Have you considered that the women may communicate with each other?

There are many women at the gym, and they don't all know each other. I don't want to restrict myself by avoiding approaches there.

I approached two different employees at a store in the mall on separate occasions. After the second time, the employee mentioned it to her co-workers, and some of them looked at me. I still visit the store, usually to buy water, but I keep it casual and don't flirt with the staff anymore.

Regarding the subject line of this thread, the above is neither "persistent" nor "respectful".

More importantly though it IS funny AF. Shoot your shot, no fuks given. I bet the mall/gym brahs would laugh their asses off at this display (in a good way).

It's completely out of character for me to send this type of message. I felt like being direct. She didn't follow me back, and I'm not head over heels for her. She's cute, but not someone I'd lose any sleep over if she rejected me. She's someone I look at and only picture short-term fun. It's the ones I can picture an LTR that make me feel things. I appreciate the compliment.

My brother in christ please unsend this before she reads it. Holy fook.

I know I said I'm out but I just can't stop looking at this train wreck lolll

Don't chit where you eat man. Women are gonna talk and gossip, that's what they do and then you'll just be seen as the creep who everyone should avoid. You don't want that title to stick. Stop treating this whole thing like Pokémon. You just want one girl, not all and your best bet is to do so by forming natural friendships over time and build rapport and respect. You want them to feel comfortable being in your space.

You're even scaring me and I'm a stranger on the internet. In person I'm sure it's at least 5x worse. Especially with that message you sent a random girl who is well above your league. You need to dial it way back and play in your league.

It's one of those invites to chat. I doubt she'll ever look at it. Don't care tbh.I'm the creep because I want to see if an attractive woman is interested in going out with me? You and I seem to have different philosophies about this. I'm not part of the gender with unlimited options. I have to seek out a relationship. None of this fairy tale scenario where I enter a Starbucks and win over a woman who's writing a blog post about how all men are evil. Also, lol @ that woman beingwell above my league. Okay, pal.

Yes, you're the creep if you go around the gym trying to hit on girls. It reeks of desperation and you have to understand that if you do it to many of them, they will all rightfully see that you aren't interested in them as individuals, you're just throwing your line out to catch ANYTHING. That cheapens the whole experience and women see and understand these dynamics far better than you do.Yes we have different philosophies but keep in mind I'm not the one who made a 30 page autismo thread of desperation to get laid. My philosophy is the one that actually works, not yours.
She is well above your league and no one here will deny that. You seem like the absolute worst kind of incel... The one that has an ego that's far above his actual station. You're not attractive, in looks or in your current strategy. It reeks of desperation, you're reducing women to walking vaginas. You don't actually care, you don't want a worthy connection with someone. This is all about stroking your ego.


Not gonna be surprised if and when you become our next Elliot Rodger when you keep getting rejected and the God complex+austim combo reaches full capacity.

Lol yeah those chicks will either laugh about him to the receptionist or report him to her and the receptionist will respond something like "Oh yeah, he's the creepy guy around here he does that to a lot of girls." Within a few months every single girl at the gym will probably know about him.

It might even reach the point where he'll get called out for this borderline harassment, it's pretty damn creepy. But hey, the self proclaimed non-autist has a different philosophy that has led to him having zero serious relationships with women in his entire 33 years old life. He seems completely oblivious to any of it too. I highly doubt we'll see any kind of change.

people still talk even if they don't know each other + if you see someone get approached then a few days later it's someone else then you are definitely going to mention it.

At least build a bit of a rapport for a short period before you shoot for the number. I doubt any of this pick up game thing works outside of youtube, if it does then it will be at the type of place where you're not going to be a regular.

Also lol at the watch, no idea how you think that will increase your chances.

I think you're blowing it out of proportion. I doubt anyone has said anything about me approaching women. The watch is an accessory. It's cool and fun to wear. It makes the look I'm going for more stylish.

This evening at the gym,M(the woman with a boyfriend) found me and approached me. I knew she was at the gym, but she was around 30 ft away from me and on the treadmill before she approached me. She wanted to talk to me for a bit and apologize for how she left things. I was going to shake her hand, but I had chalk on it (I showed her my palms). She rubbed a few of her fingers on my palm and then I showed her my liquid chalk. She told me about how she's been busy and how her days are long at school (where she works). I told her I'm still cutting and have been making decent progress. I also told her I've got some appointments coming up and am going to take some time off from work. She told me she wants to respect her boyfriend so that's why she hasn't been talking to me. I told her I miss talking to her and she said she misses talking to me too. She said we can talk to each other at the gym. I asked her, "Can I hug you?" She said, "I'm all sweaty." I didn't reply, then she smiled and leaned in and we hugged. The last thing I said to her was, "Have a good night." I'm glad I didn't go full beta and sound desperate. I briefly said something that gave her a reason why I didn't reply to her text. I am not going to ruin things by asking her out because she clearly wants to respect her boyfriend's wishes (although she's found a loop hole and is talking to me anyway, only at the gym for now). She looked so good. I complimented her by saying, "You look great." I really wanted to take her back to my place.

