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Thread: **OFFICIAL** Trading and Investing Thread: Part XVI -- BAG HOLDING EDITION

post 1688170233 08-11-2023, 10:03 AM
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Sorry cano brahs, I know them feels with hlth
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post 1688170883 08-11-2023, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted By SipNPiz⏩
Sorry cano brahs, I know them feels with hlth
I think it was just me lulz. It’s okay I didn’t buy shares for this exact reason. I shouldda held calls and puts knowing it was legitimately all or nothing. They were laying people off and selling physical location assets. Writing was on the way either they managed to get acquired or they were in BIG trouble. Imo they might actually be oversold at this point, but I’m not willing to take the hit twice. They still have 3.2B yearly revenue from their clinics and they forced out the shytbag CEO and will be forcing the rest of his idiot board out now too. Mark Kent will be a great CEO and he will have solid backing from the big 3 shareholders. I just don’t think they can get a high enough buyout to justify the risk, but that is probably when the chance is actually highest.

I had a solid week otherwise. Payo and EGY both had solid earnings so you definitely win some and lose some. Sofi dogging hard so at least my CCs are printing? Ayyy lmao. Time to buy some $8 CSP.

Jury still out on FNMA junior preferred shareholder trial. If that comes back in favor of plaintiffs ho le fuk my portfolio will print. If not probably a couple more years to wait. I’m not optimistic on jury ruling it’s probably 40/60 tbh.
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post 1688174393 08-11-2023, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted By baroni01⏩
So this is what i'm in currently:

VQNPX
VB
VTI
VUG
VXUS

Can you all recommend anything better? I don't really do single stocks like a lot of you do just index funds.
personally not a fan of diversification. more diversification sacrifices long term gain in the guise of safety.

but if you must:
QQQ
SPY
IWM
post 1688175373 08-11-2023, 11:34 AM
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I’ve never seen a company get sold all the freaking way to ZERO like cano is. Where tf the halts?! Lmao. I sold my Sept calls for 25 cents on the dollar($4 each) which shocked me I assumed they were worth 0. IV is a hellofa thing I guess? Not terrible- I sold 40 of my contracts yesterday at $23 and bought $2 calls for today at $5 in their place so I saved a decent chunk doing that and having my order for $4 each not get filled. Lost $200 on the calls expiring today and $720 on Sept expiry. Got 15 Jan $3 for $20 each I’ll hold till I can maybe get $10 or just let ‘em expire worthless. This HAS to be oversold… but I think Barry and his board group are selling off and gonna let Marlow and crew go to 0. Phuck em.
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post 1688176183 08-11-2023, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted By RobParks2M⏩
I’ve never seen a company get sold all the freaking way to ZERO like cano is. Where tf the halts?! Lmao. I sold my Sept calls for 25 cents on the dollar($4 each) which shocked me I assumed they were worth 0. IV is a hellofa thing I guess? Not terrible- I sold 40 of my contracts yesterday at $23 and bought $2 calls for today at $5 in their place so I saved a decent chunk doing that and having my order for $4 each not get filled. Lost $200 on the calls expiring today and $720 on Sept expiry. Got 15 Jan $3 for $20 each I’ll hold till I can maybe get $10 or just let ‘em expire worthless. This HAS to be oversold… but I think Barry and his board group are selling off and gonna let Marlow and crew go to 0. Phuck em.
is it time to buy in though?
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Originally Posted By RobParks2M⏩
I’ve never seen a company get sold all the freaking way to ZERO like cano is. Where tf the halts?! Lmao. I sold my Sept calls for 25 cents on the dollar($4 each) which shocked me I assumed they were worth 0. IV is a hellofa thing I guess? Not terrible- I sold 40 of my contracts yesterday at $23 and bought $2 calls for today at $5 in their place so I saved a decent chunk doing that and having my order for $4 each not get filled. Lost $200 on the calls expiring today and $720 on Sept expiry. Got 15 Jan $3 for $20 each I’ll hold till I can maybe get $10 or just let ‘em expire worthless. This HAS to be oversold… but I think Barry and his board group are selling off and gonna let Marlow and crew go to 0. Phuck em.
I remember when you first started talking about CANO, I looked into it to see if I thought it might be a viable play and I saw that CVS was in "exclusive" talks to buy it out but backed out, I forget why but Humana had also backed out.

I figured no one would buy it and it would go bankrupt since they couldn't cover cost of operations and I expected it to get worst.

I didn't say anything though because I don't think you respect my opinion and I didn't want you to double down in defiance lol.
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post 1688177643 08-11-2023, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted By thatsnarf⏩
is it time to buy in though?
I almost want to buy shares at 40 cents and sell $0.50 contracts for Jan 2024 at $20 each so I’d have half the amount covered. But I’m not patient and I don’t know if the juice is worth the squeeze.

