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post 1694962083 12-16-2023, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
On the other hand, why should I pay for the care of the morbidly obese, a drug addict, a smoker, an alcoholic, etc?

And would this Healthcare apply to elective surgeries?
Because people make all kinds of choices in society, and you can always claim someone's health misfortune is their own fault if you try hard enough. It leads to absolutely retarded conclusions. If someone was driving 3mph over the speed limit and crashed, and couldn't afford emergency surgery, should he be left to die on the road? If someone was skiing with their family and impaled themselves on something should they be left to die?

37 out of 38 OECD countries can manage universal or near universal health coverage, but the most powerful and technologically advanced one just can't. Imagine supporting this unironically.
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Originally Posted By israelmustgo⏩
Republicans largely supported aid to Ukraine. Maybe you didn't want to, but you don't speak for America.
You should understand.. there are laws, regulations and overall actions committed by government without the approval of the US citizens.

We’re supposedly a democracy, but that only happens, allegedly, when voting in elections.

Everything else government does, seems to be doing it without the approval of the people.
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post 1694962763 12-16-2023, 03:17 PM
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because they're brain dead?

they'd rather their $$$ go to Israel/Ukraine and American global Imperialism.

Only country in the world with military bases on every single continent. LMAO. Yeah sure it's to keep you "safe"....fkn clowns.

Meanwhile 8 million military aged men and sleeper cells have crossed your border since Xiden came to "power".
post 1694962953 12-16-2023, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
On the other hand, why should I pay for the care of the morbidly obese, a drug addict, a smoker, an alcoholic, etc?

And would this Healthcare apply to elective surgeries?
Yet your tax dollars go to fund Israeli's publicly afforded healthcare system.

LMAO boomer Dave. You'll never learn... lmfao.
post 1694963183 12-16-2023, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted By 6gorillion⏩
Yet your tax dollars go to fund Israeli's publicly afforded healthcare system.

LMAO boomer Dave. You'll never learn... lmfao.
Their border as well.

There is a reason Dave is a cop, living off the government.
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post 1694963363 12-16-2023, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted By OPGenesis⏩
Their border as well.

There is a reason Dave is a cop, living off the government.
oh yeah, forgot that too. their border wall as well, while ours is shut down by Congress because "walls don't work"
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Originally Posted By Mark1T⏩
No matter your politics, it boils down to service. I might have symptoms of prostate cancer. If it takes me literally 6 months to finally see me for an initial assessment, my cancer might have advanced to the terminal level. Anything less than urgent is slow-motion and cancelling out the perceived value of Universal Healthcare.

So, I guess the public's viewpoint is that my vote is worth more than me living for another 6 months.

IMO, the public is being played.
This is correct. In Canada people die very often waiting for care, "free" walk- in clinics are steadily closing so ER is the only resort, doctors fleeing to other countries where the government is not setting prices, cant get family doctor for years, subpar "care because they got to get you out of the office, government dictates what they feel you need to be tested for...etc.

Plain and simple. Its crap. Wincell you can spout all your "educated" nonsense but I am living it. The realities are it may work in small, homogeneous societies with a focus on healthy living.
post 1694965403 12-16-2023, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted By ThePD⏩
This is correct. In Canada people die very often waiting for care, "free" walk- in clinics are steadily closing so ER is the only resort, doctors fleeing to other countries where the government is not setting prices, cant get family doctor for years, subpar "care because they got to get you out of the office, government dictates what they feel you need to be tested for...etc.

Plain and simple. Its crap. Wincell you can spout all your "educated" nonsense but I am living it. The realities are it may work in small, homogeneous societies with a focus on healthy living.
This is the wealthiest nation on Earth. We can have better healthcare.
post 1694965453 12-16-2023, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
Remember Obamacare?



A Capitol Hill staffer hauls the 20,000 pages of Obamacare regulations on a dolly..

