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The secrets behind Joe Satriani's tone on Surfing With The Alien

His main guitars were a Kramer Pacer with two humbuckers, another Kramer Pacer with three single-coil pickups and a self-assembled Strat-style guitar made from a Boogie Bodies maple body and ESP ’59-style maple neck with ebony fretboard, with various pickup assemblies that he would swap as needed.

GUITAR: 1983 Kramer Pacer with rosewood fretboard and Seymour Duncan ’59 (neck) and JB (bridge) humbuckers (bridge pickup)



A few years later...

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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
There has never been a time where I wasn't completely offended by Schmoe's style of dress.

And while it is true great players can sound amazing with subpar gear - in my mind I think "dang, imagine just how much better they'd sound with some good gear!".
Want to try to get gud at fingerpicking classical acoustic before I get back to electric again
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
There has never been a time where I wasn't completely offended by Schmoe's style of dress.

And while it is true great players can sound amazing with subpar gear - in my mind I think "dang, imagine just how much better they'd sound with some good gear!".
No argument there but that second photo is the one I cut out and stuck on the wall while my broke ass at 13 wanted an Ibanez. I guarantee I wasn't putting that first photo up even though that's the same guy and the actual guitar on the album I was listening to. It's just interesting how we listen with our eyes and start fetishizing all sorts of gear.

There's a thread on TGP where people are angry at Wampler for doing a limited edition mini Klon pedal using his stash of supposedly hard to find germanium diodes. I was interested in trying one but they were all sold in hours and right on cue they were selling for hundreds more on ebay, etc. Is that thing really going to make my tone better? I doubt it. The best tones I've ever heard recorded and live were long before any of this boutique pedal stuff. But what happens is clever marketing starts to play tricks on you.

I know what is guaranteed to improve my tone and doesn't cost a dime.Practice.
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
I wouldn't mind having a classical guitar but I admit there aren't a lot of classical pieces on guitar that do much for me.
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
JHS did that recently with some kind other kind of pedal with those special limited chips and those two sold out like in an hour or two and immediately were re-listed on reverb for way more. Typical.
I saw that. Unfortunately even used gear is being driven up by youtubers looking for content. They'll find some old rack or pedal that is some "hidden gem," do a video, and presto, unobtanium. Rinse repeat until there's nothing left.

I bought a Bogner pedal last year off a guy who listed it for $200 on the Oz equivalent of craigslist. I actually threw him an extra $50 if he'd spend a few bucks shipping it up the coast and he must have jumped out of bed at midnight because he was right on it and we did the deal. If I wanted one now it's $600+ used in Japan. None for sale here. There's a lot of stuff like that now. Ridiculously inflated prices and then you've got that buy in the next 20 minutes late night TV style marketing or miss out.

I think it's time for me to impose a moratorium on gear purchases and just put the hours of practice in again.
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Wayne, ever watch this channel? Just hits record on the phone and plays and talks for 20-30 minutes in his kitchen and previously the garage. Rinse repeat for nearly 4 years now. Nashville session guy.

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Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
Wayne, ever watch this channel? Nashville session guy.
G'day mate....
(How's breakfast)

I think I've stumbled onto one of his some time ago.
I dig hearing session cats yak and tell their stories.

I'm off to give this one a couple of ears.

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Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
The man doesn't even try to hide his snobbery.

I had a 1989 Epiphone SG. Looked exactly like this with the black plastic pickup covers. Wish I still had it but unfortunately it was stolen. Gibson made a lot of garbage during that time so Epiphone was a solid option back then.

I started on Epiphones with my electric guitar journey so I'm partial to the brand, they are getting less affordable these days. What were normally 500-700 dollar guitars that were of decent quality are now nearing 1000+

But idk maybe it's economics. I added a new guitar to the stable I had the money it's a 2010 Epiphone Korina Flying V 1958 reissue. It sounds and plays fantastic. Versus me spending a small fortune on the Gibson equivalent.
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Originally Posted By Wayne
I dig hearing session cats yak and tell their stories.
Me too. Not only do you need to be a great player but also have nerves of steel to thrive in that business. He's all about coming up with parts that serve the song rather than just wanking off. He shares a lot of great information.
Originally Posted By CherryPopinski⏩
I started on Epiphones with my electric guitar journey so I'm partial to the brand, they are getting less affordable these days. What were normally 500-700 dollar guitars that were of decent quality are now nearing 1000+

But idk maybe it's economics. I added a new guitar to the stable I had the money it's a 2010 Epiphone Korina Flying V 1958 reissue. It sounds and plays fantastic. Versus me spending a small fortune on the Gibson equivalent.
Normally I'd say just buy used with a brand like that but unless you can score something locally and actually play it first then it's probably better to stick with new guitars where you have the option of returning them because I've seen some stupid prices this past year on used gear that don't justify the risk with no warranty.

