I've seen all his speeches (that can be found online) and read Mein Kampf. He was a good speaker, but a terrible leader if you're a consequentialist. And if you're a deontologist, he was a terrible person. So, either way, he fails.

Same BS he was feeding the world about being ‘peace loving’

Evil fuker had every intention of using da boys for a genocidal war against the slavs and jews in the east

the final solution to the jewish question was so dumb

he should have simply sent his military to clear out some land in palestine, and send them all there. basically exactly what happened in 1947.


the large trains full of jews should have safely transported them south to the mediterranean sea, and then shipped them safely over to palestine

Why Palestine? Why should European Jews have any claim to Palestine? lmfao

After WW2, we should have given the Jews part of Germany and ended it right there.

The Germans were handled with kid gloves. They deserved worse than what they got from the Red Army. They needed to lose more territory.

Palestinians got fuked for no reason. It should have been the Germans.

The ignorance of that statement when the signature of my quote is zamyatin is quite funny
Animal farm is what I let my kid read in second grade.


Ironically my sig encapsulates exactly what Stalin did to the Russian people. Zamyatin was a true free thinker and originally joined the bolsheviks in the rise to power, he was previously in exile by the tsar. He saw exactly the sense of self and soul being stripped from the people for the betterment of the whole. He wrote the novel to be published outside the Soviet Union in the 1920s.

A century later my mom/family was friends with bankers in Russia helping them join the global banking community. My mom and the translator friend were being followed by secret police because all foreigners were. The automatic response when my mom brought it up was “they are here for our protection”. See sig.


And yes I’ve been to Russia on many occasions to Tver, Moscow, and saint petersberg. I know many Russians and spent weeks there at a time.


But ya, I just “read animal farm”

My mom’s PhD focused on Russian history, she studied in st petersberg. Became interested and went back to school shortly after making friends with people there, also didn’t like being a housewife I guess.

They hate Gorbachev and yeltsin because they lost the Cold War.

They failed the country.

They are still broken because they would give it all up to Stalin all over again. It’s the reason Putin won’t get overthrown, he loves and encourages the propaganda that paints Stalin in a good light. I guess in this respect you have a much better argument they are predisposed to this kind of rule, since it’s no different then the cruelty under the tsars, just amplified by industrialization. Similar to how china meshed so well with communism due to an even better psychological/philosophical mesh of eastern philosophy and totalitarian state (reason why Chinese empire is only one to never fall)

Either way the rules for thee not for me originates with Stalin.

Where do you come up with this gibberish? The Joos were responsible for WW1 now?

Also, how was the USSR far more destructive than Nazi Germany from any perspective?

A large percentage of things that suck about modern society are products of capitalism.

Except it is all projection. Stalin didn't keep the people dumb and down like our government does. He gave people education and industrialized their society. Your mom was literally a capitalist trying to embed Russia in the international banking system and you wonder why the KGB followed her? Come on, man.

OFC you're going to have this take. The people of Russia as a whole embrace Stalin and the USSR. They understand its issues better than we do. But they are proud of what their former country stood for and did. Stalin means one thing to Americans and capitalists and Russia's elite. It means another to impoverished people all over the world. His words inspired the Chinese. It is no exaggeration to say billions were inspired to resist European imperialism by Stalin. He is undeniably the most important world leader of the last 1000 years.

Again, you imperialists have no right to "send them to Madagascar". How about carve up a section of Germany for them? Naw? Why not? And nobody likes the rich Jews who exploited the world. Guess what? Lenin and Stalin didn't like them either. But they made the distinction between the rich and the poor. The USSR was not destructive to the world. They are the reason you have workers' rights, basic rights for women, why a lot of European countries have healthcare, and why there has been a surge of excellence in Asian education in math and science. And let's not forget, the USSR defeated Hitler. Without them, we'd all be fuked.

If America was the greatest country of the last thousand years, USSR was a clear #2. They deserve some damn respect. And as long as we don't even try to understand their history, we will continue ruining this world with senseless wars and provocations.

Jews never will willingly leave their hosts in the US and Europe. The ones there are the worst of the worst. Sucking their hosts dry like a parasite. Making money without doing actual work. Most of them will not leave or will come back. Hitler would have loved to just send them away.

The Final Solution was not real. They were work camps where Jews were actually forced to work for a change instead of bleeding their hosts dry.

Uhh tons of Jews in this country work really hard and contribute a ton to society. Not sheriff srs. It's okay, this retard miscer has decreed all Jews are lazy and useless when there are so many Jewish doctors and scientists. K.

these motivational speech are garbage and works for a short time

also it tell us nothing about the person how he really acts and thinks (bc we know hitler was a drug addict piece of chit)

Yep. He says be a peaceloving people while also encouraging them to exterminate people not like them and steal their chit. Dude was an utter nutjob. So many slavs died because of this prick. If the Russians had killed every last German, I would have been like "aww that sucks", but I would have understood it. Fuking Aryan nation fgts. They even stole that from Iran. And they stole the swastika from India. Bunch of worthless kunts. Butchers and thieves. Cockroaches. Dishonorable swine.

Imagine taking the educational center of the world and reducing it to a racist backwater chithole. Oh hey, I guess they are trying that again here.

