OP's desperation oozes from every text. Girls pick up on that so quick. It's like a natural 6th sense to them.

They tend to go for guys that aren't desperate. Confidence isn't showering them with texts. Leave them in "read".

The bolded is true for certain. The hyper-obsessive nature after meeting a woman for 2 minutes is creepy because that level of polarization tends to have a counter polar. e.g. BPD women.

In OP's situation, the obsessive adoration most likely has the potential to swing to intense jealousy and hatred, if a relationship formed.

All this complete nonsense talk about plastic surgery, "must be <10%", get a Rolex, fake tattoos, etc. instead of addressing the GLARING social problems.

OP, you have no reason to feel insecure about your appearance. From what can be pieced together from all the pics, you're a reasonably attractive guy. In terms of physique, if I were you, I would focus less on being shredded at the moment vs. building some mass (don't get fat but try to do it relatively cleanly). You don't need surgery or to be under 10% body fat. There are plenty of overweight (and not facially super attractive) guys out with their fairly attractive girlfriends at the bars all the time. The number one thing is going to be working on your "game" (and not some PUA bullchit but just coming across as a genuinely normal, interesting, funny guy).

At this point, it seems like at least some of these girls are giving you their number because they have initial interest after the IRL approach. However, you're shooting yourself in the foot with some of the cringy, overly formal, desperate sounding texts in the follow-up (as you know and have conceded).

Honestly, you've got this female friend who seems down to jerk you off regularly. Any reason you can't just smash next time to get it out of your system and reset your frame of mind from one of "I needsomething" to a more productive one?

I wish I could find out in which scenarios I came across as creepy. It's probably very few. I wish I knew whyKdid a 180 on me, but I can only guess. I will do better.

I stopped wearing the fake tattoos, and won't get the Rolex (at least not anytime soon). The plastic surgery is still TBD. I'll take 6/10. I can work with that.

Here's my outfit I've been wearing today.

Thank you, dad. I leftKon read, but I believe she isn't coming back to me.I am approaching women and trying to be less of a spaz. I'm writing about what I just did at the mall below. The obsessions are bad, I agree. It's not like I'm trying to give myself anxiety about it. It just happens.I am still going to cut to 10% or below, to the point where I can rub my hands across the skin on my abs and it looks like a fine sheet of paper. Thanks for the compliment on my appearance. I realized I blew it with the woman I've liked the most since starting this thread (i.e.,K). That disappoints me, and I hope that my next mega-hottie encounter goes better.

That female friend wants me to pay her money to have sex. I'm not particularly interested in that. I didn't mention that before because it's embarrassing.

I went on a date with the 18-year-old African girl (she's from Guinea). It was horrendous. I wasted $15 on her at Subway. She's rude and can hardly understand or speak English. I'm also not attracted to her.

I spent the next 1.5 hours walking around the mall and cold approaching. I got one number. I didn't approach THAT many women, but a few were underage (I didn't know that obviously), one was married, and a few have boyfriends. The woman who gave me her number isn't particularly attractive to me, but it's a number and I figure why not? The married woman was nice to talk to. She looked really good. I wanted to suck her toes. She was very well put together and would get it from me until I passed out. At the end she reached her arm out and squeezed my arm (around the biceps/triceps area) and said something like, "good luck." I bet she wanted a bull like me inside her.

Went out with my female friend. We tried two bars, the first of which we only stayed at for a couple minutes. At the second bar, we ended up talking to two sisters who are in their 40's. We got a table and talked for a while. The GILF (yes, GILF) is 43 years old. I sat next to her and we exchanged a lot of touch. She started it (lawd knows I don't want to start massaging a woman in public, but if she started it then I will continue it). I was even rubbing her arms for a bit and it felt nice. She's in great shape. She would even put her hand on my leg (I'm wearing shorts so she was touching skin) for a second from time to time. I got her number early on in the conversation. At the end, we hugged. It was a nice, comfortable hug. I said, "I want to kiss you." She playfully laughed and didn't seem to want to kiss me. Her sister is a 49-year-old MILF and said I'm cute during the conversation. I was really trying with the GILF, but it didn't work. There was a third woman at the table. I ended up getting her number as well at the end, after getting denied a kiss from the GILF. I'm not really interested in her, but I really like the 43-year-old GILF. The sisters thought it was cool I'm trying to get to 10% body fat. They're both into fitness. Below is the conversation, but I doubt I'll be texting her again. Not really sure. I sent the message just as a way for her to have my number. She said she's seeing someone. She said we're friends when we were at the table. I really enjoyed her touching me. Felt so nice. I think I should not have said anything about a kiss given that earlier she said we're friends, but at the same time she was touching me and started it, so why not go for it?



