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post 1692222533 10-24-2023, 12:15 PM
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People who eat lots of red meat in general don't give a f*ck about their diet.


I am not talking about the Joe Rogan's of the world that understand the diet science behind eating meat but rather the fat guys that schedule every other saturday to smoke a 12 pound brisket or the average fast food goer that grabs a double cheeseburger for lunch. They have generally chit diets and eat a lot of other garbage food that increases the risk of diabetes and heart disease
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Without looking at the study, I bet many jews are directly involved.
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Originally Posted By Gainzzz⏩
The vast majority of studies on nutrition are complete horsechit. They did some metabolic ward studies back in the day which are legit because they could be properly controlled.

The diet world is split into two camps. High fat, low carb (paleo/keto types) & low fat, high carb (plant based types). Both claim the other side causes diabetes and heart disease and cancer. Miraculously though, sick people seem to improve massively on both diets.It's almost as if the real issues are oils, sugar, and processed foods.
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post 1692227503 10-24-2023, 01:37 PM
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There's only so much you can do with observational data. But, if these authors did an experimental study,, miscers would complain about lack of ecological validity (without reading the study).
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My initial suspicion is that it is a junk study also. I don't eat red meat myself but imagine most people wouldn't have much issue with it.

Kind of funny in a way too when looking into type 2 diabetes and how it is officially defined.
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Originally Posted By ParsleyTea⏩
My initial suspicion is that it is a junk study also. I don't eat red meat myself but imagine most people wouldn't have much issue with it.

Kind of funny in a way too when looking into type 2 diabetes and how it is officially defined.
Did you interrogate your suspicion by reading the study?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
There's only so much you can do with observational data. But, if these authors did an experimental study,, miscers would complain about lack of ecological validity (without reading the study).
Ditch red meat, embrace the jabs instead, and "impossible" meat.....
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Ditch red meat, embrace the jabs instead, and "impossible" meat.....
Wat

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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Wat

Hurr Durr, what????
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I'm pretty sure this is the same study that was posted about a week ago. The original study was done by an arm of Harvard. If you look at this research facility, the donors are a bunch of liberal globalist extremists.

Harvard, once the pinnacle of research and education, has become a cesspool of extremism. Take everything coming out of that school with a grain of salt at this point
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
I'm pretty sure this is the same study that was posted about a week ago. The original study was done by an arm of Harvard. If you look at this research facility, the donors are a bunch of liberal globalist extremists.

Harvard, once the pinnacle of research and education, has become a cesspool of extremism. Take everything coming out of that school with a grain of salt at this point
"Funding
The Nurses’ Health Study (NHS), NHS II, and Health Professionals Follow-up Study are supported by the National Institute of Health (grants UM1 CA186107, U01 CA176726, and U01 CA167552). The content is solely the responsibility of the authors and does not necessarily represent the official views of the National Institutes of Health."






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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
"Funding
The Nurses’ Health Study (NHS), NHS II, and Health Professionals Follow-up Study are supported by the National Institute of Health (grants UM1 CA186107, U01 CA176726, and U01 CA167552). The content is solely the responsibility of the authors and does not necessarily represent the official views of the National Institutes of Health."






I clicked the link and sure enough, confirmed that it is a leftist research group.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
I clicked the link and sure enough, confirmed that it is a leftist research group.
I see.

Those are the grants.

You wouldn't be the first to suggest scientific pursuit is more left than right
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Here is a nice breakdown of the ridiculous study, if anyone had any doubts to how much crap it was:

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

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The more i read about bodybuilding and specificity, the more i realize that we all need detailed blood work ON OURSELVES.
Studies are cool but we really care about how it changes YOUR numbers specifically, not a bunch of nurses with different genetics.
You see this in how things with diff people elicit diff results.
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Originally Posted By pondus_levo⏩
Yet Jordan Peterson has eaten nothing but steak for the last 6 years and is the healthiest he has ever been. Same with his daughter.
It will catch up to them. Plenty of people drink excessive amounts of alcohol daily and stay fit and appear healthy. Causation, correlation, son.

But hey, you dinosaurs will one day realize plants are the key to prosperity; too bad you'll have one leg and a nutsack in the grave by then.
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Location and ethnicity should also considered. I'm 1/4 Aboriginal Canadian and I eat red meat every day. Natives traditionally ate a meat-based diet. Depending on the time of year Natives ate meat 70%-100% of the time.

Inuit(Eskimos) ate 100% meat in the winter. When they were first studied researchers found that Inuits had 0% diabetes and 0% heart disease. Nearly impossible to develop diabetes when you don't eat carbs and the fish they ate was high in healthy fats.

