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Former Head of NIH, Francis Collins, now says lab leak theory NOT a conspiracy theory
And now Francis Collins flips just like Fauci did last week. This was the same guy that shutdown lab leak and deemed it a conspiracy theory because he wanted to protect 'science and international harmony' (see email below). He also prompted Kristian Andersen and other scientists to write Proximal Origin of SARS-CoV-2 paper, which downplayed lab leak theory.
As early as February 2, 2020, we see the head of the NIH, Francis Collins, ready to bury lab leak and call it a day in order to protect science and international harmony:
Francis Collins, head of NIH, trying to SHUT IT DOWN!
Anthony Fauci's former boss admitted to Congress that the Covid lab leak theory was credible - despite previously calling it a 'very destructive conspiracy'.
Dr Francis Collins, former head of the National Institutes of Health, testified in a closed-door session with the House coronavirus subcommittee on Friday about his role during America's pandemic response.
Dr Collins was involved in suppressing the theory that Covid likely escaped from a Chinese biolab, a theory which implicated the sprawling agency he headed up. It was previously revealed that the NIH oversaw grants funding risky 'gain of function' research to make viruses more transmissible and/or deadly.
In a significant U-turn, House Republicans who led the hearing revealed that Dr Collins, 73, told them that the lab leak hypothesis was not a conspiracy theory.
His answers were similar to those of Dr Fauci, who sat for a marathon 14 hours of questioning last week when he finally acknowledged that the lab leak theory – that Covid escaped from a Chinese biolab – should not have been so easily dismissed.
Republicans also said that, like Dr Fauci, Dr Collins muddied the definition of gain of function research ‘in an effort to hide the NIH’s involvement in funding the dangerous research in Wuhan.'
Dr Collins served as Fauci's boss during his tenure as head of NIH from 2009 to 2021.
The sainted doctors are said to have pushed for the publication of an influential scientific paper that shaped the narrative that Covid originated in nature while discrediting the theory that gain of function was the cause.
The centerpiece of questioning pertained to the March 2020 ‘Proximal Origins’ paper, in which scientists said the theory that gain of function research triggered the release of a genetically modified coronavirus from the Wuhan Institute of Virology was ‘improbable.’
Ohio Republican Brad Wenstrup, who heads the Covid subcommittee in the House, said: ‘Dr. Collins acknowledged that Dr Fauci invited him to attend the infamous February 1, 2020 conference call that prompted the “Proximal Origin” publication.
In an email to the publisher of Nature Medicine, the journal which published the Proximal Origins paper, co-author Dr Kristian Andersen writes that Drs Collins and Fauci 'prompted' the paper
‘This testimony directly contradicts Dr. Fauci’s previous statements and raises further concerns about the U.S. government’s role in suppressing and vilifying the lab-leak hypothesis.’
He added that Dr Collins said the lab leak hypothesis was not a conspiracy.
Dr Collins, along with Dr Fauci, sat in on a confidential conference call four years ago, ahead of the 2020 paper’s publication, which would set the tone for the public’s perception of the pandemic’s origins for years to come.
Republicans said that both used their influence that to pressure researchers to jettison the lab leak theory in favor of a natural origin one.
Drs Fauci, Collins, and other authors of the Proximal Origins paper have denied that the top doctors strongarmed the researchers into publishing one theory over another, though bombshell emails made public last spring by Republicans showed that Dr Kristian Andersen, a co-author of the paper, wrote that ‘[This paper was] Prompted by Jeremy [Farrar], Tony Fauci and Francis Collins.'
An earlier investigation completed by House Republicans uncovered an email Dr Collins sent to Dr Fauci two months after the ‘Proximal Origins’ paper was published that said: ‘I hoped the Nature Medicine article on the genomic sequence of SA RS-CoV-2 would settle this… Wondering if there is something NIH can do to help put down this very destructive conspiracy ... Anything more we can do?’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...ed-theory.htmlDr Francis Collins, former head of the National Institutes of Health, testified in a closed-door session with the House coronavirus subcommittee on Friday about his role during America's pandemic response.
