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post 1689994533 09-13-2023, 11:33 AM
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It’s Official - Boosters For Everyone!

On Tuesday afternoon, an advisory committee to the Centers for Disease Control recommended all Americans receive mRNA Covid boosters this fall. The CDC is already pressing full speed ahead with that terrible advice.

This morning, CDC director Dr. Mandy Cohen wrote in the New York Times that she, her husband, and her preteen daughters “will all be rolling up our sleeves to get our updated Covid-19 vaccines along with our flu shots soon. I hope you and the people you care about will do the same.”
Yet the CDCs own statistics show the mRNAs have now failed and boosters will quickly make no difference.

They become ineffective against Omicron variants of Covid within months, possibly weeks.

“Updating” them - that is, changing the mRNA they contain, in an effort to keep current with the current variant - does not help.

Why? Imprinting from the original jabs makes our immune systems produce antibodies tailored to fight the now-extinct original coronavirus variant, no matter the specifics of the mRNA in the booster.

In its slide presentation to the CDC yesterday, Moderna simply ignored this fact by refusing to disclose how much better its new booster works against the original Sars-Cov-2 than the new variants. Pfizer didn’t even bother to offer data on how well the new shots work in humans. Instead, it presented data from 20 mice.

The evidence that the jabs now protect against hospitalization or serious illness is also much weaker than mRNA advocates claim.

The CDC reported yesterday the jabs have roughly 0 to 25 percent effectiveness against hospitalization within three to four months. (For several reasons I won’t repeat here, those estimates are likely biased upwards, in favor of the jabs.)

(See those dots at the bottom, the ones left of the vertical line? That’s the CDC reporting that vaccinated people are MORE likely to be hospitalized than unvaccinated ones with Omicron this year. Yes, you read that right. MORE likely.)


Health authorities originally promised the Covid vaccines needed at least 50 percent effectiveness for approval.

But the CDC’s own data show booster effectiveness against Omicron is nowhere near that level. Further, the mRNAs have much more severe side effects than flu shots, the only vaccines that are comparable in terms of their (lack of) effectiveness.

This combination makes the mRNAs a very bad bet - particularly for children, who are at miniscule risk of hospitalization or death from Covid.

The CDC itself estimated yesterday that 1 million mRNA boosters in adolescents would prevent at most one death from Covid (and probably zero), as well as roughly 10 Covid intensive care admissions.

(They said it, not me. The real numbers are probably significantly lower, as in zero, but this makes the point.)

At the same time, giving teenagers a million additional mRNA doses will cause anywhere from 100,000 to 200,000 cases of severe short-term side effects, such as fevers and nausea.
They will also cause anywhere from 50 to 300 cases of myocarditis severe enough to cause hospitalization (depending on which estimates and what mix of Pfizer and Moderna shots are used).
That math has led most of the world, including Japan, Germany, Britain, and Australia, to stop recommending Covid boosters for children and teenagers. In fact, the latter three countries no longer recommend Covid shots for the vast majority of people under 65.

But the United States will not back down.
Admitting that most people won’t benefit from shots this fall would raise questions the CDC and White House cannot tolerate. So they are pushing on, no matter that their own (biased) data suggests they’re making a huge mistake.
The only good news is that the rejection of last fall’s booster campaign suggests what is happening now is mostly theater and the vast majority of Americans will ignore these recommendations.

But some will not.

They will trust the CDC - for themselves, or their parents, or their children.
And some of those - we will never know how many, but some, like this 27-year-old man - will pay the ultimate price.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35812802/


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Awesome - will get when available. Thanks for the notice.
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002
With the data that we have, the fact that she would give her preteen daughters boosters is criminal. The risk benefit analysis simply does not support vaccination for healthy children. What a ghoul.
The data that "we" have. Who? Misc vatniks? LOL
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
The CDC reported yesterday the jabs have roughly 0 to 25 percent effectiveness against hospitalization within three to four months. (For several reasons I won’t repeat here, those estimates are likely biased upwards, in favor of the jabs.)
Is that from mice data?
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I will give my dose to someone else. I dont need it.
post 1689997903 09-13-2023, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Is that from mice data?
How many mice do you know that are being treated in a hospital??



Come on, I know long Covid is kicking your ass, but at least try to think.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
How many mice do you know that are being treated in a hospital??



Come on, I know long Covid is kicking your ass, but at least try to think.
How do they have human hospitalization data from the new booster?
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My only comment here is Yanks gonna yank.

You guys can never just be normal about anything. In the UK we haven't recommended jabs for anyone other than the vulnerable for years now, the virus has changed a lot and the data isn't there to support boosters unless you are old or unwell. The recommendation is the same for this winter.

Your right wing is full of paint drinking retards who should have been aborted at birth, and your left wing also now takes its social policies (which usually begin from a reasonable and correct place) way too far, such as this or with all of its ultrawoke idpol.

It might just time to just thermonuke the entire country from orbit.
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post 1689998513 09-13-2023, 12:36 PM
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Benny said it would only be for those over sixty and immune compromised, was he wrong like usual???
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Originally Posted By isingmodel
My only comment here is Yanks gonna yank.

