Retard lol

You try waaaaaaaay too hard.

That never even happened. The initial claim was hundreds of dead from an IDF airstrike. When the dust settled, it was actually a rocket fired by Islamic Jihad that was meant to hit Israel but fell short, and it landed in the parking lot killing maybe 10-20 people.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-pa...797b72132452e3

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-s-int...al-blast-gaza/

Great post. The thing is, you can take all elements of religion and ancient history out of this argument (as one should) and it still works exactly the same.

1) Palestine never existed as an independent, sovereign entity of any kind, and the "Palestinian" identity is complete fiction

2) The Ottomans were the last longstanding empire to have rulership over the land in question, and no Palestinian state or kingdom existed during this 400 year period. It was Ottoman land and Ottoman sovereignity

3) Jewish immigration to the area was done entirely based on purchase of land, once the Ottomans started allowing private land ownership in the late 1800s

4) After losing to the Brits in WW1, Britain now had rulership over the land in question and instated an artifical protectorate called Mandatory Palestine

5) Jewish migration was immediately resisted by the Arabs leading to violent revolts and pogroms

6) Every proposal for two states, including the early Peel Commission plans to give roughly 80/20 split to the Arabs was rejected by the Arabs

7) At the UN partition stage, the land was about 20% Arab owned (many of them were not actually from the Palestine region either, and had immigrated in recently) about 10% Jewish owned, and the rest was unoccupied and owned by the British state

8) In response to the partition plan (which was pretty evenly split when looking at population and arable/fertile land, with much of the Jewish land being the Negev desert), the Arabs launched a war the next day to eradicate the Jewish side. No attempt to negotiate was made

9) The neighbouring Arab states joined in the war, not to establish a sovereign Palestinian state, but to annex and conquer land for themselves (Egypt/Jordan did this immediately) and eradicate the Jews

10) The Arabs lost, and as with any war, many of them were displaced

11) They've been crying about it ever since. Not because they really care about the Palestinians (Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon all want absolutely nothing to do with Palestinians) but because Joos

Israel has however managed to make peace with everywhere else in the region, and has fully normalised diplomatic relations with several countries. Even Saudi is incredibly close to this. Till Palestinian leadership is changed they are never going to achieve anything, after that is done they can hope for their own sovereign state.

Cmon bro don’t u know those are jooooooo media sources?

Lol

No it was Israel.

https://youtu.be/60EK-3-kGLI?si=_tZmH9QKps9kInk1

https://youtu.be/b2qtFRrCUaY?si=SPf6B3gjnepbR2JQ

https://youtu.be/s0t202I5Uik?si=ZXkDbUK6RFuJ3wq-

[QUOTE=Mercworx post_id=1693489673]Only time that Region was officially referred to as "Palestine" it was full of Jews (Israelites)

Jerusalem is the eternal undivided capital of the Jewish nation. Palestine has never existed as a country. Jordan currently sits on the majority of the Former British Mandate. Why doesn't anyone get mad at them?

It is from the term "Philistines" that the name "Palestinians" has been taken. Actually, the ancient Philistines and modern Palestinians have something in common: both are invaders from other lands! That is precisely the meaning of their name, that is not an ethnic denomination but an adjective applied to them: Peleshet, from the verb "pelesh", "dividers", "penetrators" or "invaders". The Philistines were a confederation of non-Semitic peoples coming from Crete, the Aegean Islands and Asia Minor, also known as "Sea Peoples". The main tribes were Shekelesh, Shardana, Tsikel or Thekker, Akhaiusha or Ekwesh, Danauna or Denyen, Masa or Meshuesh, Uashesh, Teresh or Tursha, Keshesh or Karkisha, Lukka or Rukka, and Labu. The original homeland of the group that ruled the Philistine federation, namely the "Pelesati", was the island of Crete. When the Minoic civilization collapsed, also the Minoic culture disappeared from Crete, as invaders from Greece took control of the island. These ancient Cretans arrived in Southern Canaan and were known as "Peleshtim" by Hebrews and Canaanites

Jews are an Israelite tribe and the most ancient record attesting their existence dates back to 1200 BCE. It was found in Egypt.

[URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merneptah_Stele]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merneptah_Stele[/URL]

Jews and other Israelites are the indigenous people of the land of Israel, the same way Arameans are the indigenous people of Aram (most of Syria and part of South West Turkey) and Assyrians, the indigenous people of Assyria (located in North West Iraq and part of South Turkey).

The existence of the Israelite nation is also attested in ancient non-Israelite sources, notably the Mesha Stele and the Tel Dan Stele.

[URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesha_Stele]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesha_Stele[/URL]

[URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Dan_Stele]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Dan_Stele[/URL]

The above sources also reveal the name of Israelite kings and historical events described in the Torah, thereby supporting to a certain extent the biblical narratives relating to the period between 1000 BCE and 750 BCE.

Other archaeological evidence supporting Jewish/Israelite History in the land of Israel can be found here:

[URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artifacts_in_biblical_archaeology#10th_century_BC]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...0th_century_BC[/URL]

[URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artifacts_in_biblical_archaeology#9th_century_BC]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...9th_century_BC[/URL]

[URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artifacts_in_biblical_archaeology#8th_century_BC]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...8th_century_BC[/URL]

[URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artifacts_in_biblical_archaeology#7th_century_BC]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...7th_century_BC[/URL]

[URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artifacts_in_biblical_archaeology#6th_century_BC]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...6th_century_BC[/URL]

[URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artifacts_in_biblical_archaeology#5th_century_BC]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...5th_century_BC[/URL]

Jews and other Israelites have fought for the independence of Israel until 628 CE and finally restored it in 1948.

[URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maccabean_Revolt]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maccabean_Revolt[/URL]

[URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasmonean_dynasty]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasmonean_dynasty[/URL]

[URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Jewish%E2%80%93Roman_War]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_...80%93Roman_War[/URL]

[URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_Kokhba_revolt]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_Kokhba_revolt[/URL]

[URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_revolt_against_Constantius_Gallus]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish...tantius_Gallus[/URL]

[URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaritan_Revolts]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaritan_Revolts[/URL]

[URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_revolt_against_Heraclius]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish...inst_Heraclius[/URL]

Jewish immigration from Israel to Europe in Ancient times is also recorded in ancient sources.

[URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Italy#Pre-Christian_Rome]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...Christian_Rome[/URL]

In regard to Mizrahi Jewish communities in North Africa and their genetic origins, check:

[URL=http://www.pnas.org/content/109/34/13865.full.pdf]http://www.pnas.org/content/109/34/13865.full.pdf[/URL]

[URL=http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/08/06/us-science-genetics-jews-idINBRE8751EI20120806]http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/0...8751EI20120806[/URL]

Jewish immigration from the Israel to North Africa and form North Africa to Iberia (where the Sephardic Jewish community was originated) is also attested in Arab sources.

[URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sephardi_Jews#Early_history]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sephar...#Early_history[/URL]

In regard to the genetic origins of Ashkenazi Jews, anyone can check the genetic studies conducted so far pointing to their mixed European and Levantine origins.

[URL=http://news.sciencemag.org/biology/2013/10/did-modern-jews-originate-italy]http://news.sciencemag.org/biology/2...riginate-italy[/URL]

[URL=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3543766/]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3543766/[/URL]

[URL=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3032072/]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3032072/[/URL]

[URL=http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/10/science/10jews.html?_r=0]http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/10/sc...jews.html?_r=0[/URL]

"There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass. But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today... No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough".

- Joseph Farah, "Myths of the Middle East" -

"Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]."

The Qu'ran supports Israels right to exist.

"We [Allah] have revealed the Qur'an with the truth, and with the truth it has come down. We have sent you [Muhammed] forth only to proclaim good news and to give warning."

