I think part of me is trying to have my cake and eat it too. I'm trying to make up for lost time (i.e., hardly having any sex & not getting to know many women)and find the love of my life. I'd prefer a girl to not have a history of ONS's. I've seen so many attractive women at the gym that it got me thinking that I shouldn't immediately think LTR with someone I hardly know. I figured it would be preferable to date more women and get a better lay of the land. I've done this with other things before where I have a hard time deciding on exactly which path to focus on because I'm interested in several or many different things.

I think I get where you're coming from, and it's understandable. I'm not trying to say you have to find wife material immediately or you've failed. You can date around. I just prefer to have the end goal in mind. As you get older you realize you have less and less time to waste with girls who aren't worth your time. So don't be afraid to politely end things if you see red flags or too many incompatibilities. You wouldn't want to just automatically settle for the first girl who will have you, right? You want to find the right one. I'm not trying to chastise you for potentially wanting ONS or casual hook-ups, I know a lot of people think that way. I just don't think it's wise to waste too much time with that, and don't think it will lead to your long term happiness. It's okay to approach things more casually and just see where things go, you don't have to get your hopes up that it's gonna be forever with every girl. You just have to find a balance between short and long term, I think a good approach is to just go into things open minded, but don't be afraid to get out if there are serious signs that it won't work out. Anyway I think that's my post quota for the next 5 years or so, so I'll let the others chip in. Just wanted to provide my perspective, hope you find some use in it.

Thank you again for sharing. Yes, I find your posts useful. Perhaps you'll still lurk a bit.Lol @ you hitting your post quota for the next 5 years. I don't want to settle because I'd be miserable if I stayed in a bad relationship. It seems healthier to play it cool and not let the expectations ofwhat could begive me crippling anxiety. Perhaps it's more living in the moment and less dwelling on the past or worrying about the future. The main long-term goal is to find a wife. A child would be a bonus.

You're not growing enough facial hair to hide your jaw, so you either need to grow it out or trim it regularly. Don't wait until after your cut, choose one and start doing it now.

The big thing with all that grooming chit - hair, shaving, clothes, whatever - is to signal to other people that you care about your hygiene. Show them that you've put some effort into cleaning yourself.

Wearing a beard is fine. Shaving it daily is fine. Just letting it go for a weekisn'tfine... that signals to other people that you don't care about cleaning yourself. Not shampooing for a month - same chit, you don't care.

Would you want to be with a girl who hadn't showered in a week, or hadn't brushed her teeth in a week? Would you be in a hurry to stick your dink in that? Well girls aren't super thrilled about guys who skimp on hygiene either.

The safety razor stuff is a fun rabbit hole to go down, but in the end, the shaving tool you use is immaterial. You want to take care of your facial hair every day.



ETA: I would be pickier about the hair gel, and buy that nice chit I linked. I went down the hair product rabbit hole trying to hairmaxx, and never found any good hair gel in a grocery store. The online homebrew stuff just craps all over it. Night and day difference.

If you are in Texas, you may be able to find a can of Suavecito in an HEB. That stuff is middling for hair product, but it mogs your average Axe and Old Spice chit. The Crystal Lake stuff is pretty top tier.

Thank you. I placed my order for Crystal Lake. I'll wear it on my date this Saturday. The facial hair is a bit complex. For example, if I have a few zits I'm not going to shave because I think it's bad for the skin to shave over a zit. I'd rather just use my products (e.g., salicylic acid (2.5%) or sulfur (10%)) and wait it out. Also, I think a little bit of facial hair is a different, cool look compared to clean shaven. I do like the lean face, clean shaven look which is something to look forward to. I'll never have a beard because I don't like it and I need the exfoliation from shaving. It helps my pores. Good hygiene in a woman is very attractive. I notice when people are always clean shaven and I get what you mean. Yeah, I'll likely stick to the cartridge razors for now.

The woman I wrote about in post #103 (https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1687190153) loved a photo I sent to her last Friday. She read the message last Friday then loved the image a few hours ago. I know this may not mean anything, but it feels good. I saw her at the gym today and cott damn she is thick in all the right places. Such an HBB. I am thinking of sending her a shirtless selfie when I get under 10% body fat (assuming I don't have a gf of course).



The woman I'm having a date with this Saturday has been texting me and I really enjoy it. We're both getting to learn a lot about each other. It is fun and I feel like she's girlfriend material.

I guess I'm not having a date on Saturday and am not sure what the purpose of meeting her this Saturday is. I'm completely shocked by this because we've texted each other so many times and the messages are so long. She keeps asking me questions and wanting to get to know me. At the end of my previous message to her, I asked her if she's single because she hasn't hinted at anything remotely sexual.

I am working very hard to improve my looks...

Damn brah, thats rough.

Keep your head up op.

I hope you can start to understand that you can’t get invested in a girl that are not in a relationship with or having sex with.

