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post 1696330913 01-13-2024, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
it's the one I linked in post #109
You posted a substack that linked to articles and changed the titles.

Your style of discussion is atypical.

I dunno if your approach is intentional or resulting from impairment.
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Originally Posted By Paul
An immune evasion mechanism with IgG4 playing an essential role in cancer and implication for immunotherapy

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32819973/
From before covid vaccines
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
From before covid and covid vaccines
I'm not sure if you are trolling or just ignorant..the paper proves a point....those who are mod-mRNA injected and *then* infected, having a total of 3 or more jabs likely to have spike-specific IgG4 elevation.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
You posted a substack that linked to articles and changed the titles.

Your style of discussion is atypical.

I dunno if your approach is intentional or resulting from impairment.
I did not change any titles, there are no edits in my posts..now you are just lying




Edit-I do like how you are scrambling between threads to try and cover for the ClotShot though..it is quite amusing.
post 1696331643 01-13-2024, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
I'm not sure if you are trolling or just ignorant..the paper proves a point....those who are mod-mRNA injected and *then* infected, having a total of 3 or more jabs likely to have spike-specific IgG4 elevation.
The paper says nothing about covid vaccines. Possibly because they didn't exist.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
The paper says nothing about covid vaccines. Possibly because they didn't exist.
I never claimed it did..those who are mod-mRNA injected and then infected, having a total of 3 or more jabs likely to have spike-specific IgG4 elevation.


"IgG4 concentration were significantly increased in cancer tissue and IgG4 concentrations increased in serum of patients with cancer."

"We further found that IgG4, regardless of its antigen specificity, inhibited the classic immune reactions"

So it does NOT matter that the IgG4 excess is spike-specific.

also..

post 1696331963 01-13-2024, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
I did not change any titles, there are no edits in my posts..now you are just lying


Edit-I do like how you are scrambling between threads to try and cover for the ClotShot though..it is quite amusing.
Sorry, friend.

You linked a substack article. Perhaps you didn't compare the titles of the hyperlinks to those of the paper to which they linked?

This is your post. The one I quoted and to which I responded:
Originally Posted By Paul
Covid vaccines change the microbiome
For quite a while

"Via very complex metabolic processes, Anaerobutyricum hallii potentially plays a role in protecting the colon from cancer by depleting food carcinogens, this one was also less abundant even after 6 months."

"Flavonifractor plautii, a bacteria that increases with green tea consumption, directly suppresses IL-17 and here we see a persistent small decrease even after 6 months."

https://hiddencomplexity.substack.co...the-microbiome
Compare the hyperlink text to the articles to which they link.

It's lulzy
post 1696332143 01-13-2024, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
I never claimed it did..those who are mod-mRNA injected and then infected, having a total of 3 or more jabs likely to have spike-specific IgG4 elevation.


"IgG4 concentration were significantly increased in cancer tissue and IgG4 concentrations increased in serum of patients with cancer."

"We further found that IgG4, regardless of its antigen specificity, inhibited the classic immune reactions"

So it does NOT matter that the IgG4 excess is spike-specific.
HIV, Malaria, and Pertussis vaccines have also been reported to induce higher-than-normal IgG4 synthesis. Are those also bad?
post 1696332163 01-13-2024, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Sorry, friend.

You linked a substack article. Perhaps you didn't compare the titles of the hyperlinks to those of the paper to which they linked?

This is your post. The one I quoted and to which I responded:
the substack article was to show of yet another cancer mechanism...that was the point
post 1696332233 01-13-2024, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
the substack article was to show of yet another cancer mechanism...that was the point
The substack article definitely demonstrates a point. I think perhaps you missed the demonstrated point
post 1696332303 01-13-2024, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
HIV, Malaria, and Pertussis vaccines have also been reported to induce higher-than-normal IgG4 synthesis. Are those also bad?
post 1696332323 01-13-2024, 02:54 PM
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This thread boils down to some ct nuts against all vaccines and jlc bending over and blindly riding big pharm's dick without question.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
The substack article definitely demonstrates a point. I think perhaps you missed the demonstrated point
The non-specific the IgG4 is really bad.
Basically a dysfunctional immune system..?
post 1696332393 01-13-2024, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
The non-specific the IgG4 is really bad.
Basically a dysfunctional immune system..?
If you, or the substack article, say so
post 1696332613 01-13-2024, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
If you, or the substack article, say so
Almost no IgG4 in unvaxxed.

