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post 1693444893 11-15-2023, 11:17 PM
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Figured I’d make a “controversial” thread. Israel has a right to exist.

I disagree with it’s current actions, I disagree with it’s draconian laws against non-Jews. I disagree with it’s illegal settlements and violence in the west bank.


I agree with it’s right to exist. They have been around for many decades, built up the land tremendously. Agriculturally and technologically, and they earned it at this point. Give some credit where it’s due.

I’m not naive enough to think that this generation will forgive others for their dead family members (or whole families). It’s why I was against more violence. It creates another generation or two of guaranteed conflict. I just hope that the grandchildren of the Palestinians and the grandchildren of the Israelis have the wisdom that we failed to achieve in 2023.


Of course this leads to more questions. How much land should they have? What is a fair two state solution? Etc.
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They have the right to exist, but not with us funneling them billions or using our military as bodyguards
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post 1693445113 11-15-2023, 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted By TaeBoNinja⏩
They have the right to exist, but not with us funneling them billions or using our military as bodyguards
No doubt. America needs to focus on America.
post 1693445283 11-15-2023, 11:43 PM
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You all do realize we are in a Cold War with China, Russia, and Iran as they actively try to destroy our country and economy so the west is no longer the worlds super power and they take over right?

If you don’t think COVID, Ukraine, the Hamas attacks were all perfectly timed as part of a plan to take resources off Ukraine, spread resources thin, and cause political instability within western nations, then you will be extra shocked when China invades Taiwan early next year.

Morons in this country are so busy fighting each other, they don’t realize an axis of power is on full force to destroy and destabilize western powers.

Strategy not even once. This is like how Democrats did not want to enter WW2 because it’s none of our business, until Pearl Harbor and half the world was already conquered.

The west has no choice but to fight back and as much as I hate Biden, he is doing the right thing by not letting our enemies take over our geo political control post WW2.

I garuntee you Trump would not let it happen either, even if he handled it differently.
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Originally Posted By ArtistBrahs⏩
You do realize we are in a Cold War with China, Russia, and Iran as they actively try to destroy our country and economy so the west is no longer the worlds super power and they take over right?

If you don’t think COVID, Ukraine, the Hamas attacks were all perfectly timed as part of a plan to take resources off Ukraine, spread resources thin, and cause political instability within western nations, then you will be extra shocked when China invades Taiwan early next year.

Morons in this country are so busy fighting each other, they don’t realize an axis of power is on full force to destroy and destabilize western powers.

Strategy not even once. You all would make terrible Generals.
Well aware brah. I just don’t see this as our best option right now, even geopolitically. I’ve been “no money to be sent outside of the country and close the borders” from the start. Preventing infiltration should be our first priority. Unfortunately, I’m now considered unpatriotic by fox news.
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Fuark, R&P making it a 2 star thread. Feeling RichStrong’s pain, but without the million reps to wipe my tears with
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"Israel has a right to exist" is certainly one of their new catchphrases they've been repeating ad nauseam and getting the goyim to repeat, but in the end it's a meaningless catchphrase. The "right to exist" is not a thing.

Israel took its land by force, has been committing genocide, terrorism, and political and economic subversion of western countries to keep and expand their land for close to 80 years, and they will continue to have that land as long as they can continue to do so.

By the same token, the Palestinians have been crushed, genocided, and terrorized by the Israelis for close to 80 years, have put up substandard resistance, and if they want their land back they'll need to fight for it.

Either way, 2 things are true:

1. Neither Israel nor Palestine has a "right to exist". If they want to exist they will need to continue fight for what they believe is theirs.

2. This conflict between Israelis and Muslims is millennia old and is not our fight at all. Israel is not an ally and we should not be supporting them in any way.
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Originally Posted By Zelensky⏩
"Israel has a right to exist" is certainly one of their new catchphrases they've been repeating ad nauseam and getting the goyim to repeat, but in the end it's a meaningless catchphrase. The "right to exist" is not a thing.

