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What is the pragmatic step forward for Isr***?
I'm one of the lefties who generally stands pretty firm with Israel. But it's quite clear that the majority of support in the west is heavily palestine biased. US and UK mainstream political parties are literally losing not-insignificant numbers of voters over this right now. I don't know a single person IRL other than Jews who are supporting Israel.
How does Israel simultaneously
1) Eliminate a terror group who is committed to eradicating Israel regardless
2) Minimise Palestinian casualties in any military operations
3) Regain at least enough favourability among the current Zeitgeist that western govts won't be forced to abandon their commitments
Or will they just say **** it, we have nukes, we'll go it alone?
How does Israel simultaneously
1) Eliminate a terror group who is committed to eradicating Israel regardless
2) Minimise Palestinian casualties in any military operations
3) Regain at least enough favourability among the current Zeitgeist that western govts won't be forced to abandon their commitments
Or will they just say **** it, we have nukes, we'll go it alone?
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11-03-2023, 09:17 PM
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the west is against israel?
bruh the whole world is against israel
literally the only significant country that voted in the latest UN ceasefire favoring Israel was the USA, and thats only because our government are nearly all jewish.
the world is seeing that the USA is ran by a bunch of kid killing war mongering toddler brained zionist psychos hellbent on spreading our gayness and trannyism on other countries while also funding the jewish ukraine cause and the jewish israel cause.
I think all Israel has on their side at this point are the fake Christian evangelicals and the fox news boomers. both of who are dying off.
we are basically isolating ourselves from the world all for this greatest ally, an abusive, 1 sided bitch of a greatest ally that bombs us on occasion, blackmails our leaders and gets us involved in wars that they do not even bother sending a SINGLE military troop to help with. LOL
Its already too late for Israel, they better get their gay samson option ready in my opinion
bruh the whole world is against israel
literally the only significant country that voted in the latest UN ceasefire favoring Israel was the USA, and thats only because our government are nearly all jewish.
the world is seeing that the USA is ran by a bunch of kid killing war mongering toddler brained zionist psychos hellbent on spreading our gayness and trannyism on other countries while also funding the jewish ukraine cause and the jewish israel cause.
I think all Israel has on their side at this point are the fake Christian evangelicals and the fox news boomers. both of who are dying off.
we are basically isolating ourselves from the world all for this greatest ally, an abusive, 1 sided bitch of a greatest ally that bombs us on occasion, blackmails our leaders and gets us involved in wars that they do not even bother sending a SINGLE military troop to help with. LOL
Its already too late for Israel, they better get their gay samson option ready in my opinion
11-03-2023, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted By Leonydus⏩
So what country do you think you'd better fit with? Srs, it's clearly not the USA.the west is against israel?
bruh the whole world is against israel
literally the only significant country that voted in the latest UN ceasefire favoring Israel was the USA, and thats only because our government are nearly all jewish.
the world is seeing that the USA is ran by a bunch of kid killing war mongering toddler brained zionist psychos hellbent on spreading our gayness and trannyism on other countries while also funding the jewish ukraine cause and the jewish israel cause.
I think all Israel has on their side at this point are the fake Christian evangelicals and the fox news boomers. both of who are dying off.
we are basically isolating ourselves from the world all for this greatest ally, an abusive, 1 sided bitch of a greatest ally that bombs us on occasion, blackmails our leaders and gets us involved in wars that they do not even bother sending a SINGLE military troop to help with. LOL
Its already too late for Israel, they better get their gay samson option ready in my opinion
bruh the whole world is against israel
literally the only significant country that voted in the latest UN ceasefire favoring Israel was the USA, and thats only because our government are nearly all jewish.
the world is seeing that the USA is ran by a bunch of kid killing war mongering toddler brained zionist psychos hellbent on spreading our gayness and trannyism on other countries while also funding the jewish ukraine cause and the jewish israel cause.
I think all Israel has on their side at this point are the fake Christian evangelicals and the fox news boomers. both of who are dying off.
we are basically isolating ourselves from the world all for this greatest ally, an abusive, 1 sided bitch of a greatest ally that bombs us on occasion, blackmails our leaders and gets us involved in wars that they do not even bother sending a SINGLE military troop to help with. LOL
Its already too late for Israel, they better get their gay samson option ready in my opinion
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It just looks like the majority of the support in the West is Palestinian based, silent majority is with Israel or neutral.