In other news, one of the women I want to approach smiled at me as she walked by me. That's the second time it's happened. I am going to talk to her sometime when she's alone. She's young and cute.

I have my second virtual consultation with the plastic surgeon (for rhinoplasty) on Wednesday and after that I have an appointment to see a sports medicine doctor to address my chronic pain. I have a dermatology appointment on Thursday. I tried to book a psychiatry appointment, but I'll have to try again tomorrow unless the place I called returns my call.

The 25 y/o single mom of 2's sister removed me from IG so I blocked the sister on IG. I don't think I'll be hearing back from the single mom. I don't really care, but this means I have 0 prospects at the moment. I've got to work on me before getting back on dating apps and approaching IRL (with some small exceptions to approaching IRL, one being if there are any IOIs shown to me by a woman at the gym).

I took a picture of my left forearm after I biked home from the gym. I can't wait to get lean. I think my forearms will look pretty cool. I'm probably in the 14% body fat range at the moment.

You're officially a beta orbiter simp.

And she seems like a loyal woman (bolded).

I agree that she seems like a loyal woman. In that post, I also wrote about how I have 0 prospects at the moment. I don't see how I'm abeta orbiter simp. If I'm available, she has my number. However, I'm not holding out for her.

I've been down so bad recently and bored. I was thinking about askingKif she would eat at the mall with me if I bought her the new iPhone. I thought the better of it after asking ChatGPT about it.

I was being sarcastic.Sounds like a good idea.

That you?


I’d imagine right… it’s probably true that 95% of the world doesn’t care about democrat covid criminals attempt to avoid prosecution


Will send text to verify closer to date

I didn't sense the sarcasm regarding loyalty. I figured you meant it because she hasn't cheated on her bf with me and it's been close to 2 months since we met.

However, I do sense the sarcasm regarding my offer of an iPhone for a meal. I'm going to play the long game withKand hit her up when I'm moreestablished. I have an idea of being post-rhino, lean, and more.
No idea what you're talking about.

What are you gonna do, send her more pics?

Son, just keep putting yourself out there, srs.

Trial-and-error, learn from your failures is the only way to get stronger. Find out what works, and what doesn't. No one expects you to be a cassanova, don juan overnight. It takes REAL world experience, and that's what you're getting from the school of hard-knocks.

It'll suck when going through the failures, you may seem to have missed your chance with "the one", but don't let that get you down. There will ALWAYS be another one down the road. Hold your chin up. Just live and learn, get stronger by the day.

Just don't make the SAME mistakes over and over again.

The plan is to gain a bit more of a following (hopefully at least 1,000 followers) on IG then send her a request. It's smart too because she will look at my profile and see pictures of me, but I'm not directly sending them to her. To gain the following, I plan on being lean and post-rhino. I want to post progress pics and training tips/pics/vids. In October 2016, I was 230 lbs and didn't lift. I was obese. I have a few pics and vids of me from back then. I want to inspire others. Also, the rhino is to fit in with society and boost my confidence. Not a single woman WANTS the type of nose I have on her partner. That doesn't mean some women aren't more accepting of it. As I've stated regarding rhino: I'm aiming for better facial harmony with a natural looking, masculine appearance to the nose.Haven't heard from you in a minute, pops. Most definitely trial and error. The biggest takeaway from the past month or so is to NOT come across as desperate/overly eager. I did that withKwhen I should have played it cool, calm, and collected. Thank you. I'm doing my best to avoid making the same mistakes. There are always other women - yes. However, there's always a possibility that I end up with a woman I've already met. You're making me feel like I should go out and try again this weekend.

In short: No, I haven't even kissed a woman since making this thread.

Edit: Going to bed. Appreciate the replies tonight, folks. <3

Spoke toMon 3 occasions at the gym this evening. She approached me each time. I enjoy talking with her. I could see myself with her. Going to try some salsa she recommended and watch a movie she and I discussed last time we met outside of the gym.

