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post 1694412443 12-05-2023, 01:37 PM
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Any misc coders/software developers?

Saw a course on Udemy for $30..

You can learn front end web development in 6 months.

Java, html, css...

Looked up front end developer jobs in my area..

They all pay 6 figures and up..

Is this chit realistic and doable boyos??

Just with a basic knowledge of algebra?
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Sup, yes it is

Edit: Java is dying, learn React and Python
post 1694412573 12-05-2023, 01:40 PM
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the entry jobs will be replaced by ai in a blink of an eye
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post 1694412603 12-05-2023, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted By iLastSamurai⏩
the entry jobs will be replaced by ai in a blink of an eye
Also this, being a solutions architect or systems engineer is a better route
post 1694412633 12-05-2023, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted By Swaggod9k⏩
Saw a course on Udemy for $30..

You can learn front end web development in 6 months.

Java, html, css...

Looked up front end developer jobs in my area..

They all pay 6 figures and up..

Is this chit realistic and doable boyos??

Just with a basic knowledge of algebra?
lol at JAVA, by the way you can learn everything you need about HTML and CSS on w3schools
post 1694412753 12-05-2023, 01:45 PM
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sorta

i once made a program that said "hello world."

i try not to brag abt it much.
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Originally Posted By FrogBoi⏩
lol at JAVA, by the way you can learn everything you need about HTML and CSS on w3schools
Damn thanks for the link on w3 schools is it free?

Can I learn full front end and back end on there?

All I need is microsoft visual studio? To start writing code?
post 1694413223 12-05-2023, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted By Swaggod9k⏩
Damn thanks for the link on w3 schools is it free?

Can I learn full front end and back end on there?

All I need is microsoft visual studio? To start writing code?
W3 Schools blows, use CodeAcademy, and yes you just need visual studio
post 1694413233 12-05-2023, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted By Swaggod9k⏩
Damn thanks for the link on w3 schools is it free?

Can I learn full front end and back end on there?

All I need is microsoft visual studio? To start writing code?
just use vscode it's lighter u don't need vs (they do offer community version for free though)
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Originally Posted By BDub85⏩
Sup, yes it is

Edit: Java is dying, learn React and Python
lol. React is a FE framework. Every miscer and his mom trying to make a quick buck tries to learn react. it's oversaturated af

Python has certain perks but Java backends are still what most f500 companies are running. Python is the go to language for ML and AI but trust me, you're not making it from code academy
Originally Posted By Swaggod9k⏩
Saw a course on Udemy for $30..

You can learn front end web development in 6 months.

Java, html, css...

Looked up front end developer jobs in my area..

They all pay 6 figures and up..

Is this chit realistic and doable boyos??

Just with a basic knowledge of algebra?
No. If I see your resume with no professional experience and no education and some bootcamp/udemy/coursera level "training", I'm shouting Kobe and hitting the trash can from the 3.
Originally Posted By FrogBoi⏩
lol at JAVA, by the way you can learn everything you need about HTML and CSS on w3schools
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Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
just use vscode it's lighter u don't need vs (they do offer community version for free though)
i never liked vscode that much. it's supposed to be light weight but notepad/notepad++ is lighter weight. If I'm coding though, IDE > code editor
post 1694414163 12-05-2023, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted By BDub85⏩
W3 Schools blows, use CodeAcademy, and yes you just need visual studio
Damn bro..

Are you a six figure web developer?

Do you have an undergrad in comp sci?

I have an undergrad in finance..

Is 3 hrs per day enough time to devote to studying??

I make around 5-10k a month after tax trading stocks online..

I wanted to create a back end program to automate my trades, but I fear it will take years to develop..

Being a profitable trader plus being a software developer would be alpha as fuk.
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I’ve spent a year trying to learn Python and Django (srs, sometimes 6+ hours a day) and I still don’t know anything

I think I might be retarded
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Originally Posted By outfoxxed⏩
i never liked vscode that much. it's supposed to be light weight but notepad/notepad++ is lighter weight. If I'm coding though, IDE > code editor
why not notepad then...and compile via cmd line
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post 1694414353 12-05-2023, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted By outfoxxed⏩
lol. React is a FE framework. Every miscer and his mom trying to make a quick buck tries to learn react. it's oversaturated af

Python has certain perks but Java backends are still what most f500 companies are running. Python is the go to language for ML and AI but trust me, you're not making it from code academy



No. If I see your resume with no professional experience and no education and some bootcamp/udemy/coursera level "training", I'm shouting Kobe and hitting the trash can from the 3.



not sure if srs



i never liked vscode that much. it's supposed to be light weight but notepad/notepad++ is lighter weight. If I'm coding though, IDE > code editor
Thats cool bro throw the resume in the trash. there's hundreds of other job listings..