Israel took its land by force, has been committing genocide, terrorism, and political and economic subversion of western countries to keep and expand their land for close to 80 years, and they will continue to have that land as long as they can continue to do so.

By the same token, the Palestinians have been crushed, genocided, and terrorized by the Israelis for close to 80 years, have put up substandard resistance, and if they want their land back they'll need to fight for it.

Either way, 2 things are true:

1. Neither Israel nor Palestine has a "right to exist". If they want to exist they will need to continue fight for what they believe is theirs.

2. This conflict between Israelis and Muslims is millennia old and is not our fight at all. Israel is not an ally and we should not be supporting them in any way.
I hear you. Any conservative under 45 pretty much understands it’s bullchit to send money out of America at this time. Its been said a number of times, boomer neocons are fuking chit up until their last diaper change.
post 1693445613 11-16-2023, 12:13 AM
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Yes well said OP I don’t fully agree with everything but it’s a very sensible take
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Not controversial at all unless u are on a Nazi, communist or Muslim forum.
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Originally Posted By Zelensky⏩
"Israel has a right to exist" is certainly one of their new catchphrases they've been repeating ad nauseam and getting the goyim to repeat, but in the end it's a meaningless catchphrase. The "right to exist" is not a thing.

Israel took its land by force, has been committing genocide, terrorism, and political and economic subversion of western countries to keep and expand their land for close to 80 years, and they will continue to have that land as long as they can continue to do so.

By the same token, the Palestinians have been crushed, genocided, and terrorized by the Israelis for close to 80 years, have put up substandard resistance, and if they want their land back they'll need to fight for it.

Either way, 2 things are true:

1. Neither Israel nor Palestine has a "right to exist". If they want to exist they will need to continue fight for what they believe is theirs.

2. This conflict between Israelis and Muslims is millennia old and is not our fight at all. Israel is not an ally and we should not be supporting them in any way.
Israel has been repeatedly restrained by the US from ending these conflicts once and for all. In every case, Israel gets attacked, responds, and is then restrained before it can finish the job. The US pressured Israel into halting its 2006 and 1996 operations against Hezbollah because of civilian casualties near Kfar Qana in both cases. In 1973 Egypt was in a full rout, and could have done nothing to stop Israel from completely destroying its 3rd army and, in this case, the US also intervened to force a ceasefire.

With US money comes US control. Would Israel be better off without US funding and US restraint? Who knows...probably.
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Originally Posted By NuggzTheNinja⏩
Israel has been repeatedly restrained by the US from ending these conflicts once and for all. In every case, Israel gets attacked, responds, and is then restrained before it can finish the job. The US pressured Israel into halting its 2006 and 1996 operations against Hezbollah because of civilian casualties near Kfar Qana in both cases. In 1973 Egypt was in a full rout, and could have done nothing to stop Israel from completely destroying its 3rd army and, in this case, the US also intervened to force a ceasefire.

With US money comes US control. Would Israel be better off without US funding and US restraint? Who knows...probably.
Do you idiots really think Israel takes America's money for fun? They take it because they need it.

Without help from usa Israel would get sacked and they would all die. They are surrounded by countries that would mass murder them all at the first chance
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Israel was founded under the false premise that 6 gorzillion of them were killed in the $hoah. After the fall of the USSR, most of those numbers from the camps were dramatically reduced yet have no effect on the narrative.
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Originally Posted By TaeBoNinja⏩
They have the right to exist, but not with us funneling them billions or using our military as bodyguards
This.

I think they have as much right as the USA and Texas to exist, they fought for it like we did. I just don't think we need to be sustaining their existence, regardless of how much black mail material they have on our elites and politicians.
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee⏩
Do you idiots really think Israel takes America's money for fun? They take it because they need it.

Without help from usa Israel would get sacked and they would all die. They are surrounded by countries that would mass murder them all at the first chance
lol not really. People like you should do more reading and listening, and less posting since it's obvious you don't know anything about this topic. US aid is a couple percent of their GDP. They'd be fine without US military aid.
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So years ago when Arafat and Sharon did not come up with a deal during the Clinton admin, i knew this chit would go on forever and ever.

