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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Germany’s vaccine advisory board on Wednesday recommended against using Moderna’s Covid-19 shot in people under 30 due to evidence suggesting a very small risk of heart inflammation, joining France and a string of other European countries restricting the vaccine as coronavirus cases across the continent soar to record levels.



https://www.health.gov.au/our-work/c.../booster-doses

A booster dose is recommended for all adults:
aged 65 years and over
aged 18 to 64 who have medical comorbidities that increase their risk of severe COVID-19
aged 18 to 64 who have a disability with significant or complex health needs





If you want the full list feel free to research for yourself
Germany

https://www.bundesgesundheitsministe...19-vaccination
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
At some point you have to ask yourself why do you keep interacting with people who believe this stuff? It tells you everything you need to know about them. Not worth the time or effort.. and it's only getting worse (if that's possible). It might be time..
Believe what stuff ? I fully blame Donald trump for it? Is there a problem with that or are you ok with him having done operation warpspeed, just not him paying back a loan?
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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
Yes it was trump. Trump ruined this country with ppp loans and lockdowns. I’ve said this many times. Just because I think the current nonsense is nonsense and dems are being totalitarian fascists, doesn’t mean I’m ok with what that old fuk did to this country in the end.

And you seem to be very confused what a psy-op is.

It doesn’t mean Covid was fake. It’s meant to upplay the dangers, cause panic, give people to readily give up control. It’s to test how fast they could role out a response to a bio weapon threat. How they could get controlled and distribution in place. It was a national security fire drill.

And you claim there’s no science that shows vaccines are worse for your heart than Covid. Then what were the scientists in Sweden, Denmark, Norway, etc claiming when they said “hey guys under 30, don’t take these”

Try to keep thinking.
Of course there are opportunists in every crisis. Pfizer and Moderna made bank off this chit. We should have voided their patents and shared this chit with the world, but Congress is controlled by capitalist pussies.

Again, I don't think scientists ever said that. They made specific recommendations against Moderna's vaccine because it was riskier than Pfizer. They didn't recommend against vaccination in general. They just switched to the Pfizer shot. Antivaxxers editorialize and distort what is said to further their agendas.
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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
Believe what stuff ? I fully blame Donald trump for it? Is there a problem with that or are you ok with him having done operation warpspeed, just not him paying back a loan?
Operation Warpspeed was one of the few things Don did right.
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Originally Posted By ComradeFidel⏩
Of course there are opportunists in every crisis. Pfizer and Moderna made bank off this chit. We should have voided their patents and shared this chit with the world, but Congress is controlled by capitalist pussies.

Again, I don't think scientists ever said that. They made specific recommendations against Moderna's vaccine because it was riskier than Pfizer. They didn't recommend against vaccination in general. They just switched to the Pfizer shot. Antivaxxers editorialize and distort what is said to further their agendas.
We literally just listed the countries that halted all shots for men below 30 dude.

The fact you can’t see the censorship of viewpoints that by tenets of science should at least be talked about but are instead made pariah, as completely antithesis to what science should be about, blows my mind.
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Originally Posted By ComradeFidel⏩
Yes really. Sweden had a disproportionately high casualty rate relative to their neighbors. Look it up. All these fuktards always point to Sweden as some paragon in the covid response. They really didn't do well at all. lmfao @ linking CATO and thinking you have a clue
Still did better than the states....
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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
We literally just listed the countries that halted all shots for men below 30 dude.

The fact you can’t see the censorship of viewpoints that by tenets of science should at least be talked about but are instead made pariah, as completely antithesis to what science should be about, blows my mind.
You keep saying that, but they didn't. They kept offering the Pfizer shot.
Originally Posted By ThePD⏩
Still did better than the states....
And there are other reasons for that. If we had adopted Sweden's policies, we'd have done even worse.
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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
Believe what stuff ? I fully blame Donald trump for it? Is there a problem with that or are you ok with him having done operation warpspeed, just not him paying back a loan?
Go back and re-read what was quoted by the person I quoted. You tend to make statements that are factually at odds with the person your discussing the topic with. If both people can't agree on basic facts there's no discussion. That's all.
Originally Posted By ComradeFidel⏩
You keep saying that, but they didn't. They kept offering the Pfizer shot.

And there are other reasons for that. If we had adopted Sweden's policies, we'd have done even worse.
Bolded is just another example.

