So vitamins and exercise needlessly killed thousands and thousands of people in Florida? I don't know how some of you people can even get the courage to put your thoughts out to the public...

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...89004223027189

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.28187

Why recommend for pregnant women if vaccines are so dangerous?

What does Alex say?

Holeee fuk

If every fat fuk who did their part getting vaccinated (with a vaccine that didn’t prevent either catching or spreading the virus) spent the first year exercising and taking vitamin D, Covid would have been less impactful than a flu.

New York sent contagious people home to old folks homes and didn’t use any of the medical ships parked off shore and cause the massacre of thousands. They also doomed people to lung infection in ventilators without staff to manage it.


Like this is all very well scientifically documented fact. How you could walk any of that back and try to repackage it is fukking hilarious.


And wincel. Honestly the problem is you can’t break free of your conditioning. You aren’t pessimistic enough where it should be applied. And you are just one corner short of seeing a new perspective.

Cuba, Gaza, indoctrination of the right. You see it. But you don’t see the indoctrination of the left, you don’t see the corruption of the media you consume. Open the door all the way.

Let’s say we agree to say the civil war was over the south’s stated desire to keep slaves. Yes this is true. But what happens to the narrative of the government overreach and understanding of consolidation of power and expansion of the federal glove as a historic map.

What happens to the struggles of black people in a time of persecution and discrimination, through the civil rights. You start to erase the lines of what the experience was like. The country wasn’t good with black people in the north and the north won and it’s just one view point against the other with good triumphing. It wasn’t black and white like that and black people were just pawns. You are advocating to continuing that rhetoric and avoiding facing the reality of the stated intentions of our government never lining up with the actual intentions of the people who are guiding our country with their only concern being their personal agendas.

DeSantis learned a lot actually…. He learned to not to murder people with ventilators and to not send Covid patients back to their nursing homes. I guess he can thank NY for that.



Edit - Gandalf above

You didn’t counter any of my points.



Then again, you also still believe that omicron is just as severe as delta.

Which countries, dipchit?

Dunno who wincel is, but I will reply.

The war was still over slavery, and that is the point. At no point was it stated the North was uniformly good or progressive or that Lincoln had noble motives, etc.

And I consume all sorts of media and pick apart their lies. Vitamin D and exercise do not prevent covid. They help, but they are not treatments for this viral disease. You desperately want this to be in your control or something. It is a fuking virus, and we can and should use every scientific tool we have to fight it.

Really? Are you fukking kidding me?

https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/26/...-policymaking/

You really have an irrational fixation on that topic... Always ready to jump in and deflect from failed threads

You don’t need to treat it if it’s harmless to you.

Mind finding me a skinny person who died from it without multiple risk factors? Weird how fat people all have a major risk factor.

Because you don't make points. You parrot a substack.

Clearly, vascular and cardiac issues resulting from the virus isn't new information, at all.

Also wincel. If the model for lockdowns was developed with an assumed ifr of 2-6%. How come they didn’t throw the model away when we established it was 10 x less than that?

Do we even science?

It is not harmless. People do die. It's just rare. There are also a lot of survivors who get damage due to the disease. It was the 5th highest cause of death among adolescents. It was the 8th highest cause of death in kids. Many of these kids did not have underlying conditions and were not obese. You don't understand how viruses work. It is a crapshoot whether your immune system makes appropriate antibodies in time. Some people have terrible luck and end up dying. It isn't some deterministic nazi filter for who is "fit" and "unfit". Being in good health helps, but you guys grossly overestimate the impact that has on your immune function.

Your claims make no sense. Florida and New York had nearly identical infection and death rates... even though Florida's overall population is much older with a bias to retirees.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Let the pro experiment crew take the injections. They need them.

Ill just keep monitoring for results (control group crew)

This is a mind of a boomer everyone. This is what we're dealing with...

Because your assumption was false. Epidemiologists used many models to try to estimate how the disease would spread. Lockdowns were almost unanimously employed by countries all over the world because they are the obvious logical way to slow spread and try to manage care.

https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...20its%20lining.

