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post 1690433803 09-21-2023, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted By OliverHeldens
FYI, I've been letting you speak freely. But you clearly have a very basic understanting of how this entire system works, and could use more real world experience to understand the big picture.
You're just a dumb ass.

Brb gonna use dollars, but pretend they weren't created by a bank, so I can say I don't use the banking system.

Your IQ <85.
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Originally Posted By OliverHeldens
Why would you ever want a finite currency? This means growth will be constrained by a shortage of currency once population grows.

In this system, there will only be "haves" and "have nots.

If you think a feudal system makes sense and is the best way to organize an economy, I'm not sure what to tell you.
Do you understand why the wealthiest of people trade commodities and why?
Originally Posted By OliverHeldens
There are no taxes on wealth.
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post 1690450513 09-21-2023, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted By OliverHeldens
You don't have to use banks at all. Find a way to abtain a bunch of wealth and only deal with people who have similar beliefs.
Huh? Do you not realize how the US dollar works? The American people are loaned US dollars by the FED. The whole economy is centered around having to pay back the debt to the Federal Reserve, there is no escaping it.

No one is talking about not using local banks, we are talking about not using the central banking system(FED) for our currency......
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Banking is legal because Jews obviously conspire to control the governments of the western world and they profit greatly from their banking endeavors and want to continue to do so for obvious reasons.

What is not so obvious to me is when it comes to usury, where are the people who reference the bible as an indisputable source of morality (no hate). This group campaigns strongly against abortion and gays based on their moral convictions yet are strangely silent on the topic of usury that their morality manual also condemns.

Is this Jew conspiracy or Christian hypocrisy? I admit I am naive here but this one genuinely confuses me.
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The Bible and Quran both warn about this.

Wasn't it the book of the Matthew that talked about Jesus knocking over tables of Jew banker tables in the temples?

Riba/usury always destroys a nation. It's just a matter of time. It enslaves the population financially and it becomes the haves and the have nots.
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Originally Posted By DeadlyStriker
Jesus knocking over tables of Jew banker tables in the temples?
Jesus was based af
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Originally Posted By DeadlyStriker
The Bible and Quran both warn about this.

Wasn't it the book of the Matthew that talked about Jesus knocking over tables of Jew banker tables in the temples?

Riba/usury always destroys a nation. It's just a matter of time. It enslaves the population financially and it becomes the haves and the have nots.
Pretty hilarious when you think about it. Even thousands of years ago people knew the problem. And it's far worse now than it was then.
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Originally Posted By _zman
Pretty hilarious when you think about it. Even thousands of years ago people knew the problem. And it's far worse now than it was then.
People don't change tbh...human nature for some to exploit others
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got to have commodities or at least trade skills going to keep a backing, and then loaning people money can be beneficial to the bank and ALSO to the person who then makes money with money they wouldn't normally have, in theory, but when you don't have the first part, the second part starts falling apart

and to take that further, the more the above works, the more money you have safely stored for future use in say your country, to be used for whatever they see fit, which they can then convert into things other than cash notes or back to commodities, understand?
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Originally Posted By OliverHeldens
Do you want to barter using only tangible goods with people only in your immediate are?
yeah

at least i'll know that the pelt the beavercel traded me won't lose 99.99% of its value in 100 years
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Originally Posted By DeadlyStriker
The Bible and Quran both warn about this.

Wasn't it the book of the Matthew that talked about Jesus knocking over tables of Jew banker tables in the temples?

Riba/usury always destroys a nation. It's just a matter of time. It enslaves the population financially and it becomes the haves and the have nots.
he knocked them over and kicked them out of a temple which was a place for things other than ripping people off, he didn't walk into a bank and start knocking people out lmao, not sure how that was a warning for banking though,

and to take things a bit further because why not, I wouldn't view a country as a temple either because that can become pretty dangerous as well
post 1690497983 09-22-2023, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted By Rul3
he knocked them over and kicked them out of a temple which was a place for things other than ripping people off, he didn't walk into a bank and start knocking people out lmao, not sure how that was a warning for banking though,

and to take things a bit further because why not, I wouldn't view a country as a temple either because that can become pretty dangerous as well
Yea I remember he was pissed they were using the temple as like a trading ground and the banking tables within it is what he toppled over to make his point.

It's a profound thing though simply because the church has succumbed to usury. Usury is a concept that exploits for financial gain. The churches are under that control which is really what allowed such a huge push in usury in our nation. Once the churches became under control of the 501c3 tax status so they can keep more of their precious money, they now had to play ball so they don't lose their tax status.

So Jesus doing that was an act of defiance against the idea of usury in general even if it specified in that instance it was in the temple.

I just searched up what the bible says about ususry. LMAO. It just shows you how far gone Christian's have become with their own religion. They allowed it to be so watered done. In Ezekiel is literally says that the man who lends with interest and makes profit should DIE.

Our society is in end times simply because he allowed usury to uphold the entire existence of our lives. We convinced and sold our children out to Universities to make profit on them learning and enslaved via debt. Then to live in a normal house you must take out huge loans with interest to live. It has crippled our society and now we are seeing the end game of it.

https://www.openbible.info/topics/usury
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Originally Posted By DeadlyStriker
Yea I remember he was pissed they were using the temple as like a trading ground and the banking tables within it is what he toppled over to make his point.

It's a profound thing though simply because the church has succumbed to usury. Usury is a concept that exploits for financial gain. The churches are under that control which is really what allowed such a huge push in usury in our nation. Once the churches became under control of the 501c3 tax status so they can keep more of their precious money, they now had to play ball so they don't lose their tax status.

So Jesus doing that was an act of defiance against the idea of usury in general even if it specified in that instance it was in the temple.