And people here were praising Sweden until they got wrecked.. and now we're still seeing people repeating the same false talking points that they were a success. They do it with everything. I guess for some people if you just keep repeating something it'll become true?....
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Originally Posted By ComradeFidel⏩
You keep saying that, but they didn't. They kept offering the Pfizer shot.

And there are other reasons for that. If we had adopted Sweden's policies, we'd have done even worse.
Correct I can eat my words. I still see no recommendations for kids under 12 unless other high risk factors are involved, while my two year olds doctor tried to get me to give her a Covid shot a few months ago.
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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
Correct I can eat my words. I still see no recommendations for kids under 12 unless other high risk factors are involved, while my two year olds doctor tried to get me to give her a Covid shot a few months ago.
Differences in funding models might be worth considering.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Differences in funding models might be worth considering.
Why should that be a factor in the science of what’s a risk factor and what’s worth a risk of unknown long term health affects, no studies on new treatments with several red flag possible negative future consequences?
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Originally Posted By ComradeFidel⏩
And there are other reasons for that. If we had adopted Sweden's policies, we'd have done even worse.
I agree to a point....what could have we done to help those other reasons?
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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
Why should that be a factor in the science of what’s a risk factor and what’s worth a risk of unknown long term health affects, no studies on new treatments with several red flag possible negative future consequences?
Difference in science? Not at all

Some countries have universal insurance and vaccines are expensive.

These are the most studied vaccines in history.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Difference in science? Not at all

Some countries have universal insurance and vaccines are expensive.

These are the most studied vaccines in history.
Most studied by volume of studies doesn’t make up for zero long term studies lol.

And are you really trying to argue that most countries are not giving 6 year olds COVID vaccines because they can’t afford to?

We threw away 80 million govt purchased shots just in this country alone. They were everywhere and free.

Guess that’s perks of being one of 2 countries in the world that allows pharma advertising.
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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
Most studied by volume of studies doesn’t make up for zero long term studies lol.

And are you really trying to argue that most countries are not giving 6 year olds COVID vaccines because they can’t afford to?

We threw away 80 million govt purchased shots just in this country alone. They were everywhere and free.

Guess that’s perks of being one of 2 countries in the world that allows pharma advertising.
Which vaccines satisfied skeptics' long term data requirements prior to approval?

No Pharma advertising here
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Difference in science? Not at all

Some countries have universal insurance and vaccines are expensive.

These are the most studied vaccines in history.
If it’s a monetary issue then they have determined the injections aren’t worth administering. Which would mean that the injections don’t adequately prevent future issues enough to justify spending the money on them. That means either Covid isn’t that bad, the injections aren’t very effective, or both.
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Lmao this is proof low IQ people will believes anything. Especially low IQ boomers.
You and your worthless kids get the latest shots?
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
If it’s a monetary issue then they have determined the injections aren’t worth administering. Which would mean that the injections don’t adequately prevent future issues enough to justify spending the money on them. That means either Covid isn’t that bad, the injections aren’t very effective, or both.
That's the narrative
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Which vaccines satisfied skeptics' long term data requirements prior to approval?

No Pharma advertising here
Glad you asked

Typically we use vaers reports and continue to monitoring. No long term health effects will be fully understood for well over a decade. How’s the vaers report going with Covid versus other vaccines?
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Go back and re-read what was quoted by the person I quoted. You tend to make statements that are factually at odds with the person your discussing the topic with. If both people can't agree on basic facts there's no discussion. That's all.




Bolded is just another example.

And people here were praising Sweden until they got wrecked.. and now we're still seeing people repeating the same false talking points that they were a success. They do it with everything. I guess for some people if you just keep repeating something it'll become true?....
What's your definition of wrecked? Hell, the red states eased their restrictions after two months and they were fine.

And every Democratic politician, who pushed for the harshest lockdowns, always violated them, and people like you didn't even care, you made excuses for them. They all vacationed in red states and Mexico, while telling people like you to stay at home.
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Originally Posted By ComradeFidel⏩
Of course there are opportunists in every crisis. Pfizer and Moderna made bank off this chit. We should have voided their patents and shared this chit with the world, but Congress is controlled by capitalist pussies.

Again, I don't think scientists ever said that. They made specific recommendations against Moderna's vaccine because it was riskier than Pfizer. They didn't recommend against vaccination in general. They just switched to the Pfizer shot. Antivaxxers editorialize and distort what is said to further their agendas.
It’s more than that….they outright don’t recommend them for people under 55 unless they have severe issues or in a few other very rare cases. A big reason they paused the offering was because of a significant signal being identified with regards to heart issues. And after the pause, they stopped recommending them for many people. It’s as simple as that.


