Responded and yet couldn’t address a single point out of 10 presented. Sad!

It was a list of copy/pasted talking points.

The opening point was that mRNA vaccines aren't vaccines.

My post countered that claim, without any regression.

Sounds terrible, that's how you want the rest of us to live? Like that? Let me guess, they're still masked up when they go out?

1: mRNAs are not vaccines in any traditional sense. They work in a very different way.

2: Before 2020 mRNA biotechnology was - at best - several years from use outside clinical trials. The scientists working on it were struggling with the risks of repeated dosing.

3: The two large clinical trials in 2020 from Pfizer and Moderna that led to the approval of the mRNAs did NOT show that they reduced deaths from Covid, or from other causes.

4: mRNAs were not proven to work better or to be safer than - or even as safe as - traditional vaccines. They were not and have never been tested head-to-head against traditional vaccines.

5: The clinical trials showed the mRNAs caused more and more severe side effects than most traditional vaccines, especially flu shots. Real-world experience confirmed the trial findings.

6: The major clinical trials were effectively stopped in early 2021, and as a result we do not have long-term placebo-controlled safety data on the mRNAs.

7: We also do not have long-term controlled data on their effectiveness. This gap matters less, though, since everyone now agrees that - at best - they worked against Covid infection or transmission for a few months in 2021.

8: The evidence health authorities offer for their claims that the shots work against severe disease and death - even after they fail against infection - comes from “observational” studies. Those are hopelessly untrustworthy. The reason is that people are generally not vaccinated if they are on or near their deathbeds - and terminally ill people are obviously at very high risk of death from all causes, including Covid.
In essence, the people who receive vaccinations cannot be compared to those who do not. Health authorities are well aware of this issue, but they ignore it, because it enables them to claim the vaccines work.

9: The mRNAs appear to have zero or negative effectiveness against Omicron infection. Negative effectiveness means they may actually increase the risk of infection. Some studies show that the infection risk RISES with each additional dose.

10: Data from many countries that used mRNAs shows the booster campaigns in early 2022 and late 2022/early 2023 coincided with increases in all-cause deaths. This correlation is particularly striking in the second campaign, because it cannot be attributed to Covid.

Lying about his claims again, as usual. Please show where it claims they aren’t vaccines?

Right after you show how the available vaccines don't confer acquired immunity

So many falsehoods in your post.

There are direct comparisons of the mRNA vaccines with the "traditional" vaccines.

Where do you hear/read these claims? Why do you believe them on their face?

If the claims are so weak why must you constantly lie about what they say in order to “refute” them?

Kids who got Pfizer’s mRNA Covid jabs had a weakened immune response to other viruses and bacteria, Australian researchers reported in a study published last week.
The diminished response appeared within weeks after the second Pfizer dose, the authors found. Blood taken from the children produced fewer crucial signaling molecules when stimulated with several common potential bacteria and viruses.
Over time, the immune response to bacteria returned to normal. But the diminished response to viruses lasted at least six months, for as long as the researchers collected data. “Our study showed that, in children, SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination decreases inflammatory cytokine responses,” the authors wrote.
Cytokines like interferon play a crucial role in the immune system, helping it attack viruses and other foreign invaders. (The first line of one widely cited paper on interferons explains they are “elicited on challenge to the host defense and are essential for mobilizing immune responses to pathogens.”)


https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...u.2023.1242380

Kids who got Pfizer’s mRNA Covid jabs had a weakened immune response to other viruses and bacteria, Australian researchers reported in a study published last week.
The diminished response appeared within weeks after the second Pfizer dose, the authors found. Blood taken from the children produced fewer crucial signaling molecules when stimulated with several common potential bacteria and viruses.
Over time, the immune response to bacteria returned to normal. But the diminished response to viruses lasted at least six months, for as long as the researchers collected data. “Our study showed that, in children, SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination decreases inflammatory cytokine responses,” the authors wrote.
Cytokines like interferon play a crucial role in the immune system, helping it attack viruses and other foreign invaders. (The first line of one widely cited paper on interferons explains they are “elicited on challenge to the host defense and are essential for mobilizing immune responses to pathogens.”)


https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...u.2023.1242380

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Of course it sounds terrible to someone like you.. and I don't care how you live off the American taxpayer.. you do you Mr Proud Patient Zero, spreader of illness to your co-workers and their families.. you must be so proud!

My in-laws simply did what was recommended.. and wait for it.... it worked. Shocker.

Well some of us had to actually work Patty, and no, you and your pathetic in laws may have liked living like that, holed up, wearing a mask everywhere, being afraid to do anything , rest of us had lives to live.

And imagine bragging about needing numerous jabs to combat something with a 99.7% survivability.

Right after you show how the available vaccines don't confer acquired immunity

So many falsehoods in your post.

There are direct comparisons of the mRNA vaccines with the "traditional" vaccines.

Where do you hear/read these claims? Why do you believe them on their face?

I hope I'm not still working in my 70's

R.I.P. spine

Why not, one of the most hardcore individuals I came across was an 83 year old truck driver. He was involved in an accident and he wasn't the at fault vehicle either.

So many people his age are in homes, or they're drooling vegetables, have dementia, etc, and he was a hearty, well spoken truck driver at 83 years old.

I don't wanna be in a home. I just wanna hang out and not worry about earning money

The pandemic caused a global surge in domestic violence. For victims with few options, abuse has become the new normal.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...stic-violence/

Deaths involving alcohol increased during the COVID-19 pandemic

https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/news-event...id-19-pandemic

Since the onset of COVID-19, there has been a 23% increase in alcohol abuse and a 16% increase in drug abuse for people who had consumed those substances before the pandemic7.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8896880/

A study of 432,302 children ages 2 to 19 years found the rate of body mass index (BMI) increase nearly doubled during the COVID-19 pandemic

https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/chi...-COVID-19.html

Yep. Pandemics mess things up.

Unknowns leading to feeling loss of control. Many losing loved ones. Historic event.

Riiiight, that had to be it, not telling people to stay inside 24/7...... Which you claim to not support, but then post non stop, looking for articles that supported it.....

New variants linked to swell in California COVID cases. Here’s when to get next booster

The late summer COVID-19 wave is gaining momentum in California.

Over the past month, hospitalizations jumped by nearly 81%, rising from a daily average of 186 admissions to 336, according to state health department data published Friday. The state’s test positivity rate is also up to 13.2% after falling as low as 3.4% at the beginning of the summer. Wastewater samples from Bay Area sewer sheds indicated a doubling of the concentration of SARS-CoV-2 virus since July, underscoring a steady upward trajectory that is expected to extend into the fall and winter.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/a...t-18336335.php

If your life was untouched by covid, I'm happy to hear it

But, to think that because your life was unaffected and thus nobody else's life was affected seems self-centered and narrow-minded, to me.

Kaiser revokes mask mandate because no one wore them LOL

https://www.ksro.com/2023/08/25/kais...-mask-mandate/

Pay me for what you want me to prove and we'll get you those results....state of $cience in clown world.

Me? I continued living life, found two gyms that stayed open under the radar, went to numerous gatherings and BBQ'S, still traveled to places like Florida, Texas and Mexico, went to restaurants as soon as they opened back up. I actually got in the best shape of my life in 2020.

People like you? Binge watched Netflix, played video games, wore a mask everywhere, pigged out on junk food, and rarely left the residence.....

JLC be like