It'll be aight bro, just trust teh gumint.. We'll just have to pass it to see what's in it!
Obamacare is the bastard capitalist version of healthcare for everyone.
post 1694965533 12-16-2023, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted By EvanStroud⏩
Because the second you give the government money for anything they shred it up in the beaurocratic woodchipper. Biden threw like $70B at a project to build EV charging stations a couple years ago, and they still haven't built a single one. Just lol at wanting that same level of ineptitude when it comes to your life.
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Originally Posted By isingmodel⏩
Because people make all kinds of choices in society, and you can always claim someone's health misfortune is their own fault if you try hard enough. It leads to absolutely retarded conclusions. If someone was driving 3mph over the speed limit and crashed, and couldn't afford emergency surgery, should he be left to die on the road? If someone was skiing with their family and impaled themselves on something should they be left to die?

37 out of 38 OECD countries can manage universal or near universal health coverage, but the most powerful and technologically advanced one just can't. Imagine supporting this unironically.
Because a lifetime of abusing your body is equivalent to speeding within the margin of error of a speedometer and fkin skiing. Dude you are a joke lol
post 1694969093 12-16-2023, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted By A-GAME⏩
Singapore has a population under 5.5M, an extremely strong border and a conservative population governed by a "zero tolerance"government with strict laws. Comparing them to the US is something only a smooth-brained liberal would do between crying and fisting ze/self.
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post 1694969173 12-16-2023, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted By israelmustgo⏩
The population is unhealthy because of the retarded system. Capitalist hedonism and excess led us here. Their greed and indifference to disease led to this monstrosity of a healthcare system.
What a load of BS

The population is unhealthy because of the retarded system how exactly???
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post 1694969183 12-16-2023, 05:55 PM
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For some strange reason people are under the impression that if Americans cannot pay they cannot receive healthcare. Sorry to burst your bubble. But homeless and poor people get treated all the time.



We actually had a homeless guy where I live who racked up $300K worth of ambulance rides. (Privatized ambulance company). Guess what. He still got his ride every single time he needed/wanted one. Dude was in and out of the hospital at least 1-2x per week for nonsensical reasons.



Our healthcare system is not perfect. But the government always ****s everything up. I have 0 faith in their ability to regulate healthcare.
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Originally Posted By isingmodel⏩
You must have missed the first sentence of my OP?
Should illegal filth get free healthcare when they contribute nothing? And no, buying a crate of beer does not mean they are contributing….
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post 1694969483 12-16-2023, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted By 6gorillion⏩
Yet your tax dollars go to fund Israeli's publicly afforded healthcare system.

LMAO boomer Dave. You'll never learn... lmfao.
I would rather Zero money go abroad and every illegal was sent home and don’t get to use our healthcare system and education system for free. Maybe then we could talk about healthcare
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post 1694969533 12-16-2023, 06:01 PM
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Because Americans listen to jews who think money is the end all be all of life, and these jews have brainwashed them into fighting their very own interest at every turn.

Thats why Americans support some big fat cats getting rich off of the suffering of sick people, to the point that these industry jews are promoting lifestyles that lead to disease.

Americans oppose anything that is good for the common man, and support everything that is good for the elite/jews. Thats why the country is in the deplorable state it's in today.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
On the other hand, why should I pay for the care of the morbidly obese, a drug addict, a smoker, an alcoholic, etc?

And would this Healthcare apply to elective surgeries?
Why do you live in a country with so many morbidly obese, drug addict, smokers, and alcoholics?
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People would live too long - this would
1. Increase social security cost
2. Decrease available housing
3. Reduce housing affordability
4. Cause more harm to the environment


The best way to pull this of is a promotional euthanasia system included.

I.e anyone between the ages of 65-71 have an option of assisted suicide with a tax-free inheritance award of $150k going to a relative, or loved ones, of their choosing.


That system would save us money, free up housing, and help the environment.
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Originally Posted By Islandboyo⏩
Because Americans listen to jews who think money is the end all be all of life, and these jews have brainwashed them into fighting their very own interest at every turn.

Thats why Americans support some big fat cats getting rich off of the suffering of sick people, to the point that these industry jews are promoting lifestyles that lead to disease.

Americans oppose anything that is good for the common man, and support everything that is good for the elite/jews. Thats why the country is in the deplorable state it's in today.
That's a huge oversimplification, and not a very accurate one imo.

