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Originally Posted By DuracellBunny⏩
Damn that’s a good oneExcessive online comparisons. People will spent 3-4 hours shopping around different sites to save $20 on something.
Time is money and $5 per hour is an appalling use of time.
Cheap apartments. I saw this a lot when I first moved to the city. People would save $300 per month by living somewhere cheaper, but then spend an extra $600 per month going out more because they didn't like being in the apartment.
Professional services. A cheap lawyer or a cheap accountant will lose you more than they save you.
Time is money and $5 per hour is an appalling use of time.
Cheap apartments. I saw this a lot when I first moved to the city. People would save $300 per month by living somewhere cheaper, but then spend an extra $600 per month going out more because they didn't like being in the apartment.
Professional services. A cheap lawyer or a cheap accountant will lose you more than they save you.
Yeah a good tax accountant literally makes you back so many multiples of what you spend with them
Plus if you get audited be like “idk ask the accountant”.
I think you’re less likely to get audited if you submit through an accountant too
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you don't go bespoke unless you're a baller anyway. at the top end of the market, things aren't about bang for buck at all. it's about getting a product that 100% satisfies every single need you have and does everything that you want and that's bespoke.
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I remember being in Hawaii with my in-laws and we were close to a gas station at the end of the day that was close to our rental that was more expensive than one on the other side of town….. they ended up getting us lost going to the cheaper one and soaking up an extra hour and a half of our time if we had just filled at the original one
They probably “saved” like $4-5 but wasted gas and time driving to it and back
They probably “saved” like $4-5 but wasted gas and time driving to it and back
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Originally Posted By r32gojirra⏩
Site managers and project managers too. Good ones will save you several times what they cost you. Anything construction/tradie related becomes very inefficient when you try and go cheap and ends up costing you far more.Damn that’s a good one
Yeah a good tax accountant literally makes you back so many multiples of what you spend with them
Plus if you get audited be like “idk ask the accountant”.
I think you’re less likely to get audited if you submit through an accountant too
Yeah a good tax accountant literally makes you back so many multiples of what you spend with them
Plus if you get audited be like “idk ask the accountant”.
I think you’re less likely to get audited if you submit through an accountant too
In general, you get what you pay for in the middle. When you move towards the extremes you either gain little for the extra spend or lose a lot for the little saved.
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Originally Posted By MountainLion84⏩
LawdI remember being in Hawaii with my in-laws and we were close to a gas station at the end of the day that was close to our rental that was more expensive than one on the other side of town….. they ended up getting us lost going to the cheaper one and soaking up an extra hour and a half of our time if we had just filled at the original one
They probably “saved” like $4-5 but wasted gas and time driving to it and back
They probably “saved” like $4-5 but wasted gas and time driving to it and back
I can kind of forgive people being cheap but if they try to involve me in that nonsense?
Gtfo
Same thing when you’re in the CBD trying to find somewhere to have drinks/dinner and it’s clear one of the people is trying to pick places based on how cheap the drinks are
Yes, I realise it’s not happy hour, and I want to eat/drink now
I suppose in that example you’re not wasting money as much as time but still infuriating
09-24-2023, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted By DuracellBunny⏩
This is a good one. I know it's dumb but I do it every time feelsbatmanExcessive online comparisons. People will spent 3-4 hours shopping around different sites to save $20 on something.
Time is money and $5 per hour is an appalling use of time.
Time is money and $5 per hour is an appalling use of time.
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I’ve dealt with this plenty of times where I have someone who wants to sell their building, but they’re completely against the idea of paying a broker the 4-5% or whatever commission they think will be charged.
So they end up trying to sell it themselves, and not actually knowing the potential or what they’re doing, so they end up selling it for like 20-30% less than what I could have done it for.
One old Jewish guy was the worst at this. He had an apartment building that he ended up selling for $1.8M, when I could have easily gotten him $2.3-2.4m for. Then he had his office, which happened to be a prime development parcel. He ended up selling it for like $900k when I could have easily found someone to give him $1.3M-1.4M.
Everybody thinks they can sell Commercial Property, but unless a person is really active in the market, they don’t have a clue what they’re doing and will get their lunch eaten by someone who does.
So they end up trying to sell it themselves, and not actually knowing the potential or what they’re doing, so they end up selling it for like 20-30% less than what I could have done it for.
One old Jewish guy was the worst at this. He had an apartment building that he ended up selling for $1.8M, when I could have easily gotten him $2.3-2.4m for. Then he had his office, which happened to be a prime development parcel. He ended up selling it for like $900k when I could have easily found someone to give him $1.3M-1.4M.