11-04-2023, 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted By Leonydus⏩
https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3880the west is against israel?
bruh the whole world is against israel
literally the only significant country that voted in the latest UN ceasefire favoring Israel was the USA, and thats only because our government are nearly all jewish.
the world is seeing that the USA is ran by a bunch of kid killing war mongering toddler brained zionist psychos hellbent on spreading our gayness and trannyism on other countries while also funding the jewish ukraine cause and the jewish israel cause.
I think all Israel has on their side at this point are the fake Christian evangelicals and the fox news boomers. both of who are dying off.
we are basically isolating ourselves from the world all for this greatest ally, an abusive, 1 sided bitch of a greatest ally that bombs us on occasion, blackmails our leaders and gets us involved in wars that they do not even bother sending a SINGLE military troop to help with. LOL
Its already too late for Israel, they better get their gay samson option ready in my opinion
bruh the whole world is against israel
literally the only significant country that voted in the latest UN ceasefire favoring Israel was the USA, and thats only because our government are nearly all jewish.
the world is seeing that the USA is ran by a bunch of kid killing war mongering toddler brained zionist psychos hellbent on spreading our gayness and trannyism on other countries while also funding the jewish ukraine cause and the jewish israel cause.
I think all Israel has on their side at this point are the fake Christian evangelicals and the fox news boomers. both of who are dying off.
we are basically isolating ourselves from the world all for this greatest ally, an abusive, 1 sided bitch of a greatest ally that bombs us on occasion, blackmails our leaders and gets us involved in wars that they do not even bother sending a SINGLE military troop to help with. LOL
Its already too late for Israel, they better get their gay samson option ready in my opinion
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11-04-2023, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted By isingmodel⏩
https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3880I'm one of the lefties who generally stands pretty firm with Israel. But it's quite clear that the majority of support in the west is heavily palestine biased. US and UK mainstream political parties are literally losing not-insignificant numbers of voters over this right now. I don't know a single person IRL other than Jews who are supporting Israel.
How does Israel simultaneously
1) Eliminate a terror group who is committed to eradicating Israel regardless
2) Minimise Palestinian casualties in any military operations
3) Regain at least enough favourability among the current Zeitgeist that western govts won't be forced to abandon their commitments
Or will they just say **** it, we have nukes, we'll go it alone?
How does Israel simultaneously
1) Eliminate a terror group who is committed to eradicating Israel regardless
2) Minimise Palestinian casualties in any military operations
3) Regain at least enough favourability among the current Zeitgeist that western govts won't be forced to abandon their commitments
Or will they just say **** it, we have nukes, we'll go it alone?
11-04-2023, 06:32 AM
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Netanyahu was recently recorded citing1 Samuel 15:3 in a clip that has gone viral.
“Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.”
“Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.”
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Slaughtering terrorists while pissing the left off. Powerless to do anything to support Hamas cause.
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Israels true Iron Dome is that the propaganda machine that protects them is run/controlled by Western jews.
That said,for the reasons in the OP, IMO, its in their best interest to find a long term solution to this, as even though their Super Pacs/Billionaire jewish donors are able to control the current boomer politicians(on both sides) IDK if that will be true for the next crop of hard core true leftists coming up?
GOP evangelicals, yeah they will kill their own offspring for Israel...but like I said, that growing true leftist political movement, not so much...at least until real money starts flowing their way, then who knows??
That said,for the reasons in the OP, IMO, its in their best interest to find a long term solution to this, as even though their Super Pacs/Billionaire jewish donors are able to control the current boomer politicians(on both sides) IDK if that will be true for the next crop of hard core true leftists coming up?
GOP evangelicals, yeah they will kill their own offspring for Israel...but like I said, that growing true leftist political movement, not so much...at least until real money starts flowing their way, then who knows??
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Israel will cease to exist as a zionist entity by the end of the next generation, which is starting to come to the fore. Hypocrites and anti-intellectuals like OP will jump ship over the next few years.
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11-04-2023, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted By RIKTER⏩
I thought "Iron Dome" was when a Jewish girl with braces gives you head?Israels true Iron Dome is that the propaganda machine that protects them is run/controlled by Western jews.
That said,for the reasons in the OP, IMO, its in their best interest to find a long term solution to this, as even though their Super Pacs/Billionaire jewish donors are able to control the current boomer politicians(on both sides) IDK if that will be true for the next crop of hard core true leftists coming up?
GOP evangelicals, yeah they will kill their own offspring for Israel...but like I said, that growing true leftist political movement, not so much...at least until real money starts flowing their way, then who knows??