You guys can never just be normal about anything. In the UK we haven't recommended jabs for anyone other than the vulnerable for years now, the virus has changed a lot and the data isn't there to support boosters unless you are old or unwell. The recommendation is the same for this winter.

Your right wing is full of paint drinking retards who should have been aborted at birth, and your left wing also now takes its social policies (which usually begin from a reasonable and correct place) way too far, such as this or with all of its ultrawoke idpol.

It might just time to just thermonuke the entire country from orbit.
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post 1689998713 09-13-2023, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted By isingmodel
My only comment here is Yanks gonna yank.

You guys can never just be normal about anything. In the UK we haven't recommended jabs for anyone other than the vulnerable for years now, the virus has changed a lot and the data isn't there to support boosters unless you are old or unwell. The recommendation is the same for this winter.

Your right wing is full of paint drinking retards who should have been aborted at birth, and your left wing also now takes its social policies (which usually begin from a reasonable and correct place) way too far, such as this or with all of its ultrawoke idpol.

It might just time to just thermonuke the entire country from orbit.
"LONDON — England on Monday began its winter Covid-19 and flu vaccination campaign ahead of schedule as it monitors a new variant and seeks to avoid another “twindemic” straining the health-care system.

National Health Service (NHS) England said the program was brought forward based on the latest expert advice. Flu vaccines are available to all, while Covid vaccines will be offered to eligible groups including care home residents, over-65s, front-line health and social care workers, and those at clinical risk.

The NHS added that last winter saw high occupancy in hospitals and “record pressure on staff” due to the combination of Covid and flu."

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"Unlike in the U.S., where Covid vaccine distribution is being shifted to the private sector, vaccines in the U.K. are only available through the state-owned NHS."
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https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/11/uk-b...der-watch.html
post 1689998813 09-13-2023, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
"LONDON — England on Monday began its winter Covid-19 and flu vaccination campaign ahead of schedule as it monitors a new variant and seeks to avoid another “twindemic” straining the health-care system.

National Health Service (NHS) England said the program was brought forward based on the latest expert advice. Flu vaccines are available to all, while Covid vaccines will be offered to eligible groups including care home residents, over-65s, front-line health and social care workers, and those at clinical risk.

The NHS added that last winter saw high occupancy in hospitals and “record pressure on staff” due to the combination of Covid and flu."

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/11/uk-b...der-watch.html
Which is what I said. Covid vaccines for the elderly and vulnerable. Which is what the data supports.
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post 1689998993 09-13-2023, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
"LONDON — England on Monday began its winter Covid-19 and flu vaccination campaign ahead of schedule as it monitors a new variant and seeks to avoid another “twindemic” straining the health-care system.

National Health Service (NHS) England said the program was brought forward based on the latest expert advice. Flu vaccines are available to all, while Covid vaccines will be offered to eligible groups including care home residents, over-65s, front-line health and social care workers, and those at clinical risk.

The NHS added that last winter saw high occupancy in hospitals and “record pressure on staff” due to the combination of Covid and flu."

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"Unlike in the U.S., where Covid vaccine distribution is being shifted to the private sector, vaccines in the U.K. are only available through the state-owned NHS."
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https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/11/uk-b...der-watch.html
Damn RainMan, putting the low test Korean migrant in his place, look at you big Dawg!!!!!
post 1689999113 09-13-2023, 12:45 PM
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a new booster for an older variant? sounds good.
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Originally Posted By isingmodel
Which is what I said. Covid vaccines for the elderly and vulnerable. Which is what the data supports.
Health care workers are vulnerable?
post 1689999223 09-13-2023, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted By ispy
a new booster for an older variant? sounds good.
It's for the currently circulating variants.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
It's for the currently circulating variants.
Are these new variants more or less severe than Omicron?
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn
Are these new variants more or less severe than Omicron?
Now now…let’s not confuse him more than he already is. Let him figure out whether or not omicron is more severe than delta, then we’ll move on to other questions.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
Now now…let’s not confuse him more than he already is. Let him figure out whether or not omicron is more severe than delta, then we’ll move on to other questions.
But how'd they get hospitalization data on the new shots?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
But how'd they get hospitalization data on the new shots?
Sources and material are available at the link provided.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
Sources and material are available at the link provided.
Doesn't look like he's able to link his statement to the recently approved ones. Maybe a bit of word play for his audience.

Or maybe it's your statement?

Difficult to tell with the quoting style.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Doesn't look like he's able to link his statement to the recently approved ones. Maybe a bit of word play for his audience.

Or maybe it's your statement?

Difficult to tell with the quoting style.
Or maybe you just have terrible reading comprehension. Just like yesterday when I referenced the shots that were only tested on a handful of mice and it took you hours to realize I was talking about the injections that were only tested on a handful of mice.


He probably just assumes most people have enough common sense to realize he is talking about the previous boosters. Unfortunately, not everyone can keep up.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
Or maybe you just have terrible reading comprehension. Just like yesterday when I referenced the shots that were only tested on a handful of mice and it took you hours to realize I was talking about the injections that were only tested on a handful of mice.