I just searched up what the bible says about ususry. LMAO. It just shows you how far gone Christian's have become with their own religion. They allowed it to be so watered done. In Ezekiel is literally says that the man who lends with interest and makes profit should DIE.

Our society is in end times simply because he allowed usury to uphold the entire existence of our lives. We convinced and sold our children out to Universities to make profit on them learning and enslaved via debt. Then to live in a normal house you must take out huge loans with interest to live. It has crippled our society and now we are seeing the end game of it.

https://www.openbible.info/topics/usury
I have to disagree with a few points, the main one being the book of Ezekiel being Christian and not Hebrew/Aramaic/Judaism, people tend to make this single mistake every time considering the entire Bible a "Christian" book when in reality, that is not the case, since outside of Isaiah and a few others Christ isn't even mentioned, you also have to take into account the context of the statement and what was happening to a few of the people writing some of these statements, it's not just a religious or spiritual book but also take into account some of the actual historical aspects of what was going on at the time

and I also don't think we are in end times but still, agree to disagree, also shepherding was a big time job in those days and a shepherd to them would be a good image for most people at the time to understand someone that would "save them" or lead them, understand? so linking that every time that is mentioned to the new testament can be quite the task, I'd argue that what they had faith in sent many of what would be considered shepherds or the like, warriors, what have you, until a Son was sent because the others were having a hard time or who knows
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Originally Posted By Rul3
I have to disagree with a few points, the main one being the book of Ezekiel being a Christian and not Hebrew/Aramaic/Judaism, people tend to make this single mistake every time considering the entire Bible a "Christian" book when in reality, that is not the case, since outside of Isaiah and a few others Christ isn't even mentioned, you also have to take into account the context of the statement and what was happening to a few of the people writing some of these statements, it's not just a religious or spiritual book but also take in account some of the actual historical aspects of what was going on at the time

and I also don't think we are in end times but still, agree to disagree
All I'm saying is simply these books are a guide. We have deliberately misused and misinterpreted them simply because it doesn't fit our current times which is completely absurd. When I point out Ezekial, I am focused on the idea of usury being that horrible within the context of society. It's a warning. It doesn't mean we should behead lenders.

I believe our society as we know it is in end times. Not humans. I'm not saying Jesus is coming back or some rapture. I mean that society as we know it and grew up in is in end times. Our economic system alone isn't sustainable in any way moving forward.
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Originally Posted By DeadlyStriker
Yea I remember he was pissed they were using the temple as like a trading ground and the banking tables within it is what he toppled over to make his point.

It's a profound thing though simply because the church has succumbed to usury. Usury is a concept that exploits for financial gain. The churches are under that control which is really what allowed such a huge push in usury in our nation. Once the churches became under control of the 501c3 tax status so they can keep more of their precious money, they now had to play ball so they don't lose their tax status.

So Jesus doing that was an act of defiance against the idea of usury in general even if it specified in that instance it was in the temple.

I just searched up what the bible says about ususry. LMAO. It just shows you how far gone Christian's have become with their own religion. They allowed it to be so watered done. In Ezekiel is literally says that the man who lends with interest and makes profit should DIE.

Our society is in end times simply because he allowed usury to uphold the entire existence of our lives. We convinced and sold our children out to Universities to make profit on them learning and enslaved via debt. Then to live in a normal house you must take out huge loans with interest to live. It has crippled our society and now we are seeing the end game of it.

https://www.openbible.info/topics/usury
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There are some among the People of the Book who, if entrusted with a stack of gold, will readily return it. Yet there are others who, if entrusted with a single coin, will not repay it unless you constantly demand it. This is because they say, “We are not accountable for ˹exploiting˺ the Gentiles.” And ˹so˺ they attribute lies to Allah knowingly.
Originally Posted By Rul3
I have to disagree with a few points, the main one being the book of Ezekiel being Christian and not Hebrew/Aramaic/Judaism, people tend to make this single mistake every time considering the entire Bible a "Christian" book when in reality, that is not the case, since outside of Isaiah and a few others Christ isn't even mentioned, you also have to take into account the context of the statement and what was happening to a few of the people writing some of these statements, it's not just a religious or spiritual book but also take into account some of the actual historical aspects of what was going on at the time

and I also don't think we are in end times but still, agree to disagree, also shepherding was a big time job in those days and a shepherd to them would be a good image for most people at the time to understand someone that would "save them" or lead them, understand? so linking that every time that is mentioned to the new testament can be quite the task, I'd argue that what they had faith in sent many of what would be considered shepherds or the like, warriors, what have you, until a Son was sent because the others were having a hard time or who knows
It was outlawed in Christianity until the 16th century...
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Originally Posted By OliverHeldens
Do you want to barter using only tangible goods with people only in your immediate are?
Obviously gold was used for convenience to solve this problem, and now crypto.
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Originally Posted By DeadlyStriker
All I'm saying is simply these books are a guide. We have deliberately misused and misinterpreted them simply because it doesn't fit our current times which is completely absurd. When I point out Ezekial, I am focused on the idea of usury being that horrible within the context of society. It's a warning. It doesn't mean we should behead lenders.

I believe our society as we know it is in end times. Not humans. I'm not saying Jesus is coming back or some rapture. I mean that society as we know it and grew up in is in end times. Our economic system alone isn't sustainable in any way moving forward.
I agree with you there, that's why contextuality and logic is important, the first part

I think another problem is, the way we've moved forward economically and as a whole, with this thing in the back of our mind that well if all goes wrong at least Jesus or some religion will come back and rapture us/save us, what a thing to put on a single person or group of people, it's not his/their fault, that things weren't created with better levels of thinking, not that this wouldn't happen but still I think not the right way of thinking moving forward
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