@abzu I’d listen if you presented a logical argument. I don’t put my money into play based on my feelz so wouldn’t double down out of spite either. Humana has right of first refusal so they’ve just been patient and let the founder destroy the company for the sake of his ego. They probably will acquire their care facilities either in bankruptcy precedings or maybe buy the company at $1 lol. Aka 10% of the ipo price.
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post 1688179623 08-11-2023, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted By RobParks2M⏩
I almost want to buy shares at 40 cents and sell $0.50 contracts for Jan 2024 at $20 each so I’d have half the amount covered. But I’m not patient and I don’t know if the juice is worth the squeeze.

@abzu I’d listen if you presented a logical argument. I don’t put my money into play based on my feelz so wouldn’t double down out of spite either. Humana has right of first refusal so they’ve just been patient and let the founder destroy the company for the sake of his ego. They probably will acquire their care facilities either in bankruptcy precedings or maybe buy the company at $1 lol. Aka 10% of the ipo price.
had a buy order at .40 then removed it right when it got around there. was only gonna get around 2k worth lol. it's like .46 now fuk
post 1688203253 08-11-2023, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted By thatsnarf⏩
had a buy order at .40 then removed it right when it got around there. was only gonna get around 2k worth lol. it's like .46 now fuk
Might be for the best. Who knows what kind of lawsuits are going to spring from this. They never should have done business with “lifewallet” MSP which was a fukkin scam. The CEO also self dealt a TON awarding multi million dollar contracts to his dad to do maintenance for the clinics and his mothers dental company for their employees. Not to mention he filled the board with his cronies and refused to step down when he destroyed the value of the company. I hope he goes to jail what a crook.
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post 1688347263 08-14-2023, 01:05 PM
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Anyone had a look at Scion Asset mgmt's latest 13F. Burry with a whopping 1.3B in puts on SPY & QQQ lmao. Although this is data from the past 3 months, I'm thinking he's still in. Expiration dates not disclosed of course.
post 1688347903 08-14-2023, 01:14 PM
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Fannie mae—- we fukkin did it boyos. We won- the amended terms to the senior preferred shares was illegal deemed by a jury of our fuking peers. My position is up like $3,500. Lots more gain coming I’m sure. This is just the beginning and no one has even jumped on shares yet. There is still time fellas.



They are going to have to unravel it. This should push them back to free markets much sooner!
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post 1688351493 08-14-2023, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted By CretBrah⏩
Anyone had a look at Scion Asset mgmt's latest 13F. Burry with a whopping 1.3B in puts on SPY & QQQ lmao. Although this is data from the past 3 months, I'm thinking he's still in. Expiration dates not disclosed of course.
1.3B is notional value so actual cost of his contracts is substantially less.
post 1688355323 08-14-2023, 03:08 PM
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Zoom out.
Hmmmmmm
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post 1688363023 08-14-2023, 05:26 PM
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Unsure how much this moves the needle but Pfizer is shipping their RSV vaccine to hospitals and pharmacy’s in bulk ahead of the upcoming flu season. I’ve estimated their initial shipment for each pharmacy chain alone is worth roughly $50 million in sales. It’ll continue to go up as vaccines go in arms and EVERY pharmacy chain is going to try and push these as fast as they can. Easily gonna get $1 billion in sales before year end if they get 1/20th of the interest people over 60 have for flu vaccines. Of course it’ll depend on insurance coverage and such as well. Still $1billon in sales is nothing to scoff at.

Looking at roughly $250 a shot
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post 1688454763 08-16-2023, 09:24 AM
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Dead thread lately jeeeeze.

Fnma and Fmcc popping as people are slowly learning what has happened. I’m up to 13,000 shares fukkin pray for my boyos
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post 1688458023 08-16-2023, 10:24 AM
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Glad to have sold my AMZN calls at the top. I'll look to reenter at $129 and below.
post 1688467803 08-16-2023, 01:06 PM
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Aight fellas imma call it. 1 more 0.25 hike max and we done raising rates. 30 year 4.35% and I doubt it goes over 4.5 for a meaningful amount of time if at all.
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post 1688471793 08-16-2023, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted By RobParks2M⏩
Dead thread lately jeeeeze.

Fnma and Fmcc popping as people are slowly learning what has happened. I’m up to 13,000 shares fukkin pray for my boyos
People only post in here to brag about their trades lol. Market going down = less profitability, less opportunities to brag for green square points
Originally Posted By RobParks2M⏩
Aight fellas imma call it. 1 more 0.25 hike max and we done raising rates. 30 year 4.35% and I doubt it goes over 4.5 for a meaningful amount of time if at all.
What's your thesis for that? I'm kind of on-board. I was in the "inflation is being underestimated and will stay sticky for a long time" camp. I thought we'd be done by now but consumer data has been way stickier than I anticipated. My thesis for why we can't do more than 2 more is that something is going to break badly if we keep hiking the way we have. Things are already slow and we have negative catalysts on the horizon in terms of the consumer. Between that and gov interest payments exceeding 10 figures soon, I just don't see how it's possible to keep going higher much longer
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I don't have the time to post but posted to watch out.

