And the slide continues

Except CT’s have continued to be proven correct over & over again. Do you even realize a conspiracy is just to act in harmony toward a common end? One having a theory on how this happens occurs in daily life all the time..but please, continue to throw a meaningless term around to slide forums, surely your patterns of behavior here are of the highest intentions.

Does that make the efforts to minimize covid and vilify vaccines a conspiracy? That's a common end.

The covid and covid vaccine theories accepted on this form are not supported by evidence.

Incorrect

It used to be a “conspiracy theory” to say they would not prevent infection.

To say they wouldn’t stop spread.

To say that the injection didn’t stay local to the injection site.

To say that it isn’t quickly removed from the body, and can stay there for months.

To say that it causes autoimmune issues.

To say it causes heart issues.

To say they would keep trying to push them every year.

To say they would make “vaccine passports”.

And plenty of others





All of those “conspiracy theories” ended up being absolutely true.

But masks will stop all that you CT nut

I'm not sure what you mean by that. Pharmaceutical companies routinely get sued and pay out hundreds of millions/billions of dollars in fines and settlements. Often during the lawsuits its found that the companies knew their product would harm people or even cause death but they run the numbers and even if they pay out millions in settlements they still make profits so they are good with it.


If you don't believe me. And don't believe pharmaceutical companies, doctors, and the government would lie or mislead you. Just take a look at some of the lawsuits in the link. Obviously these are just some of the big ones. There are literally hundreds more. These companies that produce , doctors that prescribe, the media that advertise, and even the government are not to be trusted when it comes to a multi-billion dollar industry.

I'm sure you don't believe me. But believe history. Just take a look at the biggest suits.

https://www.enjuris.com/blog/resourc...ents-lawsuits/



There really hasn't been an effort to investigate the actual safety of the C19 vaccine and the real world cost of the possible side effects from it.

If the government decides to investigate and attorneys litigate. Its going to be at least 10-12 years from now before we know anything about the actual 'safety' of the vaccine and possible harm done.


You talk about 'evidence' but we are at least 10 years out from having evidence and resolution on this.

I meant this

Jlc calling insurance actuaries conspiracy theorist

Love to see it

Where do the actuaries attribute anything to vaccines?

sorry, I thought you were disputing the excess deaths, like nutsy


So you agree there are excess deaths?

yes/no answer please

These are from the reports.

What are you talking about? No such claim was made. The anti-vax whack-jobs proclaim that every "sudden death", and every "excess death" must be due to vaccination, never with any proof.

The post I replied to claimed/implied (then backtracked and admitted he lied) that the excess deaths were due to vaccines. So to make such a claim, surely there must be data to back it up...? (As I already pointed out, that poster then admitted his claim was a lie).

yeah, I’m not asking about a report

I’m asking you if you believe there are excess deaths in the sub 55 Age group

I wasn't disputing excess deaths since 2020 (of course there have been). I'm disputing the claimedcauseas due to vaccines.

Are you aware of governments, the WHO etc looking to investigate it? Is it something that's widely reported in the news as an issue of concern, and likewise is there any discussion of the potential link between it and the vaccines?

We both know the answer to that, which is exactly my point and why your second point is disingenuous to say the least, given that I just pointed out how there's no real concerted evidence (at least not one announced to the public) to investigate this.

Hell, look at your first post in this thread; instead of discussing the reality of excess deaths, all you could come up with is how the guy in the video isn't an actuary.

what do you attribute all the excess deaths to?

1. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I'm a student of history.
2. You talk about evidence. I'm literally one of the guys that investigates and gathers evidence. I'm trying to tell you. As of right now. Nobody is gathering evidence. And if someone wanted to, there is no way to share it.

If you die suddenly and I find evidence that you were vaccinated and boosted. And an autopsy shows you died of myocarditis. The 'evidence' of your vaccination is not reported. There is simply no data-base to log it. There is simply no way to document it in a way that can be searched for and analyzed. You died of natural causes. End of story. There is no investigation to determine what caused it.

Do you not see the concern? People seem to question police and government corruption in all areas except with the vaccine.


You can keep pointing out there is no evidence that the vaccine causes problems. I'll keep pointing out nobody is trying to find evidence that it does, and if anyone does find evidence of it. They don't share it.
There is no data to back it up. There is no way to log that data if it were to exist. That's the problem.

People can claim whatever they want. Because there is no-way to be proven wrong either way as of yet.

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The reports are the basis of the thread and discussion.

There are excess deaths every year. Silly question.

so what do you attribute all the excess deaths to?

Reminder, covid kills the old
And vaccines are supposed to reduce severe covid Illness

So why are so many younger age bands dying in excess?

Personally, I don't rely on the news or media to determine what's being researched.

Maybe there are complications beyond the acute infection stage. That's what the literature is suggesting.

i see, complications from acute infection seemed to start killing people at the same time the vaccines rolled out

What a coincidence!




Weird how excess deaths peaked after the vaccine rollout , and continue to set new Highs, another weird coincidence

It used to be a “conspiracy theory” to say they would not prevent infection.

To say they wouldn’t stop spread.

To say that the injection didn’t stay local to the injection site.

To say that it isn’t quickly removed from the body, and can stay there for months.

To say that it causes autoimmune issues.

To say it causes heart issues.

To say they would keep trying to push them every year.

To say they would make “vaccine passports”.

And plenty of others





All of those “conspiracy theories” ended up being absolutely true.

Nutsy and Jlc, are you willing to consider the vax, which is known to cause heart issues, may be A, not the, cause for the excess deaths ?

Cancer deaths also multiple standard deviations in excess

It would strengthen the argument if there was support beyond eyeballing raw data and ignoring all confounders. Even a theory of mechanism would help.

yeah, we don’t even know why the vax causes myocarditis, but it does


So, repeating my question

Could the vax be the cause of some excess deaths ?
Yes or no