post 1696332693 01-13-2024, 03:02 PM
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Persistence of SARS CoV-2 S1 Protein in CD16+ Monocytes in Post-Acute Sequelae of COVID-19 (PASC) Up to 15 Months Post-Infection
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...905v1.full.pdf
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Originally Posted By Paul
Persistence of SARS CoV-2 S1 Protein in CD16+ Monocytes in Post-Acute Sequelae of COVID-19 (PASC) Up to 15 Months Post-Infection
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...905v1.full.pdf
Monocytes are a component of the human lymphatic/immune system.
post 1696332853 01-13-2024, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Monocytes are a component of the human lymphatic/immune system.
Did you read the posted study?

"healthy controls" (vaxxed) showed spike for over a year..


post 1696333183 01-13-2024, 03:13 PM
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A must watch..

Potential Clinical Implications of Geert's Viral Shift Predictions

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Originally Posted By Paul
Did you read the posted study?

"healthy controls" (vaxxed) showed spike for over a year..
Seems odd to use vaccinated folks as the reference.
post 1696333883 01-13-2024, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Seems odd to use vaccinated folks as the reference.
You no like that study, okay..I can post all day..


IgG4 Antibodies Induced by Repeated Vaccination May Generate Immune Tolerance to the SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/11/5/991

"This supports the notion that an increase in IgG4 subclasses could lead to extended viral persistence in case of infection"
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Originally Posted By SaltyDog920⏩
This thread boils down to some ct nuts against all vaccines and jlc bending over and blindly riding big pharm's dick without question.
I’d say it’s only 1 poster that’s against all vaccines, and JLC is just doing what he always does which is troll. The thread should boil down to a clear and consistent pattern of drug companies skewing studies, hiding and/or manipulating data, pushing drugs for unauthorized uses, and lots of other activities that basically just display a prioritization of profits over health.
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Originally Posted By Paul
You no like that study, okay..I can post all day..


IgG4 Antibodies Induced by Repeated Vaccination May Generate Immune Tolerance to the SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/11/5/991

"This supports the notion that an increase in IgG4 subclasses could lead to extended viral persistence in case of infection"
I'm not arguing that point.

I agree the evidence suggests repeated vaccination, over a short time period, is associated with an increase in igg4 proportion relative to initial inoculation.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
I’d say it’s only 1 poster that’s against all vaccines, and JLC is just doing what he always does which is troll. The thread should boil down to a clear and consistent pattern of drug companies skewing studies, hiding and/or manipulating data, pushing drugs for unauthorized uses, and lots of other activities that basically just display a prioritization of profits over health.
The thread seems to suggest we should be highly skeptical of, and perhaps reject, products made by pharmaceutical companies.

I agree.


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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I'm not arguing that point.

I agree the evidence suggests repeated vaccination, over a short time period, is associated with an increase in igg4 proportion relative to initial inoculation.
short period..? The vaxed showed spike for over a year..
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Originally Posted By Paul
short period..? The vaxed showed spike for over a year..
Cool.

Read what I wrote
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Federal Judge Orders CDC to Make Public 7.8 Million V-safe Free-Text Entries Within 12 Months

I am pleased to share that United States District Judge Matthew J. Kacsmaryk has issued a decision and order requiring CDC to release the 7.8 million free-text entries from CDC’s COVID-19 V-Safe program to the public.

These are entries sent to CDC from roughly 10 million V-safe users, typically detailing injuries following receipt of a COVID-19 vaccine.


https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/v-s...l-judge-orders
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
The thread seems to suggest we should be highly skeptical of, and perhaps reject, products made by pharmaceutical companies.

I agree.


Glad we find something else that we agree on. I would say it seems weird that instead of focusing on the agreement and adding meaningful conversation, you chose to deflect and build strawmen. But that’s not really weird at all considering your post history. It’s just kind of what you do. But again, glad we agree.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Glad we find something else that we agree on. I would say it seems weird that instead of focusing on the agreement and adding meaningful conversation, you chose to deflect and build strawmen. But that’s not really weird at all considering your post history. It’s just kind of what you do. But again, glad we agree.
I hope this irony is intentional
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