Everybody thinks they can sell Commercial Property, but unless a person is really active in the market, they don’t have a clue what they’re doing and will get their lunch eaten by someone who does.
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Originally Posted By OliverHeldens⏩
True. A good real estate agent is worth their weight in gold, whether for residential or commercial.I’ve dealt with this plenty of times where I have someone who wants to sell their building, but they’re completely against the idea of paying a broker the 4-5% or whatever commission they think will be charged.
So they end up trying to sell it themselves, and not actually knowing the potential or what they’re doing, so they end up selling it for like 20-30% less than what I could have done it for.
One old Jewish guy was the worst at this. He had an apartment building that he ended up selling for $1.8M, when I could have easily gotten him $2.3-2.4m for. Then he had his office, which happened to be a prime development parcel. He ended up selling it for like $900k when I could have easily found someone to give him $1.3M-1.4M.
Everybody thinks they can sell Commercial Property, but unless a person is really active in the market, they don’t have a clue what they’re doing and will get their lunch eaten by someone who does.
So they end up trying to sell it themselves, and not actually knowing the potential or what they’re doing, so they end up selling it for like 20-30% less than what I could have done it for.
One old Jewish guy was the worst at this. He had an apartment building that he ended up selling for $1.8M, when I could have easily gotten him $2.3-2.4m for. Then he had his office, which happened to be a prime development parcel. He ended up selling it for like $900k when I could have easily found someone to give him $1.3M-1.4M.
Everybody thinks they can sell Commercial Property, but unless a person is really active in the market, they don’t have a clue what they’re doing and will get their lunch eaten by someone who does.
Brb “wtf why would I give away 3% off the top for some guy to organise some photos and open the door for showings?”
Nah gtfo with that
It’s worth the commission just to not have to deal with the lowballers and brokies who think they can negotiate their way into a house that is beyond their means
09-24-2023, 10:27 PM
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I read the OP and some of the posts, not gonna waste time or space quoting people, but...
On the topic of new pristine cars vs weathered problem ridden old cars:
This is one of those situations where both extremes kinda suck. Answer IMO is getting a 1-2 years old "Certified Pre-Owned" car with detailed car history and guarantees from a quality dealership, usually includes free or reduced price maintenance plans too. The car cost is heavily cheaper than a "new" car, you get some of the warranty lifetime, avoided the worst year or 2 of depreciation, and you feel very safe buying something used due to the dealership guarantees and inspections. Downside is you can't get it custom-made, and there might be slightly better deals from AutoTrader or something, but those are riskier anyways.
On the topic of houses:
I do think house prices can fluctuate in a downwards trend over short terms, but they always go up over the long term. So I agree with OP mostly there... however it's not unreasonable to wait for the mortgage interest rates to go down a few points. It's all federally driven anyways.
On the topic of living location:
I disagree with OP here. With the internet and WFH, you can do nearly every officecel remote-enabled job while still finding decent $200k 3/2 houses in a lot of chitty/fly-over areas in 2023.
On the topic of new pristine cars vs weathered problem ridden old cars:
This is one of those situations where both extremes kinda suck. Answer IMO is getting a 1-2 years old "Certified Pre-Owned" car with detailed car history and guarantees from a quality dealership, usually includes free or reduced price maintenance plans too. The car cost is heavily cheaper than a "new" car, you get some of the warranty lifetime, avoided the worst year or 2 of depreciation, and you feel very safe buying something used due to the dealership guarantees and inspections. Downside is you can't get it custom-made, and there might be slightly better deals from AutoTrader or something, but those are riskier anyways.
On the topic of houses:
I do think house prices can fluctuate in a downwards trend over short terms, but they always go up over the long term. So I agree with OP mostly there... however it's not unreasonable to wait for the mortgage interest rates to go down a few points. It's all federally driven anyways.
On the topic of living location:
I disagree with OP here. With the internet and WFH, you can do nearly every officecel remote-enabled job while still finding decent $200k 3/2 houses in a lot of chitty/fly-over areas in 2023.
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Originally Posted By Visel⏩
In so far as it relates to jobs that can be done remotely and employers are willing to accept that: cheerfully withdrawnI read the OP and some of the posts, not gonna waste time or space quoting people, but...
On the topic of new pristine cars vs weathered problem ridden old cars:
This is one of those situations where both extremes kinda suck. Answer IMO is getting a 1-2 years old "Certified Pre-Owned" car with detailed car history and guarantees from a quality dealership, usually includes free or reduced price maintenance plans too. The car cost is heavily cheaper than a "new" car, you get some of the warranty lifetime, avoided the worst year or 2 of depreciation, and you feel very safe buying something used due to the dealership guarantees and inspections. Downside is you can't get it custom-made, and there might be slightly better deals from AutoTrader or something, but those are riskier anyways.