Samick was building Epiphones in Korea from 1989-2002 and the one I had was probably one of those. They're now made in China. A friend bought an Epiphone SG Classic with P90s a couple of years ago and while it looked nice the frets were pretty rough. When he removed the pickguard he saw they'd used toothpicks to fill holes that weren't drilled in the right spot. He ended up selling it to buy a MIJ Richie Kotzen Tele.
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how are you getting on with the drums Rollerball?
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So many miscer guitar players. Mirin. Anyone make their own like intro pickin notes. I’m trying to make a song everyday but really it’s like 1 or two a week but I got this new song on acoustic starts in Am then C then F then Em. Since I’m just starting to add some intros I’m keeping it simple and going Am 4,3,2 then C 5,4,3 then F 5,4,3 then Em 5,4,3 then a strum and starting. But idk look forward to going ham on it. Been playing for 8 months and some change getting pretty decent lol
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Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
Me too. Not only do you need to be a great playerbut also have nerves of steel to thrive in that business. He's all about coming up with parts that serve the song rather than just wanking off. He shares a lot of great information.
G'day mate.

That's a fact.

It's a daunting path to try and make it in some fashion with ones' music endeavors.
One must have the skin of a snow tire, be prepared for lots of possible disappointment and be willing to take the bitter with the sweet.
Pursuing that path can potentially suck the enjoyment out of ones' music endeavors.
Me....I don't write sappy, cookie cutter, pop pablum love songs so that's take me out of the mix, so to speak.

Correct....that's why they're respected session players that have longevity in the biz....they "come up with parts that serve the song rather than just wanking off."

I was in live bands for several years, one being all originals from '76- '79, but I've never had any lofty ideas of, for lack of better terms, "making it" in the music arena.
I know my place in the music world.
My ego is not that big and have no dreamy ideas about garnering an actual listening demographic or fan base.
I'm just a long time song writer that enjoys the writing/recording process....it's just creative therapy for me.
If someone does check out my originals with any favorable comments that works for me.

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Originally Posted By Wayne
Correct....that's why they're respected session players that have longevity in the biz....they "come up with parts that serve the song rather than just wanking off."
When you've got the talent and work ethic I reckon the session world would be quite rewarding. He knows everyone, he's played on over a thousand albums, plays the occasional gig with Joe Walsh, etc. but can walk down the street without being mobbed like some of the artists whose music he's playing on. Done well enough to live in a nice part of TN, collect an impressive stash of '68 plexis, and a real '58 burst among many other nice vintage guitars. Good on him. Look for an interview on Rick Beato's channel to drop soon.
Originally Posted By Wayne
My ego is not that big and have no dreamy ideas about garnering an actual listening demographic or fan base.
I'm just a long time song writer that enjoys the writing/recording process....it's just creative therapy for me.
That's what it's all about Wayne. It gives you pleasure. I've been content to lurk in the shadows and just play for my enjoyment, it's not a job, although I do miss playing with other musicians. I would like to properly record my music one of these days before I'm landfill. I'll often write music with a loop pedal, on my phone, or the digital piano, and that's where it ends. Great musicians see it through to the "finished product" and then move on to the next idea. Rinse repeat.
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Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
That's what it's all about Wayne. It gives you pleasure. I've been content to lurk in the shadows and just play for my enjoyment, it's not a job, although I do miss playing with other musicians. I would like to properly record my music one of these days before I'm landfill.I'll often write music with a loop pedal, on my phone, or the digital piano, and that's where it ends. Great musicians see it through to the "finished product" and then move on to the next idea. Rinse repeat.
Yes....playing with other musicians is something I miss too but one has to find those that like the same genre.
The genre & bands that I like & respect are obvious from my uploads
Admittedly, I'm quite particular.

1) are you writing completed songs/compositions or just snippets that you haven't got around to (with necessary discipline) fleshing out?
2) do you have a recording setup at all?
3) what recording equipment are you using & what recording software?

I'd sure like to see more complete creative efforts submitted here but I understand that uploading one's creations requires some courage.
As I've stated before,"one must have the skin of a snow tire"and accept all comments from the bitter to the sweet which can be verydiscouraging to many....I get it.
I always try to encourage everyone in their writing pursuits and instrument disciplines.

Back to it. (shvt, I'm on spread with everyone...guess I need to find people to neg and try againJust kidding, I've never negged anyone)
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Is this thread all about gear or do you fellas share paywall tabs here, or share whatever you've been practicing?
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Originally Posted By Wayne
1) are you writing completed songs/compositions or just snippets that you haven't got around to (with necessary discipline) fleshing out?
2) do you have a recording setup at all?
3) what recording equipment are you using & what recording software?
1) I have written full songs but most of the time they're ideas when they come to me and then I move on to the next one.

2) I have an SM57 and an sE ribbon mic for my cabinet and a couple of Two Notes' CAB Ms for IRs if I want to go direct.