My new glasses came in, but I need to start wearing contacts. My rhinoplasty is scheduled for October 12th and I won't be able to wear glasses for a while. I have appointments next week for Invisalign and contacts. I'm going to practice the technique so hopefully I can insert and remove my contacts. My dermatologist prescribed Tretinoin 0.05% and said to use it for 6 months. I'm starting that as soon as I can after surgery. It should hopefully improve the pores on my nose.

this thread appears to be strong as ever lmao

Today I tried contacts again and failed, but got a bit closer. Going to practice the technique more at home before I try again. My rhino surgery is next Thursday. I am scared yet hopeful about the result. Full results take up to 1.5 years to show, but should see swelling reduce as time passes. As a backup, since I can't wear glasses that touch my nose for at least 6-8 weeks, I bought this for home use:



Talked toMat the gym this evening for about 30 minutes. Most of it was her telling me about how she's been, which I enjoyed. She was interested in knowing what day I do legs. I ended up agreeing to meet her this Friday so we can workout together. Weighed 162 lbs, which is the lightest I've been during this cut. I did a refeed this past Sunday where I hit 2,665 calories with 451 g of carbs. That may have helped with my plateau of 165 lbs. Getting around 1,950 calories per day at the moment.

get daily disposable contacts, if you wear contacts

be sure to follow your doc's post op instructions (taping, not exercising until a number of days/weeks after, etc)

use tretinoin only at night, and always wear sunscreen, especially on tretinoin

Thank you so much for the reply. Yeah, I tried dailies today. I'm embarrassed to say it's difficult for me to put a contact in. Spent 50 minutes earlier today with nothing but failing. It's a hurdle I'll have to overcome.

I'll be following the post-op instructions very closely as healing properly is the most important. I know my calorie counting and macro tracking is going to help, as well as my love of staying hydrated by drinking water. Quality protein is going to help with recovery too. I believe I'm allowed to resume light exercise 1-2 weeks after the procedure, but will confirm. Cast is removed and I fly back home after 1 week.

Right on about Tretinoin - I'll put it on as soon as allowed post-op and only at nighttime:



Here's my vitamin stack that I plan on resuming post-op; any suggestions for additional supplements are welcome.

^^

I speak from experience, since I used to wear contacts (before getting PRK), used tretinoin for the past decade, and had a rhinoplasty 8 years ago

I wish i flew out of state when I did my rhino. How did you find your doctor?

Contacts are still iffy for me, but I hope I can get over the physical and mental blocks. I'm such a noob - I should have visited a quality dermatologist years ago. Dang, wouldn't have guessed a fellow miscer had rhino.

I found my rhino doctor by Googling rhinoplasty and sifting through photos. I randomly selected photos I liked and kept seeing the same doctor's name again and again: Dr. Richard Reish. I then looked at his reviews on Google, his posts on Instagram, website, YouTube videos, etc. I made my decision 1.5 months after the initial virtual consultation. I didn't spend much time trying to find someone else. I noticed many people come to him for revision rhinoplasty as well and he does a great job fixing previous doctors' mistakes. I feel he's a genuinely good surgeon who knows his stuff and goes for quality, natural looking appearances.

a lot of people abuse contacts from what i've heard; sleep in them, use them past their recommended usage, don't clean them (if they're non-daillies), re-use dailies, don't wash their hands, the list goes on. i saw a guy at the gym whose contact fell out of his eye, he put them in his mouth to re-wet them after picking them off the ground, then put it back in his eye.

daillies are the best option if you had to wear contacts. some brands are better than others depending on the shape of your eye... i liked the acuvue oasys one day, felt like nothing was there, didn't dry up for me and costco sold them

I'm too methodical and by the book to do any of those things. If I struggle again in the class, I'll ask if they can let me practice at home instead. I don't like the mirror they make me use - it's a makeup mirror. Definitely dailies as it seems like less hassle.

I just got back and finished showering. I had a great workout withM. It's funny because we don't text - we set it up on Wednesday and stuck to the meet. She did deadlifts up to 245 lbs for 4 reps and I did as well (I did 3). I'm really strict with my technique, so it's actually decent weight considering I've been cutting for nearly 9 weeks. I think I impressed her with the strictness of my L-sit pullups that I did between sets, hehe. I can do at least 10 with a neutral grip, starting from a dead hang and going all the way up and slow on the negative. We had great conversation and at the end she wanted to know what mysecretis. I told her I'm getting surgery. She's excited about it and doesn't judge me for it. She seemed to imply she could use some work as well, saying something like, "Everyone can be better." I told her she's beautiful and I wouldn't change a thing. We hugged and I'm hoping to see her 2-3 weeks from today. I'm not holding out on her eventually becoming my girlfriend, but it is nice spending time with her. I liked how at one point we touched each other's forearms to feel our pumps and I massaged her a little. Damn.

Fukkin LOL this mentally ill retard is seriously going to get plastic surgery holy chit. This thread just keeps getting worse.