On the topic of houses:
I do think house prices can fluctuate in a downwards trend over short terms, but they always go up over the long term. So I agree with OP mostly there... however it's not unreasonable to wait for the mortgage interest rates to go down a few points. It's all federally driven anyways.
On the topic of living location:
I disagree with OP here. With the internet and WFH, you can do nearly every officecel remote-enabled job while still finding decent $200k 3/2 houses in a lot of chitty/fly-over areas in 2023.
On the topic of new pristine cars vs weathered problem ridden old cars:
This is one of those situations where both extremes kinda suck. Answer IMO is getting a 1-2 years old "Certified Pre-Owned" car with detailed car history and guarantees from a quality dealership, usually includes free or reduced price maintenance plans too. The car cost is heavily cheaper than a "new" car, you get some of the warranty lifetime, avoided the worst year or 2 of depreciation, and you feel very safe buying something used due to the dealership guarantees and inspections. Downside is you can't get it custom-made, and there might be slightly better deals from AutoTrader or something, but those are riskier anyways.
On the topic of houses:
I do think house prices can fluctuate in a downwards trend over short terms, but they always go up over the long term. So I agree with OP mostly there... however it's not unreasonable to wait for the mortgage interest rates to go down a few points. It's all federally driven anyways.
On the topic of living location:
I disagree with OP here. With the internet and WFH, you can do nearly every officecel remote-enabled job while still finding decent $200k 3/2 houses in a lot of chitty/fly-over areas in 2023.
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Originally Posted By LuigiMiami631⏩
Tech support would like a wordHiring Indians because you thought they were cheap, ending up costing the company more.
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Originally Posted By r32gojirra⏩
I get that you are in real estate, but the Australian real estate market is one of the most highly manipulated and subsidized in the world. There is nothing that makes you a genius about making money in RE in Australia, you are basically profiting from a government run scheme to artificially inflate GDP growth and tax revenue at the expense of the broader economy.-every rentcuck for the last 25 years
Its actually obscene the amount of money its pulled out of the pockets of ordinary Australians, and in the long term the country will be poorer for it. Canada is in the same position.
Enjoy the short term benefits, your country will suffer for it at some point and its not going to be short lived like it was in the USA, because with you guys its structural. Pensions wrapped up, bank valuations, foreign debt, private debt, tax revenue, all of it.
Australia is probably the most artificial economy in the developed world these days.
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Originally Posted By r32gojirra⏩
Location: CanberraTech support would like a word
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To be honest, only a few things are worth considering if they have enough of a lever of impact on your finances.
Some things that make you frugal:
- Don't spend something obviously not worth it like designer clothes/shoes.
- If you are a family of 4 you don't necessarily need a house for 8.
Everything else - you can get more overall if you do not spend time/stress over them and invest the time in something that brings you more/additional income.
I used to be the guy who would look for the cheapest canned tuna, even when making enough money. Not worth at all.
Some things that make you frugal:
- Don't spend something obviously not worth it like designer clothes/shoes.
- If you are a family of 4 you don't necessarily need a house for 8.
Everything else - you can get more overall if you do not spend time/stress over them and invest the time in something that brings you more/additional income.
I used to be the guy who would look for the cheapest canned tuna, even when making enough money. Not worth at all.
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Originally Posted By LuigiMiami631⏩
not alwaysHiring Indians because you thought they were cheap, ending up costing the company more.
i used a web developer from India and he charges me nothing compared to $70 an hour US/UK. and the latter like to milk it and really overcharge for simple fixes/text updates in php files.
let alone an SEO company in Pakistan that charges $200 a month compared to $2000
but yes, of course there are cowboys too that aren't worth using for free
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09-25-2023, 06:29 AM
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-hiring people who save you more money than they charge (law, taxes, project mgmt, ect)
-high use items such as shoes, clothes, glaases, ect
Obviouslly within your budget, dont be wearing a rolex making 50k/year thinking "quality lasts bro". But nothing more cringe than an adult wearing gas station sun glasses or innapropriate shoes to outfit, poor fitting clothes, ect.
Not convinced on the car, depreciating items should be treated like what they are. Always go used, and upgrade according to income. Biggest drain on American perwonal wealth is people buying way to nice of a car in their 20'3/30's when they couldve put those payments to compounding interest.