When you start off by treating these girls like you know them or are close to them when you haven’t even been on a date with them yet, it’s sexual repellent.

You’re going through what every guy has gone through, you’re just doing it in a little bit of a later stage in life

This is really confusing now... wtf

Thanks for the reply. What makes it especially tough is how well her and I connect with each other. I'm not putting on a show or being agreeable just to get her on a date with me. It's a genuine connection and I haven't felt that in a long time. She seems like a really great woman.Thanks for the encouragement. I understand I shouldn't be so invested. I think it may be something I have to grow out of through experience, not a switch I can turn off today. The texts I've had with the woman from my previous post have all been great. I'm guessing she's just not attracted to me and is fine with being a friend. She asks me so many questions and seems interested in learning from me. I interpreted that as her being interested in dating me. Yes, I'm an extremely late bloomer when it comes to this.

I agree. She's texted me2424 times in the past6 days. Most of her messages are very long and have multiple questions in them. I mirror her energy a bit, which I'm happy to because her and I share a lot of interests. Here's a text exchange from a few days ago. I highlighted some relevant text.

One piece of advice I will say is don’t assume a girl will be girlfriend material or even a good person until you really know them (for probably at least a couple months)

Lots of people in general will be on their best behavior in the early stages and then their true colors will shine after a while

Just mentioning it because you said this girl seems gf material

I’ve thought the same about sloots way too early sometimes and got burned hard lol

I think most people, including myself, say, "He/She seems nice" when talking about someone we just met. It's theseemsthat is so true because we do notknowif they are nice. It's exactly that in this scenario. She reads most of my messagesimmediately. I thought it was cute, before I learned she's with someone.

Well now you know she isn't a good person. What she's doing is inappropriate unless she's in an open relationship.

Good point. I figured she would elaborate on that. I'll find out soon.

I am not trying to appear self conscious, but I am trying to improve myself. I took this selfie (right). I am using this model's selfie (left) as inspiration for my cutting. I want to update my photo and get closer to the pic on the left. I have a virtual consultation with a well known and accomplished plastic surgeon tomorrow to discuss a possible rhinoplasty.

Sometimes I wonder if you're just trolling us.

I'm serious.

Get lasik or wear contacts to looksmax you have the money

You don't need plastic surgery. That's absurd.

You need to lose the glasses.
You need to be less nerdy.
You need to be less desperate.

I would wear contacts if I had better facial harmony. My nose is too big to go without my glasses.I have a deviated septum and a hooked nose similar to this:

I believe it's worth considering. I'm not sure if I'll go through with it - we'll see what the doctor has to say this afternoon. I'd gladly lose the glasses if I had a more appropriate nose. That would take care of the other two (i.e., it would, by extension, make me less nerdy and less desperate).

Damn if OP is really getting plastic surgery I'm out of his camp and not rooting for him anymore nor giving advice. Das not it mane. That's just pathetic.

I haven't committed to it yet. I'm just having a virtual consultation this afternoon. I don't get why you'd do a 180 on me if I got the surgery. It should be treated more like a cleft palate, not something you shouldn't change or is taboo to change.

It's absolutely pathetic.

why does op text like a fukin white knight cuck

stop sending walls of text

texting should only be to set up dates and be kept minimal until you two actually meet a few times. Otherwise you're just someone she talks to while shes BORED

also did not read full thread.

Isn't it simply part of maximizing one's looks? Plastic surgery is a polarizing topic.Strong signature. I am flexible and dynamic when it comes to texting. I don't follow a strict algorithm or flowchart. Our conversation naturally evolved into longer texts as we've been getting to know each other asynchronously.

No it's not part of looksmaxxing. It's for insecure mentally ill ph4ggots. Imagine the look on your future wife's face when the kid comes out with a nose like yours and she'll have no idea where it came from. Brutal deception.

If I have it done, I'll be open about it and not hide it. I'd never deceive a partner. Please don't be rude about my nose.

Plastic surgery would not change what happened, OP. This texter girl kind of snaked you by leading you on while you were obviously thirsty, but it's not like her SO would have disappeared if you didn't have a deviated septum.

You are playing a numbers game, which is the right way to handle it because people are not predictable atall.All you can do is keep playing it.

If you are really looking at the biggest difference between you and male model phaugette boy, the first things I notice are glasses, facial hair, and the pearl necklace. The necklace is SUPREME ****uettey chit that I would NOT copy, but the other two are low hanging fruit. Much lower than a nasal surgery.

Thank you very much. I am still texting that woman. I'm interested in knowing if she's (1) not into men, (2) in a monogamous relationship with a man, or (3) in an open relationship with a man. I know what you mean, and I hope it doesn't come across as a rash decision to fix a problem because a woman isn't showing sexual interest in me. I will keep approaching at the gym. The cutting is going well so I know my confidence will improve as my body fat decreases. I'll still do my best to be confident and assertive, even if I never get surgery.