Today Diabetes runs 300% higher among Natives and Inuit because of the switch to a carb-based diet. Doctors and Dietitians are urging Natives to switch back to a meat-based diet.

FWIW I ate a T-bone steak for supper and will probably eat a half rack of ribs with rice for my pre-workout meal.

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The Bible even says not to eat meat with the blood still in it.
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brah, that's literally modern science for you.

Big Pharma: hey scientists, here is a grant to prove our product is safe and effective. ignore everything else ok?

Scientists who basically work for Big Pharma: lets get that bag guys
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Originally Posted By TKD6Million⏩
Without looking at the study, I bet many jews are directly involved.
I love how Misc finally took the Black pill and went full antizionist.

Originally Posted By z4v4⏩
It will catch up to them. Plenty of people drink excessive amounts of alcohol daily and stay fit and appear healthy. Causation, correlation, son.

But hey, you dinosaurs will one day realize plants are the key to prosperity; too bad you'll have one leg and a nutsack in the grave by then.
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Originally Posted By swoleyo⏩
Jordan Peterson is one of the smartest and socially cunning men of our time. You're a subhuman compared to him so don't talk like your opinion actually means something. Eat your greens in a corner and die slowly while staying silent.
If he's so smart, why is he so poor and a drug addict? Ya gotta luv a guy talking about people keeping their rooms clean while his room looks like a Gaza hospital after an explosion, son.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I see.

Those are the grants.

You wouldn't be the first to suggest scientific pursuit is more left than right
Research studies are lucrative, so researchers pump out lower quality studies to make more money. It's from these low quality studies that leftists cherry pick from, like gender studies etc.

The biggest donors for bad research tend to be leftists, because research facilities generally don't have enough incentive to do them. Before studies were so heavily funded, research was done based on demand; things that help society. Now studies are heavily funded to fit narratives.

It turned research upside, or backwards. This creates backwards studies. The left is backwards. Makes sense
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Hard for me to be exctied about a Harvard study, as poorly as Ivy league schools have become. I have seen testimonial of type 2 diabetics being able to control their type 2 with diet changes. The two diets that seems to help are vegetarian/vegan diet and a low carb diet. If you have type 2 and can handle red meats a low carb diet seems to be the way to go. If red meat causes you problems then a vegan or vegetarian diet should be looked into.

I can remember reading about Dr. Walter Kepner and how he was able to successfully treat type 2 diabetics with a high carb, high sugar diet. It was called a rice diet. Kidney function, circulation, eye sight would improve on his rice diet. People would also see big weight loss. His findings were shocking to me.

Walter Kempner, MD – Founder of the Rice Diet

https://www.drmcdougall.com/educatio...the-rice-diet/
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
Research studies are lucrative, so researchers pump out lower quality studies to make more money. It's from these low quality studies that leftists cherry pick from, like gender studies etc.

The biggest donors for bad research tend to be leftists, because research facilities generally don't have enough incentive to do them. Before studies were so heavily funded, research was done based on demand; things that help society. Now studies are heavily funded to fit narratives.

It turned research upside, or backwards. This creates backwards studies. The left is backwards. Makes sense
How are they lucrative?

Grants fund projects (supplies, participant payments, grad students).

I dunno which research facilities you're referencing, but this work was done at a university.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
How are they lucrative?

Grants fund projects (supplies, participant payments, grad students).

I dunno which research facilities you're referencing, but this work was done at a university.
I'm sure there were studies in the past talking about how healthy the food pyramid was.....
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
I'm sure there were studies in the past talking about how healthy the food pyramid was.....
Maybe.

But, that has nothing to do with Kraken's claims.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Maybe.

But, that has nothing to do with Kraken's claims.
And if we had the internet back in the 80s, you would use those studies justifying why tons of bread and carbs were healthy......
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
And if we had the internet back in the 80s, you would use those studies justifying why tons of bread and carbs were healthy......
I have no idea what you're talking about. Do you not know scientific journals predate the internet?

I was responding to Kraken's claim that academics conduct intentionally bad studies to get rich. Silliness.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I have no idea what you're talking about. Do you not know scientific journals predate the internet?

I was responding to Kraken's claim that academics conduct intentionally bad studies to get rich. Silliness.
Right, like how the unvaccinated were a threat to the vaccinated, and if you got the jab, you were 100% protected against the Rona?
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Right, like how the unvaccinated were a threat to the vaccinated, and if you got the jab, you were 100% protected against the Rona?
Wat?

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