QUOTE]Bob Paris looked great, I agree. He was also on the sauce. I'm not going back to my previous form because I looked like a twink. You're right about being aggressive. I think of it as being assertive. Yes, I may not be able to get that heavy and that lean without[i]supplements[/i], but we'll see what these next few months have in store for me. I'm religious about tracking every single thing I eat; that's been the biggest reason for my weight gain so far.

[QUOTE=jamiejammer post_id=1687710683]****ing lol, you can say whatever you want and use the silliest emojis if a girl is really into you. And I was on test at this time.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/r82smmn.jpg[img]

I just went up to this girl on the street on a normal day and I could have ****ed her within a couple hours, but I had **** to do that night lol. I also grabbed her ass a bunch of times and was making out with her before I left. You guys have no idea.

And OP, DO NOT EVER be friends with a girl that you wanna ****, that's for ***s only![/QUOTE]Yeah, she's very into you. I hardly know that feel. That woman I'm friends with is someone I just started hanging out with again. I'm not interested in her romantically, but would fool around with if given the chance (hey, it's been a while[img]//assets.bodybuilding.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]). It's a one-off type of situation.

Got my haircut. Not pleased with it because too much length was taken from the top. I believe the sides should be a little shorter as well. Also, I'm noticing how the bulk has increased my body fat percentage. I can't wait to eventually cut so I can get a lean face again.

didn't read the rest of the thread

u smooch any gals yet or nah