Dr Collins was involved in suppressing the theory that Covid likely escaped from a Chinese biolab, a theory which implicated the sprawling agency he headed up. It was previously revealed that the NIH oversaw grants funding risky 'gain of function' research to make viruses more transmissible and/or deadly.
In a significant U-turn, House Republicans who led the hearing revealed that Dr Collins, 73, told them that the lab leak hypothesis was not a conspiracy theory.
His answers were similar to those of Dr Fauci, who sat for a marathon 14 hours of questioning last week when he finally acknowledged that the lab leak theory – that Covid escaped from a Chinese biolab – should not have been so easily dismissed.
Republicans also said that, like Dr Fauci, Dr Collins muddied the definition of gain of function research ‘in an effort to hide the NIH’s involvement in funding the dangerous research in Wuhan.'
Dr Collins served as Fauci's boss during his tenure as head of NIH from 2009 to 2021.
The sainted doctors are said to have pushed for the publication of an influential scientific paper that shaped the narrative that Covid originated in nature while discrediting the theory that gain of function was the cause.
The centerpiece of questioning pertained to the March 2020 ‘Proximal Origins’ paper, in which scientists said the theory that gain of function research triggered the release of a genetically modified coronavirus from the Wuhan Institute of Virology was ‘improbable.’
Ohio Republican Brad Wenstrup, who heads the Covid subcommittee in the House, said: ‘Dr. Collins acknowledged that Dr Fauci invited him to attend the infamous February 1, 2020 conference call that prompted the “Proximal Origin” publication.
In an email to the publisher of Nature Medicine, the journal which published the Proximal Origins paper, co-author Dr Kristian Andersen writes that Drs Collins and Fauci 'prompted' the paper
‘This testimony directly contradicts Dr. Fauci’s previous statements and raises further concerns about the U.S. government’s role in suppressing and vilifying the lab-leak hypothesis.’
He added that Dr Collins said the lab leak hypothesis was not a conspiracy.
Dr Collins, along with Dr Fauci, sat in on a confidential conference call four years ago, ahead of the 2020 paper’s publication, which would set the tone for the public’s perception of the pandemic’s origins for years to come.
Republicans said that both used their influence that to pressure researchers to jettison the lab leak theory in favor of a natural origin one.
Drs Fauci, Collins, and other authors of the Proximal Origins paper have denied that the top doctors strongarmed the researchers into publishing one theory over another, though bombshell emails made public last spring by Republicans showed that Dr Kristian Andersen, a co-author of the paper, wrote that ‘[This paper was] Prompted by Jeremy [Farrar], Tony Fauci and Francis Collins.'
An earlier investigation completed by House Republicans uncovered an email Dr Collins sent to Dr Fauci two months after the ‘Proximal Origins’ paper was published that said: ‘I hoped the Nature Medicine article on the genomic sequence of SA RS-CoV-2 would settle this… Wondering if there is something NIH can do to help put down this very destructive conspiracy ... Anything more we can do?’
As early as February 2, 2020, we see the head of the NIH, Francis Collins, ready to bury lab leak and call it a day in order to protect science and international harmony:
Francis Collins, head of NIH, trying to SHUT IT DOWN!
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Most miscers knew this already.nothing new here.
Man man leaked virus created to be weaponized. And people still argue for the rushed vaccine never tested claiming it's safe lol
Covid is not safe either but I'd prefer to roll the dice without getting the vax betting the vax is just dubling down on an already bad hand
Man man leaked virus created to be weaponized. And people still argue for the rushed vaccine never tested claiming it's safe lol
Covid is not safe either but I'd prefer to roll the dice without getting the vax betting the vax is just dubling down on an already bad hand
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^^^ To suggest the virus leaked from a lab isn't to say the virus is weaponised or deliberately made. They are two essentially different notions.
Collins is really just suggesting that we follow the evidence wherever it leads, no matter where it leads. We've been saying the same thing to GayWithGuys77 for years and there is absolutely nothing new here.
Someone just exhorting everyone to exercise due scientific diligence =/= lab leak is now the plausible hypothesis.