[Qur'an, "Night Journey," chapter 17:100-104]

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.'" [Qur'an 17:104]

Whenever the issue concerning the Jewish population in Israel is discussed, the idea that Jews are "returning back" to their Homeland after almost two millennia of exile is taken for granted. It is true that such is the case for the largest number of Jews, but not for all of them. It is not correct to say that the whole Jewish nation has been in exile. The long exile, known as Diaspora, is a documented fact that proves the legitimacy of the Jewish claim to the Land of Israel, and was the consequence of the Jewish Wars of independence from the Roman Empire. If "Palestinians" allegedly are the historic inhabitants of the Holy Land, why did they not fight for independence from Roman occupation as Jews did? How is it possible that not a single Palestinian leader heading for a revolt against the Roman invaders is mentioned in any historic record? Why there is not any Palestinian rebel group mentioned, as for example the Jewish Zealots? Why every historic document mentions the Jews as the native inhabitants, and the Greeks, Romans and others as foreigners dwelling in Judea, but not any Palestinian people, neither as native nor as foreigner? After the last Jewish War in the 2nd century c.e., the Roman emperor Hadrian sacked Jerusalem in 135 c.e. and changed her name into Ælia Capitolina, and the name of Judæa into Palæstina, in order to erase the Jewish identity from the face of the Earth. Most of the Jews were expelled from their own land by the Romans, a fact that determined the beginning of the great Diaspora. Nevertheless, small groups of Jews remained in the province then renamed "Palestine", and their descendants dwelled in their own country continuously throughout generations until the Zionist pioneers started on the mass return in the XIX century

Arab "Palestinians" are recent immigrants to the regions.

“The Arab population shows a remarkable increase ….. partly due to the import of Jewish capital into Palestine and other factors associated with the growth of the [Jewish] National Home..” (The Peel Commission Report - 1937)

British PM Winston Churchill said in 1939: “.. far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country [Palestine]..”

Joan Peters calculated that in 1882, just the non-nomadic, settled Muslims in Palestine numbered 141,000. Among them, those that resided in Palestine before the 1831 Egyptian invasion numbered 75 percent, or 105,700 (FTI page 197). By 2015, descendants of these 105,700 persons can trace their linage in Palestine for almost 200 years. Therefore, one might consider them to be the indigenous residents. The date 1831 is important, because this was the beginning of the war with Arab Egypt, during which many thousands of Arabs settled in Palestine and changed its demographics.

Are Jews indigenous to Palestine? The ancient Jewish connection to Palestine is confirmed in the Jewish Bible, the Christian Gospels and the Koran, as well as by countless Jewish antiquities and copious scholarly research. Genetic studies show that today’s Jews—whether the Diaspora cast them to Europe, North America, Africa or other parts of the Middle East—are related genealogically to Jews of Biblical times. Jews also have a distinct language, culture and religion that are linked inextricably to Palestine. Indeed, for thousands of years Jewish liturgy has expressed the yearning of Jews to return to the land of Israel: “Next year in Jerusalem” is uttered by every observant Jew at Passover, and Jerusalem itself is a major character in the Torah, cited more than 600 times. Finally, of course, like Native Americans, Jews were dispossessed of their ancient lands— by the Romans, Christian Crusaders, Muslims, Babylonians and Ottomans. Surely just because Jews were deprived of their aboriginal lands doesn’t mean they have no claim to them. Rather than colonialism, of which Israel is accused by anti-Zionists, the Jews’ return to Palestine actually reflects an indigenous people’s self-determination to create a state on the site of its ancestral kingdom.

There’s no doubt that Jews are the legitimate indigenous people of Palestine. That’s not, however, to deny Palestinian hopes for a sovereign state. In fact, Israel has many times offered to support such a state, if only Palestinians would abandon their jihad against Israel’s legitimacy and accept the right of the Jewish people to their own state.[/QUOTE]No.

[URL=https://www.unz.com/article/destination-1922-a-return-to-claims-of-the-arabs-in-palestine/]https://www.unz.com/article/destinat...-in-palestine/[/URL]

Read it and follow links.

That is the modern claim shut down. I have posted that before. It has one of the best primary sources which dates from 1922.