That said,for the reasons in the OP, IMO, its in their best interest to find a long term solution to this, as even though their Super Pacs/Billionaire jewish donors are able to control the current boomer politicians(on both sides) IDK if that will be true for the next crop of hard core true leftists coming up?
GOP evangelicals, yeah they will kill their own offspring for Israel...but like I said, that growing true leftist political movement, not so much...at least until real money starts flowing their way, then who knows??
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Originally Posted By MasterMorality⏩
Nope. Not what the Bible says. Israel is forever. God is likely a Zionist. SrsIsrael will cease to exist as a zionist entity by the end of the next generation, which is starting to come to the fore. Hypocrites and anti-intellectuals like OP will jump ship over the next few years.
11-04-2023, 07:41 AM
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Guess that is why modern Israel had to be created via backroom politics, warfare and terrorism lol.Nope. Not what the Bible says. Israel is forever. God is likely a Zionist. Srs
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11-04-2023, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted By Deathstroke⏩
Nope. The modern State of Israel is not at all the Israel which Christ speaks of in the Gospels. In the new covenant, Christ’s Church became the new Israel. That was after the Old Testament Israel and way before 1948.Nope. Not what the Bible says. Israel is forever. God is likely a Zionist. Srs
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Originally Posted By 129iq⏩
The loudest ones make everyone believe otherwise. Also, have you seen the protests? Usually filled with brown people and leftists who are still wearing masks.
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Originally Posted By MasterMorality⏩
Sure guy, people like you said the same thing twenty years ago. But I'm sure your wish will eventually come true.....Israel will cease to exist as a zionist entity by the end of the next generation, which is starting to come to the fore. Hypocrites and anti-intellectuals like OP will jump ship over the next few years.
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Originally Posted By OPGenesis⏩
Bibi loves his illustrations.Netanyahu was recently recorded citing1 Samuel 15:3 in a clip that has gone viral.
“Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.”
“Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.”
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Yeah it's honestly pretty wild that so many people are actually pro-Failestine.
IMO Israel has every right to level Hamas. But, the US should stay out of it.
IMO Israel has every right to level Hamas. But, the US should stay out of it.
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Originally Posted By John
Once again, when you look at the protests, it's usually filled with brown people.Yeah it's honestly pretty wild that so many people are actually pro-Failestine.
IMO Israel has every right to level Hamas. But, the US should stay out of it.
IMO Israel has every right to level Hamas. But, the US should stay out of it.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Can’t be any worse than dumb cops.Once again, when you look at the protests, it's usually filled with brown people.
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Originally Posted By OPGenesis⏩
Probably filled with unemployed bottom feeders like yourself as well.Can’t be any worse than dumb cops.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
99% of strong Palestinian supporters have strong sympathies to one of 3 groups:The loudest ones make everyone believe otherwise. Also, have you seen the protests? Usually filled with brown people and leftists who are still wearing masks.
Communists
Nazis
Islamists
Someone like dabb is an extreme outlier. The view that the highest IQ people are more likely to believe than the extreme sides :
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What you mean is, radical leftists are trying to eject Jews from the Democrat party.
Israel should do what it is currently doing. Tell civilians where not to be, and destroy any and all military assets in those regions.
The US should stop sending humanitarian AID. Obviously if the Palestinians can afford to invade Israel they don't need help.
Israel should do what it is currently doing. Tell civilians where not to be, and destroy any and all military assets in those regions.
The US should stop sending humanitarian AID. Obviously if the Palestinians can afford to invade Israel they don't need help.
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I don't foresee Israel surviving as an independent state in the next 100 years for the following reasons:
a) The Arab states (and the Muslim world) are committed to the removal of the Jewish presence from "Islamic lands". There is no compromise on this basic principle and never will be.
b) The Arabs have the luxury of time; just like the Crusades, they will wait centuries if need be, but they will ultimately prevail in taking back what they consider to be their land. (Colonialism narrative)
c) While the Muslims are committed to their cause, the same cannot be said about the Jewish people. They have many different feelings, ideas, and divisions about the whole conflict.
d) The youth of Israel will not want to live in a climate of continued conflict/tension and move to different countries around the world. Israel's population will dwindle over time. The Arab population will keep growing.
e) The religious commitment is not as strong among the younger Jews compared to their elders and certainly not as strong as Muslims.
a) The Arab states (and the Muslim world) are committed to the removal of the Jewish presence from "Islamic lands". There is no compromise on this basic principle and never will be.
b) The Arabs have the luxury of time; just like the Crusades, they will wait centuries if need be, but they will ultimately prevail in taking back what they consider to be their land. (Colonialism narrative)
c) While the Muslims are committed to their cause, the same cannot be said about the Jewish people. They have many different feelings, ideas, and divisions about the whole conflict.
d) The youth of Israel will not want to live in a climate of continued conflict/tension and move to different countries around the world. Israel's population will dwindle over time. The Arab population will keep growing.
e) The religious commitment is not as strong among the younger Jews compared to their elders and certainly not as strong as Muslims.