There's alot of success stories on reddit of people landing 6 figure jobs being self taught..

What if you saw on my resume I have an undergrad in finance, years of experience in accounting and insurance. Plus I'm a self taught coder?

You wouldn't call me for an interview brah?
post 1694414523 12-05-2023, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted By BDub85⏩
Sup, yes it is

Edit: Java is dying, learn React and Python
This isn't even a bit true. Javascript has always been the front end, but it's dying in favour of the JS frameworks like react, node, and angular.

But the back end, especially for enterprise apps has been java for the longest time and still is. Most large companies are using a Spring boot backend, which is a java framework. Many companies seek experienced Spring developers, and it's not an oversaturated technology like the JS frontend boot camp gang, but it also requires a deeper understanding of CS fundamentals.
post 1694414833 12-05-2023, 02:27 PM
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Ok im confused..

Reminder im just getting started and dont know chit yet..

Should I download vs studio community, or vs code?

And is w3 schools trash? Should I learn on Code academy and Udemy?

The other mentioned theodin project?

Also code academys youtube has a fukton of good free 10hr training videos.

Also saw a fukton of programming books for free at my local library..
post 1694414873 12-05-2023, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted By Swaggod9k⏩
Ok im confused..

Reminder im just getting started and dont know chit yet..

Should I download vs studio community, or vs code?

And is w3 schools trash? Should I learn on Code academy and Udemy?

The other mentioned theodin project?

Also code academys youtube has a fukton of good free 10hr training videos.

Also saw a fukton of programming books for free at my local library..
IDK where you are, in the US sometimes people are successful with these bootcamps, but in UK employers still like degrees. I interview for some junior developers and CVs that include bootcamp are usually immediately put aside.

However to answer your question, if you want to learn a front end JS framework like angular node etc, you just need vscode.

Personally, i have used "code with mosh" courses in the past whenever i've had to learn a new technology (so for example, when i learned angular many years ago, i used these videos as a starting point and they were pretty useful). They aren't free though, but they are cheap enough.

If you legit want to learn to program, i'd advise giving yourself a project. Sitting and watching videos and doing samples is all well and good, but until you actually work with real problems (i.e not designed for training) you probably won't be proficient and will likely forget much if you're not using it. Set yourself a goal to code something for yourself, do the tutorials then have a crack at it and see how you get on.
post 1694414993 12-05-2023, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted By Swaggod9k⏩
Saw a course on Udemy for $30..

You can learn front end web development in 6 months.

Java, html, css...

Looked up front end developer jobs in my area..

They all pay 6 figures and up..

Is this chit realistic and doable boyos??

Just with a basic knowledge of algebra?
Yes it's doable, I know people who have done it. Udemy has sales that should bring that price down to $10, but some of their courses are great. Well worth whatever you pay. Salesforce has some free videos that train you in their software/stack too, that might be worth looking into. Those jobs pay a lot.

Idk if you'll get six figures right out of the gate, but in a few years you definitely can.
post 1694415103 12-05-2023, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted By TappingTheZen⏩
IDK where you are, in the US sometimes people are successful with these bootcamps, but in UK employers still like degrees. I interview for some junior developers and CVs that include bootcamp are usually immediately put aside.

However to answer your question, if you want to learn a front end JS framework like angular node etc, you just need vscode.

Personally, i have used "code with mosh" courses in the past whenever i've had to learn a new technology (so for example, when i learned angular many years ago, i used these videos as a starting point and they were pretty useful). They aren't free though, but they are cheap enough.
Good advice bro..

I have an undergrad in finance.

Would never put bootcamp in my resume.

Under skills I would put the languages I know and stack I've learned.

As well as show them a portfolio of websites or apps I may have created if they decide to call me.
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Originally Posted By coast2coastam⏩
Yes it's doable, I know people who have done it. Udemy has sales that should bring that price down to $10, but some of their courses are great. Well worth whatever you pay. Salesforce has some free videos that train you in their software/stack too, that might be worth looking into. Those jobs pay a lot.
They do pay a lot, but the risk of using salesforce is you become a 'salesforce developer' for the rest of your career and nobody will employ you for anything else which can seriously harm your negotiating position when seeking payrises and promotions later on, whereas if you learn Java, JS frameworks and what not you have many more options (and with that, leverage in negotiations of pay etc) so depends on OP's desires. I only say this because i was offered a job with a similar technology (but a newer one called 'workday'), and had to think seriously about it (I turned it down as i wanted to broaden my development skills, not make them narrower)

You also need to think about what kind of programming you're doing, making websites is one thing, but enterprise (i.e business) development is an entire other world, and has very different programming standards and procedures (brokers, JMS, Proxies, security considerations usually etc)

If i had no programming background and wanted to get into it now via bootcamps, i'd just do react, nodejs or angular; if you do a codewithmosh course, he will tell you everything you need to download including plugins etc (the others might but i haven't used them). Backend enterprise development jobs will be harder to obtain without experience
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You got to have a goal in mind to pursue coding
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Originally Posted By Mrstealyogurl89⏩
You got to have a goal in mind to pursue coding
I wanted to create an algorithmic trading software to automate my stock trading. It sounds complicated as fuk tho, and I'm already pretty profitable manually..

