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post 1689569113 09-05-2023, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Oh look, anti-capitalist propaganda from Wikipedia. Lol

How many private companies are at the top of the wealth "pyramid"?
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
Oh look, anti-capitalist propaganda from Wikipedia. Lol

How many private companies are at the top of the wealth "pyramid"?
Hierarchy is fundamental to both capitalism and conservatism.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Hierarchy is fundamental to both capitalism and conservatism.
The retard is dodging another objection to his retard claims!
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
Look, the retard is dodging another objection to his retard claims!
You suggested capitalism is individual and not hierarchical.

Then did the name calling thing.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
You suggested capitalism is individual and not hierarchical.

Then did the name calling thing.
Your tactics of strawman arguments and projections makes you a retard. Intellectually bankrupt. You know little to nothing, so you have to make up arguments to win.

You’re low IQ. You’re a literal retard. It’s a truth too unbearable for you to accept.
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post 1689572513 09-05-2023, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
Your tactics of strawman arguments and projections makes you a retard. Intellectually bankrupt. You know little to nothing, so you have to make up arguments to win.

You’re low IQ. You’re a literal retard. It’s a truth too unbearable for you to accept.
Great points!

But, maintenance of hierarchies is still fundamental to both capitalism and conservatism.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Great points!

But, maintenance of hierarchies is still fundamental to both capitalism and conservatism.
So you can't back your post, or any post you make. Your track record is building for being the biggest retard. That's quite an accomplishment
One party system; Most Republicans are Democrats, but no Democrats are Republicans.
Hayek and Mises were right; they're all socialists.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
So you can't back your post, or any post you make. Your track record is building for being the biggest retard. That's quite an accomplishment
Is there a trophy?
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
We get it, you are a far left statist. But do you get that yet?

If you don't like the filthy rich, then get rid of everything that creates them; publicly traded companies, unions, regulations... that would make you a moderate. What makes you far left, is that you are for the hierarchy that puts politics first. Capitalism is when the individual is put first, it makes them priority over the public sector and the government. The public sector is collectivist, and the government is totalitarianism.

You still don't get it though. You are even farther left than the collectivists.
Leftists….help usher in an environment that drastically exacerbates problem. Throw tons of money at it(various tactics carried out in leftist areas), only to make it worse(current surge of homelessness). Conduct a study that spends a lot more money and solves a tiny fraction of the problem. Claim “hey look guys we’re getting somewhere”. Such is the mindset of someone who worships the state. That’s why he absolutely SEETHES at anyone daring to question his god, and instantly starts mocking traditional values which actually do way more to address the issue than whatever his side comes up with.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Leftists….help usher in an environment that drastically exacerbates problem. Throw tons of money at it(various tactics carried out in leftist areas), only to make it worse(current surge of homelessness). Conduct a study that spends a lot more money and solves a tiny fraction of the problem. Claim “hey look guys we’re getting somewhere”. Such is the mindset of someone who worships the state. That’s why he absolutely SEETHES at anyone daring to question his god, and instantly starts mocking traditional values which actually do way more to address the issue than whatever his side comes up with.
At the risk of seeming egotistical, I'll assume "he" is me.

But, but do you reconcile Kraken calling me a communist and you suggesting I worship the state?

I do mock the hypocrisy of social conservatism. I also mock lamenting the loss of a time that never existed. Guilty as charged.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I get why you don't like the results

"Study counters public perception that cash would just be spent on drugs and booze"
The study is retarded. It doesn't say how much it reduced homelessness by and how many went back to drugs/being homeless after receiving the payment.
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Originally Posted By swoleyo⏩
The study is retarded. It doesn't say how much it reduced homelessness by and how many went back to drugs/being homeless after receiving the payment.
Nobody went back to drugs because they screened out addicts. They were followed for a year.

The study demonstrated that those who rely on shelters after gaming on hard times ban be helped by giving them a financial boost.

It seems like a truism.

But, some require that truism to be demonstrated. It also seems that those who require that truism to be demonstrated get mad when it happens.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
At the risk of seeming egotistical, I'll assume "he" is me.

But, but do you reconcile Kraken calling me a communist and you suggesting I worship the state?

I do mock the hypocrisy of social conservatism. I also mock lamenting the loss of a time that never existed. Guilty as charged.
It would all make sense if you watched the video I posted in the other thread. The history of western economics and capitalism.

Socialism/fascism/communism all fail because they are inefficient. They only survive because they are propped up by the government. The “public sector” always fails because it can’t know the wants needs of the individual. From the homeless to market prices, it fails at everything. It can’t know what to price to buy at. It can’t know what price to sell at. It can’t know what each individual homeless person needs, and in the process of getting it wrong, it makes things worse.

That’s where capitalism succeeds. Individuals meeting the wants and needs of other individuals.

“The term communism signifies just the same as Socialism. The use of these two words has repeatedly changed during the past decades, but always the question which separates socialists from communist was only political tactics. Both aimed to socialize the means of operation.” Mises

Process of Communism and socialism = individual (capitalism) —> group (Collectivism/Public sector) —> Government (Totalitarianism).
One party system; Most Republicans are Democrats, but no Democrats are Republicans.
Hayek and Mises were right; they're all socialists.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
It would all make sense if you watched the video I posted in the other thread. The history of western economics and capitalism.