As far as the ancient claims there are some issues as well:

a religious book is being used as justification and evidence of conquest historically as the God of the Torah commanded the Hebrews to conquer the land. As well as basis for a modern group of people as their right to the land based on a story from from their own religious book.

The people that have lived there are the Palestinians. The name is attested to from as far back 3200 years if not more and the indigenous population is there throughout the history of Palestine. The Palestinians never left. Whatever their religious beliefs they were always Palestinians for three millennia and as much as three and a half millennia.

No amount of lying, twisting, and turning can change facts even though zionists believe it is ok to do so.

Boy, the zionist propagandists have gone full throttle on the lies. There is a reason why they never read it watch the things I post. Because it takes apart their deception. Although I have noticed many are really stupid and I don't believe have the actual intellectual capabilities to read or watch something and understand fairly simple things. That is why they are good propagandists, because they are so stupid and gullible.

Your sources are all retarded, and factually inaccurate. 500 people didn't die in that explosion for starters, and that should be the easiest thing to verify. You're claiming they did - prove it.

The death count has varied and no one can get any accurate information because Israel won't allow access to outsiders and has killed several dozen journalists.

But that is your only "factual" argument that death toll was not 500 but 300 people killed in an horrific war crime and atrocity.

The main point stands though that Israel bombed a hospital once again. It is part of zionist ideology that attacking hospitals is a great demoralizing tactic. Since then it has attacked hospitals a few more times.

False Pallywood lies, Baghdad Bob.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...-intelligence/


Anyway, Palestinians killing other Palestinians is so last month. I'm far more concerned with how badly the IDF is dominating those backwards savage terrorists. It's beautiful.

https://youtu.be/JrUdEERhQks?si=1sHGThLUnvAWC1Kv

No it was Israel as usual.




400,000 IDF versus 30,000 guerillas and it has taken them 40 days to control a few blocks. That was after carpet bombing and purposely targeting children and senior citizens and purposely targeting hospitals. Along the way they have taken a lot of deaths. The true nature of zionists has been revealed for the world in undeniable ways.

[QUOTE=NuggzTheNinja post_id=1693499653][youtube]g7gasuq-438[/utube]

Unless proven otherwise with video evidence from the moment of their death, I would assume all Palestinian casualties are combatants. Anyone who believes their "10k civilian" figures is a certified retard.[/QUOTE]Do you also assume all israeli's are combatants because they have national service and are a militarised population. I didn't think so.

Anyways I think I will trust thr UN and Statista over NuggztheNinja.

It;s not my fault I was blessed lol.

Anyways goood look brother on the South Side of Chicago tonight... I hope you return home safely, you boys deserve a payrise for dealing with that.

No, it was the Jooooooooz, I don't care what you say, Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!

Facts are so painful to zionists.

I'm an atheist you dancing monkey.

ay, but you still support the zionist.

im not a fan of either side.

but zionist destruction >>>>>> little questionable terrorist group Hamas destruction

zionist are on top, palestinians have been oppressed.

You idiot, zionists can be Jewish, Christian, or secular. You idiot.

Hamas = good guys, Israel = bad guys.

Is that it misc?

they are both bad guys.

but one side is killing a lot more innocent civilians, women and children.

oh well, no worries because we are getting the bad guys!

That’s how a lot of the misc seems to be reading this situation

You literally have a guy linking YouTube videos over news sources, and people aren’t calling it out

I didn’t realize the misc hated the Joos this much lol really weird

Hamas is used to getting bombed from the air in bomb runs that would turn anyones hair gray. The IDF is used to shooting kids throwing rocks.

please explain your neg comment of "bad faith"?

Hamas going into Israel, attacking the festival and such, deserves retribution.

The people in Palestine, don't deserve indiscriminate bombing.

This is a Crime Against Humanity. This boy did not attack any Jew rave.

They voted for it and support it.

just like we Americans voted for Joe Biden and for open borders.

Remember the USS Liberty.

How is Israel supposed to retaliate when Hamas is hiding behind its women and children? They even gave a warning - yet Hamas didn’t make getting civilians to safety their top priority? Hmmmm wonder why

What do you suggest, Israel just STOP?? lol :]