Ive heard banks spend millions to hire a team of developers to successfully create algorithims to trade in the live capital markets..

I've heard of retail traders with compsci background doing this and making millions.

I've also heard it's better to just do it manually and focus on a few equities during the day
Instead of creating an algorithim to scan for 100s of stocks..

So i was thinking of learning front end and getting a six figure job for extra income and trading from 6:30am to 9:30am like I normally do..
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Originally Posted By TappingTheZen⏩
They do pay a lot, but the risk of using salesforce is you become a 'salesforce developer' for the rest of your career and nobody will employ you for anything else which can seriously harm your negotiating position when seeking payrises and promotions later on, whereas if you learn Java, JS frameworks and what not you have many more options (and with that, leverage in negotiations of pay etc) so depends on OP's desires.

You also need to think about what kind of programming you're doing, making websites is one thing, but enterprise (i.e business) development is an entire other world, and has very different programming standards and procedures (brokers, JMS usually etc)

If i had no programming background and wanted to get into it now via bootcamps, i'd just do react, nodejs or angular. Backend enterprise development jobs will be harder to obtain without experience
I see, I don't know too much about it, other than I knew someone who hired those people. The pay was pretty good iirc

I think their training suite was called trailhead fwiw
Originally Posted By outfoxxed⏩
No. If I see your resume with no professional experience and no education and some bootcamp/udemy/coursera level "training", I'm shouting Kobe and hitting the trash can from the 3.
To the OP: You're going to have to fight this sort of mentality for your first job, so don't get discouraged. The first job is the most difficult to get, I wouldn't even care if it pays low. Once you're in it gets a million times easier moving forward.

It might be worth applying to some place like Reventure for your first job to get that experience, after you go through the Udemy course. I wouldn't do a paid bootcamp, but one that pays you and places you in exchange for a 2 year contract. It should pay at least $60k a year.
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Originally Posted By coast2coastam⏩
I see, I don't know too much about it, other than I knew someone who hired those people. The pay was pretty good iirc

I think their training suite was called trailhead fwiw
Fair enough, i'm a developer and had to think about it when i was offered a similar position. Programming languages change frequently and your skills need to be kept up to date, so going into something a bit more niche like salesforce can limit you, but they do usually pay well.

I would think the kind of software you're talking about in finance, at it's core is written in a backend technology OP. Frontend development isn't so hard and you can become proficient in a couple of years, but being a good enterprise back end developer takes a lot of experience, you're usually pretty useless and an 'investment' for your first 3 or so years (even with a degree), which is why companies often like CS degrees as a kind of guarantee on their 'investment'
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you can be self taught. I have a finance degree and make 6 fig +
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Originally Posted By BDub85⏩
you can be self taught. I have a finance degree and make 6 fig +
Wow bro, just who I wanted to talk to.

Do you think this is all worth it?

Do you trade in the capital markets with your own $$??

Every thought or researched about algorithmic trading?
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Originally Posted By Swaggod9k⏩
Wow bro, just who I wanted to talk too.

Do you think this is all worth it?

Do you trade in the capital markets with your own $$??

Every thought or researched about algorithmic trading?
Algo trading is left to mathematicians tbh. You would have a huge entry barrier
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Originally Posted By BDub85⏩
Algo trading is left to mathematicians tbh. You would have a huge entry barrier
Im pretty sure you cam do it with a basic knowledge of algebra and stats..

All you need is for the program to buy at a certain entry price, sell at an exit price and have a stop loss set to sell.

That seems pretty easy. But how do you program the algo to open up your brokerage account and place live trades?

Or consistently scan the market for opportunities?

That seems alot more math focused..

I believe in business keeping it simple works the best..
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Originally Posted By Swaggod9k⏩
Im pretty sure you cam do it with a basic knowledge of algebra and stats..

All you need is for the program to buy at a certain entry price, sell at an exit price and have a stop loss set to sell.

That seems pretty easy. But how do you program the algo to open up your brokerage account and place live trades?

Or consistently scan the market for opportunities?

That seems alot more math focused..

I believe in business keeping it simple works the best..
i think interactive brokers exposes an API to do this

Or consistently scan the market for opportunities?

This is the hardest part, most algo trading relies on sheer volume to make a profit off a .01 spread
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