There is still no tangible evidence for lab leak.
Collins is really just suggesting that we follow the evidence wherever it leads, no matter where it leads. We've been saying the same thing to GayWithGuys77 for years and there is absolutely nothing new here.
Someone just exhorting everyone to exercise due scientific diligence =/= lab leak is now the plausible hypothesis.
There is still no tangible evidence for lab leak.
Back off, Warchild.
Seriously.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
This is why you are a brain dead stupid fuсk. In early 2020, Francis Collins literally shutdown lab leak theory.Collins is really just suggesting that we follow the evidence wherever it leads, no matter where it leads. We've been saying the same thing to GayWithGuys77 for years and there is absolutely nothing new here.
Someone just exhorting everyone to exercise due scientific diligence =/= lab leak is now the plausible hypothesis.
Someone just exhorting everyone to exercise due scientific diligence =/= lab leak is now the plausible hypothesis.
And now you're trying to say he's "someone just exhorting everyone to exercise due scientific diligence."
They've been lying for 4 years, and we've been telling you this.
You are the dumbest motherfuсker to ever post on the internet.
As early as February 2, 2020, we see the head of the NIH, Francis Collins, ready to bury lab leak and call it a day in order to protect science and international harmony:
Francis Collins, head of NIH, trying to SHUT IT DOWN!
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bodhy cant even admit he was wrong on this lmao.
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4 years later
4 years after completely shutting down lab leak
4 years after lying his ass off to the entire world
Bodhy be like:
"He's someone just exhorting everyone to exercise due scientific diligence."
What a complete fuсking moron.
4 years after completely shutting down lab leak
4 years after lying his ass off to the entire world
Bodhy be like:
"He's someone just exhorting everyone to exercise due scientific diligence."
What a complete fuсking moron.
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Originally Posted By latverian41⏩
Poverty tier pseudointellectual shows up to say the most intelligent thing he's said in 17,112 posts...Most miscers knew this already.nothing new here.
Man man leaked virus created to be weaponized. And people still argue for the rushed vaccine never tested claiming it's safe lol
Covid is not safe either but I'd prefer to roll the dice without getting the vax betting the vax is just dubling down on an already bad hand
Man man leaked virus created to be weaponized. And people still argue for the rushed vaccine never tested claiming it's safe lol
Covid is not safe either but I'd prefer to roll the dice without getting the vax betting the vax is just dubling down on an already bad hand
Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
...and pseudointellectual number one shows up to basically say he knows more than the scientist being quoted - not trusting the science because it doesn't suit his original, wrong narrative^^^ To suggest the virus leaked from a lab isn't to say the virus is weaponised or deliberately made. They are two essentially different notions.
Collins is really just suggesting that we follow the evidence wherever it leads, no matter where it leads. We've been saying the same thing to GayWithGuys77 for years and there is absolutely nothing new here.
Someone just exhorting everyone to exercise due scientific diligence =/= lab leak is now the plausible hypothesis.
There is still no tangible evidence for lab leak.
Collins is really just suggesting that we follow the evidence wherever it leads, no matter where it leads. We've been saying the same thing to GayWithGuys77 for years and there is absolutely nothing new here.
Someone just exhorting everyone to exercise due scientific diligence =/= lab leak is now the plausible hypothesis.
There is still no tangible evidence for lab leak.
Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
#RektThis is why you are a brain dead stupid fuсk. In early 2020, Francis Collins literally shutdown lab leak theory.
And now you're trying to say he's "someone just exhorting everyone to exercise due scientific diligence."
They've been lying for 4 years, and we've been telling you this.
You are the dumbest motherfuсker to ever post on the internet.
As early as February 2, 2020, we see the head of the NIH, Francis Collins, ready to bury lab leak and call it a day in order to protect science and international harmony:
Francis Collins, head of NIH, trying to SHUT IT DOWN!
And now you're trying to say he's "someone just exhorting everyone to exercise due scientific diligence."
They've been lying for 4 years, and we've been telling you this.
You are the dumbest motherfuсker to ever post on the internet.