He probably just assumes most people have enough common sense to realize he is talking about the previous boosters. Unfortunately, not everyone can keep up.
Fair enough.

Like I said, maybe some word play to engage his audience.

Similar to making his post look like your thoughts
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Fair enough.

Like I said, maybe some word play to engage his audience.

Similar to making his post look like your thoughts
Well, I assumed most people would probably go “hey, this link at the bottom of the post takes me to a page that says the exact same thing as the post itself, except it includes links to sources as well as charts. Opie is probably directing me to the original source of the article.”



Then again, JLC ain’t most people
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
Well, I assumed most people would probably go “hey, this link at the bottom of the post takes me to a page that says the exact same thing as the post itself, except it includes links to sources as well as charts. Opie is probably directing me to the original source of the article.”



Then again, JLC ain’t most people
So true
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Not an anti vaxxer but last vaccine I took was probably when I was in 2nd grade...I think the last flu I had was about 25 years ago...who knew that being healthy and maintaining a strong immune system would be so beneficial huh...what a strange concept.
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Originally Posted By Irezumi
Not an anti vaxxer but last vaccine I took was probably when I was in 2nd grade...I think the last flu I had was about 25 years ago...who knew that being healthy and maintaining a strong immune system would be so beneficial huh...what a strange concept.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
On Tuesday afternoon, an advisory committee to the Centers for Disease Control recommended all Americans receive mRNA Covid boosters this fall. The CDC is already pressing full speed ahead with that terrible advice.

This morning, CDC director Dr. Mandy Cohen wrote in the New York Times that she, her husband, and her preteen daughters “will all be rolling up our sleeves to get our updated Covid-19 vaccines along with our flu shots soon. I hope you and the people you care about will do the same.”
Yet the CDCs own statistics show the mRNAs have now failed and boosters will quickly make no difference.

They become ineffective against Omicron variants of Covid within months, possibly weeks.

“Updating” them - that is, changing the mRNA they contain, in an effort to keep current with the current variant - does not help.

Why? Imprinting from the original jabs makes our immune systems produce antibodies tailored to fight the now-extinct original coronavirus variant, no matter the specifics of the mRNA in the booster.

In its slide presentation to the CDC yesterday, Moderna simply ignored this fact by refusing to disclose how much better its new booster works against the original Sars-Cov-2 than the new variants. Pfizer didn’t even bother to offer data on how well the new shots work in humans. Instead, it presented data from 20 mice.

The evidence that the jabs now protect against hospitalization or serious illness is also much weaker than mRNA advocates claim.

The CDC reported yesterday the jabs have roughly 0 to 25 percent effectiveness against hospitalization within three to four months. (For several reasons I won’t repeat here, those estimates are likely biased upwards, in favor of the jabs.)

(See those dots at the bottom, the ones left of the vertical line? That’s the CDC reporting that vaccinated people are MORE likely to be hospitalized than unvaccinated ones with Omicron this year. Yes, you read that right. MORE likely.)


Health authorities originally promised the Covid vaccines needed at least 50 percent effectiveness for approval.

But the CDC’s own data show booster effectiveness against Omicron is nowhere near that level. Further, the mRNAs have much more severe side effects than flu shots, the only vaccines that are comparable in terms of their (lack of) effectiveness.

This combination makes the mRNAs a very bad bet - particularly for children, who are at miniscule risk of hospitalization or death from Covid.

The CDC itself estimated yesterday that 1 million mRNA boosters in adolescents would prevent at most one death from Covid (and probably zero), as well as roughly 10 Covid intensive care admissions.

(They said it, not me. The real numbers are probably significantly lower, as in zero, but this makes the point.)

At the same time, giving teenagers a million additional mRNA doses will cause anywhere from 100,000 to 200,000 cases of severe short-term side effects, such as fevers and nausea.
They will also cause anywhere from 50 to 300 cases of myocarditis severe enough to cause hospitalization (depending on which estimates and what mix of Pfizer and Moderna shots are used).
That math has led most of the world, including Japan, Germany, Britain, and Australia, to stop recommending Covid boosters for children and teenagers. In fact, the latter three countries no longer recommend Covid shots for the vast majority of people under 65.

But the United States will not back down.
Admitting that most people won’t benefit from shots this fall would raise questions the CDC and White House cannot tolerate. So they are pushing on, no matter that their own (biased) data suggests they’re making a huge mistake.
The only good news is that the rejection of last fall’s booster campaign suggests what is happening now is mostly theater and the vast majority of Americans will ignore these recommendations.

But some will not.

They will trust the CDC - for themselves, or their parents, or their children.
And some of those - we will never know how many, but some, like this 27-year-old man - will pay the ultimate price.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35812802/


https://open.substack.com/pub/alexbe..._campaign=post
Can't wait.

I'll have to make an appt at the doctors just so I can turn them down again
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Can't wait.

I'll have to make an appt at the doctors just so I can turn them down again
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