Like week+ ago.

Market was setting up for pull back.

Infinite up bid had to end someday.

NVDA can still bounce next week whole market if their earnings are out of this world. cause AI hype train


10 year yields are moving higher because shocker inflation bottomed.


10 year yield should go 5%+ and than something can go boom.

maybe more banks go bye bye

remember September is brutal month for stocks always has been.
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Seems like the O&G play is finally coming home to roost
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Originally Posted By imbeingcereal⏩
People only post in here to brag about their trades lol. Market going down = less profitability, less opportunities to brag for green square points



What's your thesis for that? I'm kind of on-board. I was in the "inflation is being underestimated and will stay sticky for a long time" camp. I thought we'd be done by now but consumer data has been way stickier than I anticipated. My thesis for why we can't do more than 2 more is that something is going to break badly if we keep hiking the way we have. Things are already slow and we have negative catalysts on the horizon in terms of the consumer. Between that and gov interest payments exceeding 10 figures soon, I just don't see how it's possible to keep going higher much longer
Fnma still pumping. Preferred shares haven’t joined in yet which I presume is a lack of understanding what they are exactly. I will be keen to hear from the government how they plan to move forward since the amended terms to their senior preferred net worth sweep was deemed illegal.

Tbh I just enjoy discussing markets and possible moves from it. My entire thought process is music is nearly over and everyone is about to fly to safety and bonds. Target outlook ugly, Starbucks likely to follow. China outlook ugly. Student loans I still think break the camels back and first payments are technically due Sept 1. Most likely won’t start paying till Oct 1st but pain will be felt by January I imagine. How’s the run off on the fed balance sheet going? Not well.
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Bidenomics is coming for all our asses, there's no escape.
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Originally Posted By ghostfacedup⏩
Bidenomics is coming for all our asses, there's no escape.
Only hold lotto plays crew
Fundamentals don’t matter crew
Fannie Mae to the rescue GANG
$400,000 in preferred shares at par squad


EDIT: to be clear- there has been an obvious pump on commons and it isn’t institutional buying or any other mumbo jumbo it’s pure pumping from some sort of retail group. Commons definitely have their share of risk- depending how the companies are taken out of conservatorship commons could be worthless or diluted to hell. Either way they could be profitable if they aren’t wiped as a whole.
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I went to all cash in October 2021. Stayed out all 2022. Started getting back in the market in Jan 2023. I'm about 40% in the market now. I'm up like 5% ytd..

I think i might take it all back out and go back to 100% cash. With SPAXX paying 5%, I'd rather have that then be invested when the whole things comes crashing down again.

This country sucks. America is over. The financial markets are garbage. I should have skipped maxing out my 401k for 10 years and just used that money to buy real assets.
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Originally Posted By PermaBulk610⏩
I went to all cash in October 2021. Stayed out all 2022. Started getting back in the market in Jan 2023. I'm about 40% in the market now. I'm up like 5% ytd..

I think i might take it all back out and go back to 100% cash. With SPAXX paying 5%, I'd rather have that then be invested when the whole things comes crashing down again.

This country sucks. America is over. The financial markets are garbage. I should have skipped maxing out my 401k for 10 years and just used that money to buy real assets.
Wait, so the market continually rises over time and has never failed to return to ATHs since it's inception and you're pulling out?
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Originally Posted By PermaBulk610⏩
I went to all cash in October 2021. Stayed out all 2022. Started getting back in the market in Jan 2023. I'm about 40% in the market now. I'm up like 5% ytd..

I think i might take it all back out and go back to 100% cash. With SPAXX paying 5%, I'd rather have that then be invested when the whole things comes crashing down again.

This country sucks. America is over. The financial markets are garbage. I should have skipped maxing out my 401k for 10 years and just used that money to buy real assets.
Lol how did you only make 5% when market has been 20% YTD?
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Originally Posted By RobParks2M⏩
Lol how did you only make 5% when market has been 20% YTD?
Must’ve went all in on Bud Light and Target.
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Anyone here a law guru? Interested how legitimate this is?



This makes it sound like the entire senior preferred government shares AND warrants claim by the government are null and void? No way they let it all go just like that right?
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post 1688543873 08-18-2023, 08:25 AM
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Happy Friday Buyday!

The market has been pulling back all week and failed to reach a new ATH, for the time being.

This week's index fund shopping list:

VOO - 28.3%
VUG - 28.3%
VYM - 28.3%
BND - 15%
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Originally Posted By 2020Wellness⏩
Happy Friday Buyday!

The market has been pulling back all week and failed to reach a new ATH, for the time being.

This week's index fund shopping list:

VOO - 28.3%
VUG - 28.3%
VYM - 28.3%
BND - 15%
Hey you said you're mostly Vanguard, would you recommend their Cash Plus Account it's at 4.7% ? I have the Marcus Acct. at 4.3% .. I've heard some people saying to keep it in VMFXX, I mean as far as just emergency savings go..
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