The Soviet Union didn't take any additional land? Interesting

The land they took belonged to the people. Poland literally had no effective government when Hitler chose to take it. It was a divided, hotly contested mess. And in the midst of the war, someone had to bring order to the chaos. And also, what the USSR fought for was basic rights of workers and people. So, forgive me for not crying about any of the wars they waged for progress against monarchs, tyrant nobles, and fascists. I'm not going to shed any tears. I'm sorry they stole grandma's castle and her pony and gave her people food and an education. How terribly cruel.

Many of those satellite countries did not want to be apart of the Soviet Union. Stalin killed tens of millions of people. Communism is an absolutely retarded ideology. Germany would have far surpassed Russia technologically and scientifically without the West's interference.

BTW Soviet Union also invaded Poland lol

They seemed fine with it for decades. Maybe their 1% didn't. What a shame. Again, the choice was let Hitler take everything or save what they could. Poland was also supposed to start a communist movement through Europe. They were hoping France would fall next and to even see communist insurgency in Germany. Oh yeah communism must be really dumb. That's why the USSR went from zero to superpower. Meanwhile ze Germans killed themselves. Nice.

This radical idea of educating and feeding the poor and working for a better society is so awful guyz. It's better to instead just lie and pretend to do it while murdering everyone who disagrees and slaughtering all the poor, minorities, elderly, etc. Sure, Jan. Heil Fuhrer dipchit.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...reed-pact.html

And why is Stalin demonized for his pact and Pilsudki excused for his and antisemitism within his elite? Why does no one speak ill of his open anticommunist ambitions and expansionary tendencies and desire to use the fascists to that end? Stalin ultimately did what he did to spread communism and fight fascism. Everyone acts like Poland was just an innocent baby victim and not an expansionary empire oppressing Slavs with their earlier wars of aggression, making alliances with fascists and expressing an intent to destroy Lenin's entire project.

Remember that most of the history we read was written in the 60's with the explicit intent of opposing the USSR.

napoleon>stalin

Napoleon lost.

Most of the western academic record on Stalin is laughably biased. The mainstream narrative never even bothers to explore these facts. The leading western scholar on Stalin is Stephen Kotkin, who is an unapologetic propagandist for the American deep state. Like it's honestly laughable. It's like taking Niall Ferguson seriously on anything related to imperialism. These guys lie. The record speaks for itself. You can see Stalin's attempts and pledges to fight Hitler rebuffed by the very ingrates he would later liberate.

Everyone always brings up Stalin's pact but never looks at all the concessions and pacts made by western leaders to make peace with Hitler.


Innocent baby Poland:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poli...0and%20Belarus.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germ...non-aggression

Also, let's not forget how Stalin was demonized by Khrushchev. Tons of what we read about him is pure bs. 60 million killed? lmao

You know Stalin was anti-vaccine?

Where are you getting this? Lenin forced teens to get vaccinated for smallpox. It was a huge part of his public health program, and they eradicated smallpox from Russia by 1936. If you are talking about the cold war tiff over the polio vaccine, that wasn't even Stalin. Stalin died before that.

And also, nobody is perfect. Stalin made some famous mistakes. The thing is, when you judge world leaders, you should judge them on the entire body of their achievements and harms. Stalin pretty undeniably ranks at the top. Was he a monster? Sure. Show me a great world leader who wasn't one. Every leader of every great power is a murderer. The question you should be asking is what did they murder for and was it worth it for society?

I look at Hitler and ask what exactly he achieved. It's hard to argue he was any good for Germany at all long term.

I also want to stress a common American myth. We did not enter the war to save the Jews. The whole Jew thing is just one aspect of Hitler's sucking, and it is taught to kids in school for emotional appeal. Whether you deny the holocaust happened (for which there is tons of evidence, even if the 6 million number is generally false), that has absolutely dick to do with Hitler, the war, or the fundamental issues with the international system at the time and how geopolitical strategy was carried out. Hitler's great crime was that he was a fuking liar of the highest order. So many people made pacts and concessions with him for peace, and he kept taking more and more and swindling everyone. He was not a responsible actor on the world stage. His military was extremely powerful, and when he realized how easily he could roll with it, he went completely out of control. You never go full retard, but he did. The man genuinely was so convinced by early success that he believed he could efficiently and realistically conquer most of Europe AND Russia. Hyuge fail.

When it comes to unrigorous subjects like history, of course. When you're talking about matters of science, it is less biased. And if you are talking about math, it is minimally biased.

I'm certainly open to other narratives, but my core question still stands: what did Hitler achieve for Germany in the long run? We know what happened in the end. That isn't disputed. We can look at before and after Stalin vs before and after Hitler. There may be fine points of history to quibble over and moral judgments to debate though.

Well I agree with you and am less dedicated to trolling. You are absolutely right about bias in academia. I won't deny that. The goal is to be as unbiased as possible. There's always bias.

my post is from the perspective of a more sane leader, alternate reality, and not hitler

my solution to the jewish question up there, also assumes germany never invades poland and never kicks off ww2

so expel all jews, humanely, no ww2.

Germany was on the verge of economic collapse, and pretty much had no choice but to invade Poland.