But by all means keep carrying the torch and saying this new, extremely weakened version of the virus is going to, for some weird reason, lead to an epidemic of heart problems. The very type of heart problems that the injections that were given to billions of people around the world cause.


Fidel would be proud of your service running cover for big pharma.
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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
Glad you asked

Typically we use vaers reports and continue to monitoring. No long term health effects will be fully understood for well over a decade. How’s the vaers report going with Covid versus other vaccines?
Who's is "we"?

How do you monitor a product though VAERS prior to approval?
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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
Yes it was trump. Trump ruined this country with ppp loans and lockdowns. I’ve said this many times. Just because I think the current nonsense is nonsense and dems are being totalitarian fascists, doesn’t mean I’m ok with what that old fuk did to this country in the end.

And you seem to be very confused what a psy-op is.

It doesn’t mean Covid was fake. It’s meant to upplay the dangers, cause panic, give people to readily give up control. It’s to test how fast they could role out a response to a bio weapon threat. How they could get controlled and distribution in place. It was a national security fire drill.

And you claim there’s no science that shows vaccines are worse for your heart than Covid. Then what were the scientists in Sweden, Denmark, Norway, etc claiming when they said “hey guys under 30, don’t take these”

Try to keep thinking.
Trump left the lockdowns up to the states, what a fascist.....
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
It’s more than that….they outright don’t recommend them for people under 55 unless they have severe issues or in a few other very rare cases. A big reason they paused the offering was because of a significant signal being identified with regards to heart issues. And after the pause, they stopped recommending them for many people. It’s as simple as that.


But by all means keep carrying the torch and saying this new, extremely weakened version of the virus is going to, for some weird reason, lead to an epidemic of heart problems. The very type of heart problems that the injections that were given to billions of people around the world cause.


Fidel would be proud of your service running cover for big pharma.
Or if they work in healthcare or have older family members or are pregnant.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
It’s more than that….they outright don’t recommend them for people under 55 unless they have severe issues or in a few other very rare cases. A big reason they paused the offering was because of a significant signal being identified with regards to heart issues. And after the pause, they stopped recommending them for many people. It’s as simple as that.


But by all means keep carrying the torch and saying this new, extremely weakened version of the virus is going to, for some weird reason, lead to an epidemic of heart problems. The very type of heart problems that the injections that were given to billions of people around the world cause.


Fidel would be proud of your service running cover for big pharma.
Every time people like him and Patty hear about some new variant, they suddenly feel alive and full of purpose, and then a week later, they scatter like the cockroaches they are, when it turns out to be nothing.
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I agree to a point....what could have we done to help those other reasons?
We could have fewer retards gathering, people wearing masks more, people just not being fat and unhealthy, had people spend more time outside, etc.
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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
Correct I can eat my words. I still see no recommendations for kids under 12 unless other high risk factors are involved, while my two year olds doctor tried to get me to give her a Covid shot a few months ago.
Benefits to kids are debatable and also depend on the particular environment the kid will live in, etc. Your doctor will follow what makes sense in America for the environment we live in. Most of the studies show your kid is better off vaccinated than not, but it's pretty close for people that young without other complications.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Every time people like him and Patty hear about some new variant, they suddenly feel alive and full of purpose, and then a week later, they scatter like the cockroaches they are, when it turns out to be nothing.
At no point did I say any of the things that insect or you seem to think I said.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
That's the narrative
It’s not a narrative, it’s what is happening in many advanced countries around the world. If, as you say, they decided to reduce injection recommendations for monetary reasons, then that leads us to the conclusion that the injections aren’t a good investment.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
It’s not a narrative, it’s what is happening in many advanced countries around the world. If, as you say, they decided to reduce injection offerings for monetary reasons, then that leads us to the conclusion that the injections aren’t a good investment.
It's a narrative. It's what Alex writes and you parrot.

Another interpretation could be that governments don't care much about individual citizens. With the level of immunity due to vaccinations and infections, they may feel their healthcare systems can handle future waves without being overrun. It's possible the balance sheet suggests letting it rip at this point will be less costly than continuing mass vaccinations. Although the results on individuals may not be optimal.

I think it's a short-sighted approach.

I'm glad I have access to healthcare.
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