Socialism/fascism/communism all fail because they are inefficient. They only survive because they are propped up by the government. The “public sector” always fails because it can’t know the wants needs of the individual. From the homeless to market prices, it fails at everything. It can’t know what to price to buy at. It can’t know what price to sell at. It can’t know what each individual homeless person needs, and in the process of getting it wrong, it makes things worse.

That’s where capitalism succeeds. Individuals meeting the wants and needs of other individuals.

“The term communism signifies just the same as Socialism. The use of these two words has repeatedly changed during the past decades, but always the question which separates socialists from communist was only political tactics. Both aimed to socialize the means of operation.” Mises

Process of Communism and socialism = individual (capitalism) —> group (Collectivism/Public sector) —> Government (Totalitarianism).
Communism arises from the root word commune/communal.

Communism is anti-state.

In my opinion human nature makes it impossible; anarchy is also impossible for the same reason. The current state of human nature is self-interest.

Capitalism is not egalitarian. It requires class separation.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Communism arises from the root word commune/communal.

Communism is anti-state.

In my opinion human nature makes it impossible; anarchy is also impossible for the same reason. The current state of human nature is self-interest.

Capitalism is not egalitarian. It requires class separation.
So Anarcho capitalism is the goal? Lol This is why any knowledgeable person doesn’t take the Marxist seriously. It’s utter nonsense.

“We are against capitalism! but for capitalism!” Lulz

This is why it always end with total government control/ownership.
One party system; Most Republicans are Democrats, but no Democrats are Republicans.
Hayek and Mises were right; they're all socialists.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
So Anarcho capitalism is the goal? Lol This is why any knowledgeable person doesn’t take the Marxist seriously. It’s utter nonsense.

“We are against capitalism! but for capitalism!” Lulz

This is why it always end with total government control/ownership.
I think (small) government is a necessary evil due to the current (and past) state(s) of human nature.

What looks good on paper doesn't work in practice when actual people get involved.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I think (small) government is a necessary evil due to the current (and past) state(s) of human nature.

What looks good on paper doesn't work in practice when actual people get involved.
So government removes the "human element"? This would make government a god.

It sounds about right, considering Socialism is a religion.
One party system; Most Republicans are Democrats, but no Democrats are Republicans.
Hayek and Mises were right; they're all socialists.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
So government removes the "human element"? This would make government a god.

It sounds about right, considering Socialism is a religion.
No.

I'm not even sure how or why you want to make that leap.

I see government as dynamic.

Are there elections for deities?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
At the risk of seeming egotistical, I'll assume "he" is me.

But, but do you reconcile Kraken calling me a communist and you suggesting I worship the state?

I do mock the hypocrisy of social conservatism. I also mock lamenting the loss of a time that never existed. Guilty as charged.
90% of adolescent runaways are from single parent homes. And that’s not even getting into the education, violent crime, imprisonment, mental illness, suicide, drug addiction, and all of the other stats are much MUCH worse for people raised in single parent homes than in traditional households. There was a time when the percentage of single parent homes was much lower…..that time actually did exist. But if you want to continue to worship the stage and think they’ll fix the problems then by all means, go right ahead. But I’d say by looking around at society that hasn’t made things better overall….in lots of ways the god you worship has made things substantially worse.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
90% of adolescent runaways are from single parent homes. And that’s not even getting into the education, violent crime, imprisonment, mental illness, suicide, drug addiction, and all of the other stats are much MUCH worse for people raised in single parent homes than in traditional households. There was a time when the percentage of single parent homes was much lower…..that time actually did exist. But if you want to continue to worship the stage and think they’ll fix the problems then by all means, go right ahead. But I’d say by looking around at society that hasn’t made things better overall….in lots of ways the god you worship has made things substantially worse.
I'll ask again.

Is after controlling for household income?

The worship stuff seems unnecessary, but whatever.

I'd like to help, but your dad left so fu? Weird position to take, imo.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
No.

I'm not even sure how or why you want to make that leap.

I see government as dynamic.

Are there elections for deities?
How does one keep government small, when you advocate for big government?
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
How does one keep government small, when you advocate for big government?
Where or when have I ever advocated for big government?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Where or when have I ever advocated for big government?
There's that lack of logic again.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
How does one keep government small, when you advocate for big government?
Where or when have I ever advocated for big government?

I loathe politicians.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
There's that lack of logic again.
I don't see how you making stuff up relates to my experience in "basic logic and rhetoric school".
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Where or when have I ever advocated for big government?

I loathe politicians.
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
oof
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I'll ask again.

Is after controlling for household income?

The worship stuff seems unnecessary, but whatever.

I'd like to help, but your dad left so fu? Weird position to take, imo.
90% of welfare recipients are single mothers. It appears they receive tons of help and an incredibly disproportionate amount of aid. Yet for some reason the problem not only hasn’t gotten better, it’s gotten much worse.


And ftr, I actually donate to local charities to help the needy while actually knowing a lot of it will go to single mothers. So no, I don’t say fukk you to them(nice strawman as usual from you though). But I also understand that having a lot more traditional families it’s much better for society overall. That’s some pretty basic stuff, regardless of how much that fact appears to upset you.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
oof
Where's big government in the mocking depiction of capitalism?

Circle it if you can, please. Let's assume the names you've called me are accurate.
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Gavin Newsom blames progressive advocates and judges for California's homelessness crisis

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...s-blame-judges
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Originally Posted By ParsleyTea⏩
Gavin Newsom blames progressive advocates and judges for California's homelessness crisis

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...s-blame-judges
If his strategists are correct, that'll get him some votes
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