Also rent and invest the difference works if your rent is low enough. In my situation I pay 1/3 of what a mortgage would be and invest the differenece. Thanks to the money printer at the FED I've made great return. Everyone understands equity and stable monthly payments, but right now almost everywhere in the country renting is FAR cheaper and smarter than a mortgage.
-high use items such as shoes, clothes, glaases, ect
Obviouslly within your budget, dont be wearing a rolex making 50k/year thinking "quality lasts bro". But nothing more cringe than an adult wearing gas station sun glasses or innapropriate shoes to outfit, poor fitting clothes, ect.
Not convinced on the car, depreciating items should be treated like what they are. Always go used, and upgrade according to income. Biggest drain on American perwonal wealth is people buying way to nice of a car in their 20'3/30's when they couldve put those payments to compounding interest.
Also rent and invest the difference works if your rent is low enough. In my situation I pay 1/3 of what a mortgage would be and invest the differenece. Thanks to the money printer at the FED I've made great return. Everyone understands equity and stable monthly payments, but right now almost everywhere in the country renting is FAR cheaper and smarter than a mortgage.
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Originally Posted By naich⏩
Why do you consider that cars are a depreciating asset-hiring people who save you more money than they charge (law, taxes, project mgmt, ect)
-high use items such as shoes, clothes, glaases, ect
Obviouslly within your budget, dont be wearing a rolex making 50k/year thinking "quality lasts bro". But nothing more cringe than an adult wearing gas station sun glasses or innapropriate shoes to outfit, poor fitting clothes, ect.
Not convinced on the car,depreciating items should be treated like what they are. Always go used, and upgrade according to income. Biggest drain on American perwonal wealth is people buying way to nice of a car in their 20'3/30's when they couldve put those payments to compounding interest.
Also rent and invest the difference works if your rent is low enough. In my situation I pay 1/3 of what a mortgage would be and invest the differenece. Thanks to the money printer at the FED I've made great return. Everyone understands equity and stable monthly payments, but right now almost everywhere in the country renting is FAR cheaper and smarter than a mortgage.
-high use items such as shoes, clothes, glaases, ect
Obviouslly within your budget, dont be wearing a rolex making 50k/year thinking "quality lasts bro". But nothing more cringe than an adult wearing gas station sun glasses or innapropriate shoes to outfit, poor fitting clothes, ect.
Not convinced on the car,depreciating items should be treated like what they are. Always go used, and upgrade according to income. Biggest drain on American perwonal wealth is people buying way to nice of a car in their 20'3/30's when they couldve put those payments to compounding interest.
Also rent and invest the difference works if your rent is low enough. In my situation I pay 1/3 of what a mortgage would be and invest the differenece. Thanks to the money printer at the FED I've made great return. Everyone understands equity and stable monthly payments, but right now almost everywhere in the country renting is FAR cheaper and smarter than a mortgage.
09-25-2023, 08:17 AM
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I know you know my argument, so lets just hear yours. Please keep this to normal cars, not collectors or super cars. Talking guys who make average income buying camry's and trucks.Why do you consider that cars are a depreciating asset
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Originally Posted By r32gojirra⏩
because most are.Why do you consider that cars are a depreciating asset
i have a pal that works in the automotive industry, mostly classic car/super car storage.
and they often get clients selling theirs for a %. he will buy cars he knows appreciate or hold value. like an old 911. Alpina BMW etc. and most of the time pay trade prices.
most wagecells buy new on finance. so yeah, the value drops like a stone and will end up in the junkyard in the future
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Sitting around cutting coupons beyond maybe seeing some really solid ones that stand out to you right out of the mailbox. It's never worth the hassle. Might as well work an OT or moonlighting shift at a job somewhere before wasting your spare time trying to save money by clipping coupons.
Trying to be frugal about women. There's nothing frugal about them, period.
Trying to be frugal about women. There's nothing frugal about them, period.
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Originally Posted By naich⏩
If you buy a new full sized truck you are officially retarded. Those things cost $100k these days. The only vehicles I would buy new are toyotas or Jeep Wranglers. For whatever reason tacomas and wranglers always hold value. You can't find a clapped out 4wd taco with less than 350k miles for less than $10k and its the same for wranglers.I know you know my argument, so lets just hear yours. Please keep this to normal cars, not collectors or super cars. Talking guys who make average income buying camry's and trucks.
Also if you let you let a quick lube place touch your vehicle your opinion on all things car related is invalid. LOL at letting an 80IQ felon with 2 hours worth of training do the most important maintenance on what is likely the 2nd most expensive thing you own. Nothing is more lazy and cheap than that
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Failing to see the value there usually is in buying in bulk across the board most of the time, not just for items they'd typically associate with Sam's Club/Costco/etc.