Sweden and Denmark said on Wednesday they are pausing the use of Moderna's (MRNA.O) COVID-19 vaccine for younger age groups after reports of possible rare cardiovascular side effects.

The Swedish health agency said it would pause using the shot for people born in 1991 and later as data pointed to an increase of myocarditis and pericarditis among youths and young adults that had been vaccinated. Those conditions involve an inflammation of the heart or its lining.

"The connection is especially clear when it comes to Moderna's vaccine Spikevax, especially after the second dose," the health agency said

https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/...t%20vaccinated.


Recommendations for vaccination against seasonal influenza and COVID-19 from 1 October 2023. The Public Health Agency of Sweden recommends that allpeople aged 65 or over and people in other risk groups should get vaccinated.


https://www.lemonde.fr/en/health/art...20for%20Health.




https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberth...ing-cases/amp/

Germany’s vaccine advisory board on Wednesday recommended against using Moderna’s Covid-19 shot in people under 30 due to evidence suggesting a very small risk of heart inflammation, joining France and a string of other European countries restricting the vaccine as coronavirus cases across the continent soar to record levels.



https://www.health.gov.au/our-work/c.../booster-doses

A booster dose is recommended for all adults:
aged 65 years and over
aged 18 to 64 who have medical comorbidities that increase their risk of severe COVID-19
aged 18 to 64 who have a disability with significant or complex health needs





If you want the full list feel free to research for yourself

Actually no, you either followed the who recommended model and got the who funding money. Or you didn’t.

They used the imperial college of London model for deaths and never modified their recommendations.

Try to focus on the topic, you're all over the place.

NY did what was recommended at the time. Employees at nursing homes were told to come to work sick - that's how nursing home patients got infected -NOTby sick patients returning to the homes. Ask yourself this... how did the first nursing home patient get sick in the first place? Outside employees and workers. Period. You're just regurgitating the same old false talking points that get brought up every time this subject comes up. The facts completely disagree with this. Period.

And I can't believe I have to say this but diet and exercise areNOTsolutions to a pandemic. That's general advice for general health - not an actual solution to a pandemic. Again.. you'd have to be a fuking idiot to think eating well and taking vitamins would protect you from covid-19. They are 100% responsible for those needless Florida deaths.

[QUOTE=-JR post_id=1695651853]Really? Are you fukking kidding me?

[URL=https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/26/cuomos-nursing-home-fiasco-ethical-perils-pandemic-policymaking/]https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/26/...-policymaking/[/URL]



[Img]https://c.tenor.com/fLgNjCQBI7YAAAAC/tenor.gif[img][/QUOTE]This is the crap I'm talking about. Rewriting history doesn't change the facts of what actually happened.

Really?

https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis...ring-pandemic#

No that's not how it works, and WHO doesn't fund government healthcare systems. No, Imperial college was just one of many people modeling things. You have no clue about epidemiology or how public health decisions are made.

I also again want to stress that your own governors imposed said policies and signed off on them.

Yes really. Sweden had a disproportionately high casualty rate relative to their neighbors. Look it up. All these fuktards always point to Sweden as some paragon in the covid response. They really didn't do well at all. lmfao @ linking CATO and thinking you have a clue

Germany

"Groups of people who are at increased risk are recommended an additional booster vaccination once a year. The vaccination should be administered with a variant-adapted vaccine and generally at least 12 months after the previous vaccination or infection. Preferably vaccinations should be administered in autumn, so that in case of growing infection rates, vulnerable people still have the best-possible protection in autumn and winter.

This applies to:

All people aged 60 or over
Residents of long-term care facilities
Anyone over the age of 6 months with an underlying condition
People of all ages with an increased infection risk on account of their occupation in medical or long-term care
Family members and close contacts of people for whom the COVID-19 vaccination is unlikely to produce a protective immune response
For people with an immune deficiency and a relevant limited immune response, additional vaccine doses in shorter intervals may be beneficial. Whether additional vaccine doses are needed is determined by the attending physician.