The GILF started a group conversation with me and my female friend. Seems somewhat promising. Would like to see her again.

Dang son. You snagging up my womenz now?

The shirts you bought look like you’re off to play golf and are a bit boomer.

Girls aren’t bothered about a Rolex, you’d be better off with the Apple Watch ultra (if you’re going down that road).

Haha. Dad, I didn't even get a kiss.Doesn't qualify as snagging...yet. Also, there are plenty of womenz to go around.I learn from the best.I don't think they look bad. I get how they're a bit golf-like, but they get compliments. What should I get instead? They also fit really well. Interesting suggestion about the Apple Watch Ultra. Certainly a lot cheaper. I think a Rolex is still stylish. The 49 y/o MILF from last night was wearing a Rolex.She was touching me. I established early on that I'm attracted to her. I'm not going to invest heavily in it.

Going to the gym today then will get ready and day game at the mall for 2-4 hours. After that I'll probably go home, shower again, and meet my female friend for another night at the bars.

Cliffs? Why is this thread 16 pages long

I believe you meant 26 pages. It's my diary of approaching and meeting women, with the short-term goals of dating and perhaps a girlfriend. The long-term goal is a wife. I've received a lot of advice. This thread helps me with accountability, but also with texting and interacting with women (among other things).

Is your female friend real or fantasy

i think you should practice rejecting women too. like after they send first text tell them thanks but you aren't interested. walk in their shoes, op. like a deer hunter and their calls

OP moving down from girls with boyfriends and single mums to literal grandmas now lmao. Holy fuk is this real life?

Back to “daygame” at the mall today, K might contact security

She's real. She'sMMon prior screenshots.Lol, this seems like something that would only work for Chad. I don't see how a woman I'm really interested in is going to be receptive to the idea of me playing hard to get or showing that I'm uninterested.That GILF is a fit 43 y/o. She weighs around 115 lbs and is shorter, but not too short. She's a prime female in her 40's who would get it from me anytime she wants it.I laughed at this. It does give me a bit of anxiety because I walk by the store she works at so frequently.

I spent 3.5 hours walking around the mall. Very tiring. I spoke to several women. I got one phone number. She's a 23 y/o who works at the mall. I could tell she was interested in me. I made a bit of banter then asked for her number. I think that was key. It's not possible to make banter with everyone though, but it's a bit easier if they work there (although even that depends on the store, environment, etc.). I don't think I'd LTR her, but she could be fun. Here's our text convo so far. I'll try to play this one cool. Perhaps give it a couple days then ask her if she wants to get a meal on the weekend.



The 25 y/o mom of 2 I'm supposed to meet for a date on Tuesday has COVID. I'm doubting we'll meet up. This is the woman who clearly wants to have sex with me based on what we've texted each other. Really sucks. I figured Tuesday night is when I'm going to break my dry spell.

Okay so you haven't fuked this one up so far, but you've given her nothing to work with. Most women do not take the lead on topics in initial convos, hence the Bumble memes about every woman opening with "hey".

You'll want to riff offa single topic(not a chatgpt dissertation) you talked about or an event that happened while you were chatting, something relatable and light (ideally funny).

I opened with something like, "I always see you touching yourself up. I feel like I have to do that a lot as well because it's so hot. I wish they built a cryochamber in here so we could cool off." She was smiling and told me about how there isn't AC on in the main portion of the mall and pointed to the sides of the ceiling. She said she is always fanning herself because of the heat. She sells product and displays beauty stuff at the mall. She asked me my age. She thought I'm 27. She asked me where I work. I believe she thought I work at the mall. We talked about clothing and the Boss clothing and how high-end stores are mostly at a different mall. Then I asked for the number and she gave it to me. Perhaps I can talk about how we can go do something indoors, somewhere it's cool and get something to eat together. I could also ask her about her job. I'm guessing I should give it a few days before I reach out.