3) I have all the software I need and I'm comfortable using Pro Tools... but I find myself just recording on the phone. Got to break that habit. Anyway I need to take a leaf out of your book and get organised. See a song through to completion and move on to the next one.
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In other news there's a thread on TGP that is truly puzzling for me. People are complaining about the used prices of Warmoth partscasters.

If someone spent $1500 on parts and you think it's only worth $200, take that $200 and try to build the same guitar. Warmoth is still in business. Head over there and see how far you get with that $200.

Now I probably wouldn't buy someone else's build because I'd rather do it myself. The difference is I'm not going to complain about it. If I didn't have the skills then I'd have to trust the seller's work or buy the parts and have someone build it for me.
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
There is an inescapable aspect of brand name recognition when it comes to the used market. I imagine what they're concerned about is the sell-ability of a warmoth partskenstein later down the line. Much fewer customers are informed when it comes to Warmoth and I, myself, would never pay much for one just because I have no idea how well it was put together or how it actually plays when you only have pictures of it over the internet.

At least that's my take on it.
I totally get that take but I don't think you'd create a thread to complain about it and you've already paid more for Suhr and Charvel guitars that are well made. I mean you essentially have three options going the partscaster route. 1. Buy the instrument already assembled. 2. Build it yourself. 3. Pay someone to build it for you.

I just don't get the fantasy world some of them live in where "you paid $1500, I don't care, once you built it it's only worth $200." I said it's worth whatever someone is prepared to pay. "Thats such a cop out of an answer lol" So I said then build it yourself... or complain.
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Originally Posted By GatorBoy92⏩
Is this thread all about gear or do you fellas share paywall tabs here, or share whatever you've been practicing?
In for answers.

Also, I bought a year subscription for Yousician during Black Friday. It obviously doesn't teach theory. Is there a website, or youtube channel that will supplement for good theory? Either paid or free.

My next big project is going to be Hallelujah, Jeff Buckley version.
I'm looking at this Tab.

https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/tab...ah-tabs-113039
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Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
1) I have written full songs but most of the time they're ideas when they come to me and then I move on to the next one.

2) I have an SM57 and an sE ribbon mic for my cabinet and a couple of Two Notes' CAB Ms for IRs if I want to go direct.

3) I have all the software I need and I'm comfortable using Pro Tools... but I find myself just recording on the phone. Got to break that habit. Anyway I need to take a leaf out of your book and get organised. See a song through to completion and move on to the next one.
G'day Dom....

1) That habit seems to be prevalent with many. Song/composition writing is not easy. It requires desire, focus & discipline."Desire", of course, is step #1.
2) From my live band days (1970-1980 I still have my SM57's, 58's and a Shure Unisphere 1. I have a CAD E-100 condenser for recording vox. I don't have one but my understanding is ribbons are good for your application.
3) Well....I always encourage people too flesh out their ideas into an actual song/composition. It will have a great feeling of accomplishment, it gets easier as time goes on and it gives us some...oh, creative street cred with musicians & writers better than ourselves....the very demographic ofmusicians & writersI would strive to surround myself with.

If you do decide to buckle down and get out of the trapof snippet mode I'd be happy to help (if I could) should you get stuck or at some creative impasse.

Something I'll throw out (again) is if you want to have great backing tracks played by real musicians I'd recommend "Band In A Box".
I've employed that great backing band tool for the last 20 or so of my originals
Don't let the name fool you....I've used it since 2012.
Should that be remotely curious to you here's a couple of links:
Forums:https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=cfrm
Tutorials:https://www.pgmusic.com/videos.bbwin.htm

If you're not looking for 'backing tracks' just ignore my endorsement above.

Thanks a bunch for indulging my questions and hope you receive my post as intended.

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Originally Posted By Wayne
If you're not looking for 'backing tracks' just ignore my endorsement above.
Taking all the advice on board Wayne. I'd never used backing tracks before that Vai song. I was just going to do it over some arpeggiated chords on a loop pedal but it's a night and day difference with a proper track.

This livestream is something you don't see much of. The session guy I mentioned producing a young band's album. I'm around 1h40 in and it really highlights the difference between jamming and what's required for an album. At various points you can see some of them getting bored but a good producer gets the most out of a band and that means doing parts over and over until it sounds right.

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Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
Taking all the advice on board Wayne.I'd never used backing tracks before that Vai song. I was just going to do it over some arpeggiated chords on a loop pedal but it's a night and day difference with a proper track.
Cool....just trying to help, keep the thread alive and bait more contributors to chime in with their efforts.

Ha...yes, much different with proper tracks.
The BIAB program is loaded with 'real tracks' played by real musicians.
If I didn't have that program I wouldn't have written my last dozen + of my songs and/or many would still be languishing some embarrassing "Unfinished songs" folder.

Checking out that video.

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