Who is eligible for COVID-19 vaccination?
Since 7 April 2023, entitlement to COVID-19 vaccinations for people with statutory health insurance is subject to the provisions of the vaccination guideline (German) passed by the Joint Federal Committee of Physicians and Health Insurance Funds (G-BA) on the basis of the Standing Committee on Vaccination’s recommendation. According to the COVID-19 Prevention Ordinance, aside from the provisions of the vaccination guideline, those insured are entitled to COVID-19 vaccinations should a doctor deem it medically necessary."

https://www.bundesgesundheitsministe...19-vaccination

You mean like putting nsa and cia in charge of operation warpspeed instead of cdc or nih? Are you sure YOU are aware of how public health decisions get made?

Are you disagreeing with all the European countries that point out all the risk factors with heart attacks in young men from Covid vaccines versus risk from Covid? Are you agreeing with our country being one of the very few still trying to jab 6 year olds for Covid?

And I was obviously talking about who funding globally to countries that needed aid. Clearly America had its own problems, like putting the military in charge of the psy-op, but we hardly need who money.

Operation Warp Speed was Donald Trump's thing, and no, the NSA and CIA weren't in charge. What do you think the vaccine is? Spyware or something? At best, the NSA was used to provide cybersecurity to protect the research, and the military was called in to help distribute and store the vaccines.

Covid was not a psyop. It is a real fuking disease that has killed millions of people. And BTW if you don't want to take an mRNA vaccine, don't. These weren't the only vaccines rolled out globally. There was the Sputnik vaccine and Sinovac and others. You guys are just antivaccine in general because you are fuking idiots. Or for some reason, you are fixated on mRNA vaccines and think they are somehow uniquely dangerous.

Yeah there is no science supporting the idea that vaccines are somehow worse for your heart than the actual fuking disease itself. It's so laughable. You have been hilariously misinformed.

Show me who says the vaccine is somehow worse than getting actual covid lmfao.

At some point you have to ask yourself why do you keep interacting with people who believe this stuff? It tells you everything you need to know about them. Not worth the time or effort.. and it's only getting worse (if that's possible). It might be time..

https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...20its%20lining.

Sweden and Denmark said on Wednesday they are pausing the use of Moderna's (MRNA.O) COVID-19 vaccine for younger age groups after reports of possible rare cardiovascular side effects.

The Swedish health agency said it would pause using the shot for people born in 1991 and later as data pointed to an increase of myocarditis and pericarditis among youths and young adults that had been vaccinated. Those conditions involve an inflammation of the heart or its lining.

"The connection is especially clear when it comes to Moderna's vaccine Spikevax, especially after the second dose," the health agency said

https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/...t%20vaccinated.


Recommendations for vaccination against seasonal influenza and COVID-19 from 1 October 2023. The Public Health Agency of Sweden recommends that allpeople aged 65 or over and people in other risk groups should get vaccinated.


https://www.lemonde.fr/en/health/art...20for%20Health.




https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberth...ing-cases/amp/

Germany’s vaccine advisory board on Wednesday recommended against using Moderna’s Covid-19 shot in people under 30 due to evidence suggesting a very small risk of heart inflammation, joining France and a string of other European countries restricting the vaccine as coronavirus cases across the continent soar to record levels.



https://www.health.gov.au/our-work/c.../booster-doses

A booster dose is recommended for all adults:
aged 65 years and over
aged 18 to 64 who have medical comorbidities that increase their risk of severe COVID-19
aged 18 to 64 who have a disability with significant or complex health needs





If you want the full list feel free to research for yourself

Yes it was trump. Trump ruined this country with ppp loans and lockdowns. I’ve said this many times. Just because I think the current nonsense is nonsense and dems are being totalitarian fascists, doesn’t mean I’m ok with what that old fuk did to this country in the end.

And you seem to be very confused what a psy-op is.

It doesn’t mean Covid was fake. It’s meant to upplay the dangers, cause panic, give people to readily give up control. It’s to test how fast they could role out a response to a bio weapon threat. How they could get controlled and distribution in place. It was a national security fire drill.

And you claim there’s no science that shows vaccines are worse for your heart than Covid. Then what were the scientists in Sweden, Denmark, Norway, etc claiming when they said “hey guys under 30, don’t take these”

Try to keep thinking.