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Israel is just gonna continue doing what they are doing. It isn't right, but Hamas essentially declared total war by attacking civs so brazenly. Israel will rationally retaliate against civs as well. It's disgusting and sad, but it is not unexpected. This is how war works. I'd like to see the US take a more principled approach in promoting negotiations to prevent a full scale war. But again, what we can expect is that the US will rationally side with Israel. It's a chit situation.
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Originally Posted By Shortfuze⏩
Once again, people had this same opinion 20-30 years ago.I don't foresee Israel surviving as an independent state in the next 100 years for the following reasons:
a) The Arab states (and the Muslim world) are committed to the removal of the Jewish presence from "Islamic lands". There is no compromise on this basic principle and never will be.
b) The Arabs have the luxury of time; just like the Crusades, they will wait centuries if need be, but they will ultimately prevail in taking back what they consider to be their land. (Colonialism narrative)
c) While the Muslims are committed to their cause, the same cannot be said about the Jewish people. They have many different feelings, ideas, and divisions about the whole conflict.
d) The youth of Israel will not want to live in a climate of continued conflict/tension and move to different countries around the world. Israel's population will dwindle over time. The Arab population will keep growing.
e) The religious commitment is not as strong among the younger Jews compared to their elders and certainly not as strong as Muslims.
a) The Arab states (and the Muslim world) are committed to the removal of the Jewish presence from "Islamic lands". There is no compromise on this basic principle and never will be.
b) The Arabs have the luxury of time; just like the Crusades, they will wait centuries if need be, but they will ultimately prevail in taking back what they consider to be their land. (Colonialism narrative)
c) While the Muslims are committed to their cause, the same cannot be said about the Jewish people. They have many different feelings, ideas, and divisions about the whole conflict.
d) The youth of Israel will not want to live in a climate of continued conflict/tension and move to different countries around the world. Israel's population will dwindle over time. The Arab population will keep growing.
e) The religious commitment is not as strong among the younger Jews compared to their elders and certainly not as strong as Muslims.
11-04-2023, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted By Shortfuze⏩
In 100 years, if human development continues, Islam in its current extreme form (seen in certain areas of the Middle East) will cease to exist, much like how historical Christian extremism has largely been eliminated. Every new generation is less religious than the last due to science and technology rapidly changing civilization. People act like nations have fixed identities. They don't.I don't foresee Israel surviving as an independent state in the next 100 years for the following reasons:
a) The Arab states (and the Muslim world) are committed to the removal of the Jewish presence from "Islamic lands". There is no compromise on this basic principle and never will be.
b) The Arabs have the luxury of time; just like the Crusades, they will wait centuries if need be, but they will ultimately prevail in taking back what they consider to be their land. (Colonialism narrative)
c) While the Muslims are committed to their cause, the same cannot be said about the Jewish people. They have many different feelings, ideas, and divisions about the whole conflict.
d) The youth of Israel will not want to live in a climate of continued conflict/tension and move to different countries around the world. Israel's population will dwindle over time. The Arab population will keep growing.
e) The religious commitment is not as strong among the younger Jews compared to their elders and certainly not as strong as Muslims.
a) The Arab states (and the Muslim world) are committed to the removal of the Jewish presence from "Islamic lands". There is no compromise on this basic principle and never will be.
b) The Arabs have the luxury of time; just like the Crusades, they will wait centuries if need be, but they will ultimately prevail in taking back what they consider to be their land. (Colonialism narrative)
c) While the Muslims are committed to their cause, the same cannot be said about the Jewish people. They have many different feelings, ideas, and divisions about the whole conflict.
d) The youth of Israel will not want to live in a climate of continued conflict/tension and move to different countries around the world. Israel's population will dwindle over time. The Arab population will keep growing.
e) The religious commitment is not as strong among the younger Jews compared to their elders and certainly not as strong as Muslims.
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