As early as February 2, 2020, we see the head of the NIH, Francis Collins, ready to bury lab leak and call it a day in order to protect science and international harmony:
Francis Collins, head of NIH, trying to SHUT IT DOWN!
Originally Posted By Mountaineer92⏩
#Rekt againbodhy cant even admit he was wrong on this lmao.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
Delusional kuntOriginally Posted By PreeFalestine⏩
Fuk off wincelIt's still less likely than natty origin.
Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
#Rekt4 years later
4 years after completely shutting down lab leak
4 years after lying his ass off to the entire world
Bodhy be like:
"He's someone just exhorting everyone to exercise due scientific diligence."
What a complete fuсking moron.
4 years after completely shutting down lab leak
4 years after lying his ass off to the entire world
Bodhy be like:
"He's someone just exhorting everyone to exercise due scientific diligence."
What a complete fuсking moron.
Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
lmfao at trusting any official government scienceAlways Trust the Science™
(even if they've been lying to you for 4 years)
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What do you know? Officials betraying the public and weaponizing the media to discredit those crying foul, and then the "trust the 'science'" bootlickers saying to stop trusting the science when it contradicts the bullschit they've been spouting like religious zealots.
Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
This is why you are a brain dead stupid fuсk. In early 2020, Francis Collins literally shutdown lab leak theory.
And now you're trying to say he's "someone just exhorting everyone to exercise due scientific diligence."
They've been lying for 4 years, and we've been telling you this.
You are the dumbest motherfuсker to ever post on the internet.
As early as February 2, 2020, we see the head of the NIH, Francis Collins, ready to bury lab leak and call it a day in order to protect science and international harmony:
Francis Collins, head of NIH, trying to SHUT IT DOWN!
And now you're trying to say he's "someone just exhorting everyone to exercise due scientific diligence."
They've been lying for 4 years, and we've been telling you this.
You are the dumbest motherfuсker to ever post on the internet.
As early as February 2, 2020, we see the head of the NIH, Francis Collins, ready to bury lab leak and call it a day in order to protect science and international harmony:
Francis Collins, head of NIH, trying to SHUT IT DOWN!
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Bodhy 2020: Lab leak is 100% conspiratardery! Is impossible! Anyone talking about it is a doodoo head!
Body 2024: I meant anyone saying it was intentionally made as a weapon only! I wins again! I declare myself the winner!
Sadly, even in debates where he can reframe his previous opinions and has the ability to declare himself the winner, still can not actually win.
Body 2024: I meant anyone saying it was intentionally made as a weapon only! I wins again! I declare myself the winner!
Sadly, even in debates where he can reframe his previous opinions and has the ability to declare himself the winner, still can not actually win.
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It clearly came from the lab. It was also almost certainly just China taking safety shortcuts (shocking concept). What we should punish China for though was trying to cover it up and allowing flights out of the county from Wuhan.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
^^^ To suggest the virus leaked from a lab isn't to say the virus is weaponised or deliberately made. They are two essentially different notions.
Collins is really just suggesting that we follow the evidence wherever it leads, no matter where it leads. We've been saying the same thing to GayWithGuys77 for years and there is absolutely nothing new here.
Someone just exhorting everyone to exercise due scientific diligence =/= lab leak is now the plausible hypothesis.
There is still no tangible evidence for lab leak.
Collins is really just suggesting that we follow the evidence wherever it leads, no matter where it leads. We've been saying the same thing to GayWithGuys77 for years and there is absolutely nothing new here.
Someone just exhorting everyone to exercise due scientific diligence =/= lab leak is now the plausible hypothesis.
There is still no tangible evidence for lab leak.
Originally Posted By PreeFalestine⏩
just when we think you 2 potatoes cant get any dumber, you potatoes go and post this gold and totally redeem yourselvesIt's still less likely than natty origin.
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Originally Posted By miscinbro⏩
even this commie gets itIt clearly came from the lab. It was also almost certainly just China taking safety shortcuts (shocking concept). What we should punish China for though was trying to cover it up and allowing flights out of the county from Wuhan.