That's good. I may send, "New CDC report states that my dick is better than any other treatment. The sooner you take it, the better." Not to sound like a pessimist, but I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't want to hang out anymore. I feel as though she's pulling away, but it could just be because she's sick and probably not in a great mood since COVID affects her pay (i.e., she can't go to work) and health.

Just a week ago, neitherKnor I knew of each other's existence. Now it seems like I'll never interact with her again. I bring this up because I've approached many women in the past few months. <tangent>I forgot to write about approaching a woman today at the gym. She was not interested in talking with me and said she has a boyfriend (updated gym stats are 3/10 when it comes to getting their number)</tangent>. I've yet to have such a short, engaging conversation as the one I had withK. I wish I would have learned how to interact in these situations much earlier. I believe that could have saved me and we'd be in a different situation now. I'm just hoping I don't repeat this with other women, regardless of my level of interest in them. There aren't many women I approach who I'd consider LTR material. For me, it's the combination of looks and personality that makes a woman LTR material. My femalefriendditched me tonight because she saw some other friend in public and whatnot. Fairly sick of how rude she is in general and some of the things she says. I'd not talk to her anymore, but then I'd have 0 friends to go out with. I'm not dating anyone at the moment. I think that's partly what led to the sobering thought aboutK. Got teary-eyed just thinking about it. I'm going to return the rental car tonight and help my grandparents with something tomorrow morning. I'll probably try to day game at the mall tomorrow since there are so many people there on the weekend. I'm not giving up, I'm just depressed about the current situation.

In for further updates

OP is really shining light on the hope that there is a single grandma out there for all of us.

Is this Skippy the virgin? The absolute state of op. Tighten up lad

Haven’t laughed so hard at a post in so long, repped

[QUOTE=mcdojo post_id=1690212473]In for further updates[/QUOTE]Got one for you below.

[QUOTE=stupid000 post_id=1690218643]OP is really shining light on the hope that there is a single grandma out there for all of us.[/QUOTE]I guess you can highlight the fact she's a grandmother. I'd rather focus on her juicy breasts, tight body, and nice face. She's only 43.

[QUOTE=MustardTiger17 post_id=1690220403]Is this Skippy the virgin? The absolute state of op. Tighten up lad[/QUOTE]Unaware, but not a virgin. I'm trying, man. It's really hard.

[QUOTE=Matty5RA post_id=1690221453]Haven’t laughed so hard at a post in so long, repped[/QUOTE]Nice

[QUOTE=Luc1fer post_id=1690222033][img]https://i.imgur.com/6slsgSg.png[img][/QUOTE]Hah, the meme is kind of funny. The sting of acting like a desperate beta still lingers.

I spent over 3 hours at the mall today. Only approached 3 women. First one was a mall worker and she didn't want to speak with me. Second one was okay to talk with but when I asked for her number she said she's 16. I knew she was young, but didn't think that young - sheesh. The third woman was a cougar, but wasn't as attractive as I thought she was and also didn't want to speak with me. There were a few I regret not stopping and introducing myself to and a couple married women I didn't approach because I saw their ring. Today was really difficult. A completely different experience from last Sunday and my outfit is much better. It happens.

The woman I met at the mall yesterday sent me a request to be friends on Snapchat. I accepted it then texted her (iMessage, not SC). Below is the current convo. I wasn't planning on texting her, but the SC invite seemed like her showing interest.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/5iLSOVz.png[/img]

Boyo went from calling 43 year old grandmas "prime females" to texting a random stranger who he just got a number from that he's walking around the mall for hours and then going to do meal prepping.

Jesus brah wtf is going through your head when you're typing these things?

The 43 y/o GILF is a prime femalefor a woman in her 40's.

I was being honest about what I was doing. Probably could have texted something else. My daily life isn't the most exciting, but I'm open to do fun things for a date or with a woman. I'm typically on here, working, at the gym, walking at the mall, cooking, cleaning, stretching, or watching stuff on YT.

Looks like the woman I met yesterday is pretty popular on SC and IG. I'm surprised by this, but definitely impressed. She must have armies of men hitting her up. So many simps commenting on her pics. At this point I'd be shocked if she's interested in going out with me.