First - "Universal Healthcare" would just be putting a bandaid over a much deeper issue.
Second - Nothing is free. Without addressing all of those bigger issues, it will just result in bigger tax/financial burdens on the middle class (to subsidize the chit) that's already getting bled dry.
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Originally Posted By isingmodel⏩
Because people make all kinds of choices in society, and you can always claim someone's health misfortune is their own fault if you try hard enough. It leads to absolutely retarded conclusions. If someone was driving 3mph over the speed limit and crashed, and couldn't afford emergency surgery, should he be left to die on the road? If someone was skiing with their family and impaled themselves on something should they be left to die?

37 out of 38 OECD countries can manage universal or near universal health coverage, but the most powerful and technologically advanced one just can't. Imagine supporting this unironically.
And yet wealthy people from all of these countries, come to the US for medical care.

Hell, even in the UK you have private health insurance, yet why would that be necessary under Universal Healthcare?
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Originally Posted By Islandboyo⏩
Why do you live in a country with so many morbidly obese, drug addict, smokers, and alcoholics?
Let me guess, because of Jews?
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Originally Posted By gluon⏩
Because a lifetime of abusing your body is equivalent to speeding within the margin of error of a speedometer and fkin skiing. Dude you are a joke lol
I don't get when people use that argument.

Also, under this system, would taxpayers pay for the surgeries of trannies? Would we have to pay for their meds?
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
And yet wealthy people from all of these countries, come to the US for medical care.

Hell, even in the UK you have private health insurance, yet why would that be necessary under Universal Healthcare?
Great if you're wealthy. And if you're not?
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
That's a huge oversimplification, and not a very accurate one imo.

First - "Universal Healthcare" would just be putting a bandaid over a much deeper issue.
Second - Nothing is free. Without addressing all of those bigger issues, it will just result in bigger tax/financial burdens on the middle class (to subsidize the chit) that's already getting bled dry.
It is indeed a simplification, but it is true at its core, and also the source for many other American problems.
I'm speaking to the spirit of American society, not necessarily the fact that we need universal health care.

All of America's issues lead back to its weird idea of individualism/anti-governance combined with its obsession with money. So would universal healthcare in our current conditions make sense? No, but in a better America people would be able to afford all the healthcare they needed, by whichever mechanism makes that possible whether it be "universal" or "private"

In that same better America there wouldn't be millions of foreigners, a complete lack of discipline, terrible food options, and industries who pushed bad habits on people either.
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Originally Posted By Islandboyo⏩
It is indeed a simplification, but it is true at its core, and also the source for many other American problems.
I'm speaking to the spirit of American society, not necessarily the fact that we need universal health care.

All of America's issues lead back to its weird idea of individualism/anti-governance combined with its obsession with money. So would universal healthcare in our current conditions make sense? No,but in a better America people would be able to afford all the healthcare they needed, by whichever mechanism makes that possible weather it be "universal" or "private"

In that same better America there wouldn't be millions of foreigners, a complete lack of discipline, terrible food options, and industries who pushed bad habits on people either.
Agreed.
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Originally Posted By isingmodel⏩
Great if you're wealthy. And if you're not?
Most jobs come with health insurance.
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Originally Posted By Islandboyo⏩
It is indeed a simplification, but it is true at its core, and also the source for many other American problems.
I'm speaking to the spirit of American society, not necessarily the fact that we need universal health care.

All of America's issues lead back to its weird idea of individualism/anti-governance combined with its obsession with money. So would universal healthcare in our current conditions make sense? No, but in a better America people would be able to afford all the healthcare they needed, by whichever mechanism makes that possible whether it be "universal" or "private"

In that same better America there wouldn't be millions of foreigners, a complete lack of discipline, terrible food options, and industries who pushed bad habits on people either.
What's wrong with individualism? Look at Arnold, he came here with just a few bucks, and look at the life he created for himself, because he left Socialism behind.
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Where is this mythical alternate universe where people are denied care of needed medical care in the United States?
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Originally Posted By isingmodel⏩
Universal healthcare does not even mean a government run healthcare system, you have countries like Switzerland and Singapore which arguably are more private focused than the US and yet they still guarantee care to everyone regardless of income.

Can the bootlicker boomer class of economic conservative who rejects things like this hope to survive into the future?
Because the politicians are paid by the pharmaceuticals and private insured companies to keep going on with this current horrible system. These politicians than say universal care is bad for you. What you have is the population of the United States of America just listening to whatever their politician is preaching from their lobbyist.

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