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Originally Posted By PreeFalestine⏩
It’s China’s only bio safety level 4 lab.It is, by definition, a conspiracy theory. Not all conspiracy theories are false. But it is important to note the extreme lack of evidence here for this conspiracy. Truth is nobody knows the origin of this virus. We probably never will. Scientific consensus is that it was likely natty. It remains possible it was made in a lab. This is difficult for people to accept because you want to believe X or Y. But there frankly isn't conclusive evidence here. And there never will be.
“Biosafety level 4 (BSL-4) is the highest level of biosafety precautions, and is appropriate for work with agents that could easily be aerosol-transmitted within the laboratory and cause severe to fatal disease in humans for which there are no available vaccines or treatments. “
Now I know you love to suck China’s dick - but as someone who has spent significant time there - I promise you - lack of proper safety precautions is basically a given. There might not be 100% concrete evidence, but the coincidence is just too much. “Wet markets” exist all over the world and always have. If this was about bat soup or Randy Marsh fcking a Pangolin we would see this far more often.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
"We've been saying the same thing to gwg77 for years"^^^ To suggest the virus leaked from a lab isn't to say the virus is weaponised or deliberately made. They are two essentially different notions.
Collins is really just suggesting that we follow the evidence wherever it leads, no matter where it leads. We've been saying the same thing to GayWithGuys77 for years and there is absolutely nothing new here.
Someone just exhorting everyone to exercise due scientific diligence =/= lab leak is now the plausible hypothesis.
There is still no tangible evidence for lab leak.
Collins is really just suggesting that we follow the evidence wherever it leads, no matter where it leads. We've been saying the same thing to GayWithGuys77 for years and there is absolutely nothing new here.
Someone just exhorting everyone to exercise due scientific diligence =/= lab leak is now the plausible hypothesis.
There is still no tangible evidence for lab leak.
No you haven't. You are a liar. You've been calling lab leak a conspiracy theory since day one.
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Originally Posted By PreeFalestine⏩
In a funding application for projects diffuse, ecohealth alliance proposed creating a coronavirus with a spike protein at the furin cleavage site, with the research taking place at the WIV.The natural hypothesis does not actually blame wet markets or bat soup. That was an early claim. They know the virus was spread at a wet market, but it was likely contracted by a human being near infected bats. The virus is airborne and is not spread via consumption of food. The very reason the lab was made in Wuhan was to study SARS-CoV-1, a fact often forgotten by lab leakers. Also, if you look into the details, the kinds of research done at Wuhan had nothing to do with SARS-CoV-2. the sequence was quite novel and very different from anything seen at the Wuhan lab.I'd encourage you to reject your confirmation bias and look at what most molecular virologists say about the lab leak hypothesis. I understand there are some vocal detractors. And like I said, at the end of the day, you can't rule out a lab leak. But there are good reasons to lean toward natural origin, as illustrated in the papers published on that.
I'll also add, since you are hostile to China, that the US has also had some catastrophic leaks in its own BSL 4 labs. Glass houses...
I'll also add, since you are hostile to China, that the US has also had some catastrophic leaks in its own BSL 4 labs. Glass houses...
So they wanted money to create this exact virus at WIV and then the virus was discovered in Wuhan.........
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Originally Posted By PreeFalestine⏩
You know what China was researching there down to the molecular sequences? Fcking lmao.Also, if you look into the details, the kinds of research done at Wuhan had nothing to do with SARS-CoV-2. the sequence was quite novel and very different from anything seen at the Wuhan lab.
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Originally Posted By PreeFalestine⏩
Cause China would never lie or fail to scrupulously report? Holy fck dude.We do. We know what they publicly were. And that's why I'd encourage you to look into the details and actually talk to molecular virologists rather than miscers to shape your opinions on the matter. And while you may be able to cherrypick people like Ebright, who are very vocal detractors, there are many others who argue the opposite of what people like Ebright say.
And also be mindful of how your view of China in general may bias your evaluation of the situation.
And also be mindful of how your view of China in general may bias your evaluation of the situation.
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