For example, I pay about $6 for car washes that other people pay $12 for because they don't buy them in bulk when they are advertised at heavy discounts. Blows my mind how often others just never figure stuff like that out.
For example, I pay about $6 for car washes that other people pay $12 for because they don't buy them in bulk when they are advertised at heavy discounts. Blows my mind how often others just never figure stuff like that out.
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terrible examples
none of that stuff is being frugal
none of that stuff is being frugal
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I am pretty frugal/ cheap but i also understand quality is worth the price.
That said, I need a drill. I dont need it for a huge project, I just use it for around the house stuff once in a while. Knowing this, it would be stupid to spend a fortune on a festool or the like as I will never use it to its potential. they make great tools but I simply dont need it for my needs. In this case, i can save money and get a cheapo one.
I dont expect it to perform or last like one 10 tines its price though.
I have a gold club analogy that I use. i have always had a fairly cheap set of clubs and can golf ok with them. nothing great but i dont put a ton of work into the game either so I have enough fun with what I have. You will always see a guy out there with the fanciest set of new clubs who cant golf worth a damn. The clubs can help make it a bit easier but if you dont know what you are doing you will still suck.
For me, the cheap clubs meet my needs.
That said, I need a drill. I dont need it for a huge project, I just use it for around the house stuff once in a while. Knowing this, it would be stupid to spend a fortune on a festool or the like as I will never use it to its potential. they make great tools but I simply dont need it for my needs. In this case, i can save money and get a cheapo one.
I dont expect it to perform or last like one 10 tines its price though.
I have a gold club analogy that I use. i have always had a fairly cheap set of clubs and can golf ok with them. nothing great but i dont put a ton of work into the game either so I have enough fun with what I have. You will always see a guy out there with the fanciest set of new clubs who cant golf worth a damn. The clubs can help make it a bit easier but if you dont know what you are doing you will still suck.
For me, the cheap clubs meet my needs.
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If you want to manage your budget responsibly, set a $ per day limit on what you spend for food, and don't bust it. Find foods which achieve your dieting goals that fit within your budget.
You'd be amazed at how much healthy food you can find that fits within your budget, and how much money you can save by not eating out all the time.
I challenged myself to $17/day.
$5 - Grapes to snack on
$3 - Salt/Pepper Popcorn Bag to snack on
$3 - Greek Yogurt for lunch
$4 - 2 30g protein organic chicken patties & low cal bread for dinner
Some people spend $17 just at lunch everyday.
You'd be amazed at how much healthy food you can find that fits within your budget, and how much money you can save by not eating out all the time.
I challenged myself to $17/day.
$5 - Grapes to snack on
$3 - Salt/Pepper Popcorn Bag to snack on
$3 - Greek Yogurt for lunch
$4 - 2 30g protein organic chicken patties & low cal bread for dinner
Some people spend $17 just at lunch everyday.
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Originally Posted By crupiea⏩
if you had a friend you could just ask to borrow his LOL!I am pretty frugal/ cheap but i also understand quality is worth the price.
That said, I need a drill. I dont need it for a huge project, I just use it for around the house stuff once in a while. Knowing this, it would be stupid to spend a fortune on a festool or the like as I will never use it to its potential. they make great tools but I simply dont need it for my needs. In this case, i can save money and get a cheapo one.
I dont expect it to perform or last like one 10 tines its price though.
I have a gold club analogy that I use. i have always had a fairly cheap set of clubs and can golf ok with them. nothing great but i dont put a ton of work into the game either so I have enough fun with what I have. You will always see a guy out there with the fanciest set of new clubs who cant golf worth a damn. The clubs can help make it a bit easier but if you dont know what you are doing you will still suck.
For me, the cheap clubs meet my needs.
That said, I need a drill. I dont need it for a huge project, I just use it for around the house stuff once in a while. Knowing this, it would be stupid to spend a fortune on a festool or the like as I will never use it to its potential. they make great tools but I simply dont need it for my needs. In this case, i can save money and get a cheapo one.
I dont expect it to perform or last like one 10 tines its price though.
I have a gold club analogy that I use. i have always had a fairly cheap set of clubs and can golf ok with them. nothing great but i dont put a ton of work into the game either so I have enough fun with what I have. You will always see a guy out there with the fanciest set of new clubs who cant golf worth a damn. The clubs can help make it a bit easier but if you dont know what you are doing you will still suck.
For me, the cheap clubs meet my needs.
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