How can you take another persons land and expand on it, with no blowback?
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Everyone has a right to exist
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Do other cultures and races have a right to a "homeland"?

What if Scientologists set up a state in which Scientologists have more rights than anyone?
What if blacks set up a state where blacks have more rights than non-blacks?
What if white people wanted to set up a whites only state?
What if gay men from a dying indian bodybuilding forum wanted to create the no-chicks country?

No one would openly and freely say those states "have the right to exist". No one would support sending US tax dollars and fighting for those places to exist. Why is it different for Isreal? We here in the US believe in diversity and equity and inclusion, right? Why don't we push for diversity, equity, and inclusion forour greatest ally, Isreal? Until Isreal embraces our core American values, they are not much better than South Africa during apartheid.



Maybe they have a right to exist... But we don't have to fund it.
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Not only does Israel have a right to exist...but also a moral obligation to its citizens to,exterminatethose trying end their existence, which is true for every nation.

Just do it on their own dime/blood.
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Originally Posted By NuggzTheNinja⏩
lol not really. People like you should do more reading and listening, and less posting since it's obvious you don't know anything about this topic.US aid is a couple percent of their GDP. They'd be fine without US military aid.
Wonderful! So we all agree that all aid to Israel should be cut immediately.
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Originally Posted By Zelensky⏩
Wonderful! So we all agree that all aid to Israel should be cut immediately.
Yes, as long as all aid is also cut to every Islamic country as well. And afterward Israel should drive those backwards savage terrorists into the sea and let the Islamic world pick up the survivors.
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Originally Posted By NuggzTheNinja⏩
Yes, as long as all aid is also cut to every Islamic country as well. And afterward Israel should drive those backwards savage terrorists into the sea and let the Islamic world pick up the survivors.
I cosign this plan
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Originally Posted By Zelensky⏩
Wonderful! So we all agree that all aid to Israel should be cut immediately.
I think so - but only if we stop throwing money at their enemies, too. In fact, stop throwing money around to a lot of countries, particularly those dumping the dollar and jumping on BRICS. If they won't take our bribes to use the dollar, what's the point?

I also think we should take a big step back from trying to referee this fight. Israel is probably going to make some brutal decisions and we should be more like Mexico, condemn it but not really do much beyond that.
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Originally Posted By Zelensky⏩
Wonderful! So we all agree that all aid to Israel should be cut immediately.
LMAO!
If you had any idea what happens in DC when anything related to Israel is planned or mentioned you would shake your head.
They will never in your lifetime cut anything given what i see.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
I think so - but only if we stop throwing money at their enemies, too. In fact, stop throwing money around to a lot of countries, particularly those dumping the dollar and jumping on BRICS. If they won't take our bribes to use the dollar, what's the point?

I also think we should take a big step back from trying to referee this fight. Israel is probably going to make some brutal decisions and we should be more like Mexico, condemn it but not really do much beyond that.
Funny thing is I think Israel would second guess a lot of those decisions if there wasn't a couple US carrier fleets in the area just waiting for the Jews to tell them to "jump". You can make a whole lot of decisions you wouldn't be able to before when you have the world's biggest bully just itching to bleed for you.

But I second the notion of cutting all aide to the Middle East and let them sort things out themselves.
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Would Jews agree that white people deserve to exist and have their own countries too?
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Originally Posted By achtungpanzer⏩
Israel was founded under the false premise that 6 gorzillion of them were killed in the $hoah. After the fall of the USSR, most of those numbers from the camps were dramatically reduced yet have no effect on the narrative.
I really hope this is an act. No one believes you really think that
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Originally Posted By ColdandChilly⏩
Would Jews agree that white people deserve to exist and have their own countries too?
Yes. France should be French. Germany should be German. The only Jews who disagree are globalists. There are far more Christian globalists than Jewish globalists, but everyone seems to be fixated in one direction here.
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