Again, none of that is rooted in actual established science. Hence the history of the words themselves. If gender is not synonymous with sex, then sex reassignment surgery would not result in a different “gender”.

Yikes

Okay.

They're there if you want to read them

And so are the historical meanings of the word. The word gender in original meaning is a general term for distinction grouping, it’s the same root the word “genre” comes from (the French connection): Men and Women are humans of different GENRES, i.e. SEX, a.k.a. GENDER.


Always has & always will be synonymous, your opinions do not change facts

Things change. Especially science as our told and methods evolve over centuries.

Genres are also constructed rather than scientifically based. You're arguing against yourself again

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The article you shared is from Science Daily the word "gender" does not appear. It's about sex.

You're incorrect. But that's okay

Gay men aren't attracted to trans women/shemales. They're attracted to the male phenotype, not the female one. They're no more attracted to trans women than you are to trans men.

Lmmfao….how much more could a person possibly lack self-awareness???

You literally started the thread by calling right-wingers a bunch of immoral, self/righteous, hatemongering fascists.

Because again...gender is synonymous with sex. Giving something a new definition, especially in today's society, does not change actual facts...grammatical gender is still about categories rather than sexual organs. People who decry the sometimes illogical assignment of gender to nouns in languages should keep that in mind.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree

The whole premise of self identifying as something contrary to what you were born as is based on improper etymology.

Or refusing to accept etymology

Are you describing yourself, cause last I checked people have been attempting to repurpose the word gender since the 80s; it was never meant to describe anything social. Sex and gender are and were always synonymous. Its basic root word gene translates to “birth”, its literally shared with the word genitalia.

Think of the word Genesis, the origin or birth of something. “Male”, “female” & “intersex” are basic categorizations that aren’t meant to reflect society’s views, identity, neurological pathways, hormone levels, etc... The determining factors are genitalia and chromosomes. Accepting the premise that gender is anything other than a means to classify a persons body+genetics is what gives way to all the nonsense that usually follows.

Strong self awareness though

Etymology includes the study of how the meaning of words changes over time.

Languages and societies change over time (evolve).

That's not evolving though...that's devolving infact. The words to describe the trans neurological experiences simply don’t exist. Repurposing existing words to do the job is harmful. Unless you’re intersex theres no personal say in what classification you fall under.

I get that some people are bothered by charge. Preference for status quo or "tradition" is a primary tenet of conservatism.

Everybody's different

No problem with change, it's the misuse of words that is the issue. Again..Gender is a noun class. Languages have gender. People don’t.

Gender (noun)

male or female, especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences, rather than differences in biology; members of a particular gender as a group

- issues of class, race and gender
- traditional concepts of gender
- Levels of physical activity did not differ between genders.
- The film has something for people of all ages, genders and
backgrounds.
- gender differences/relations/roles/equality
- She examines the interplay between changing gender
divisions and urban change.
- The government is working on tackling gender inequalities
in employment.

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionari...english/gender

Quick Reference
The distinction between sex and gender is attributed to the anthropologist Margaret Mead (Sex and Temperament in Three Primitive Societies, 1935). Sex is the biological category, whereas gender is the culturally shaped expression of sexual difference: the masculine way in which men should behave and the feminine way in which women should behave. It is emphasized by de Beauvoir that in this system woman is the Other: the kind of person whose characteristics are described by contrast with the male norm. It is a central aim of much feminist thought to uncover concealed asymmetries of power in differences of gender, and to work for a society in which the polarization of gender is abolished.

https://www.oxfordreference.com/disp...11018151124466

I do not subscribe to woke definitions.



gender (n.)


c.1300, "kind, sort, class," from O.Fr. gendre (12c., Mod.Fr. genre), from stem of L. genus (gen. generis) "race, stock, family; kind, rank, order; species," also (male or female) "sex" (see genus) and used to translate Aristotle's Greek grammatical term genos. The grammatical sense is attested in English from late 14c.; the male-or-female sense from early 15c. As sex took on erotic qualities in 20c., gender came to be the common word used for "sex of a human being," often in feminist writing with reference to social attributes as much as biological qualities

I don't disagree: "kind, sort, class" and "with reference to social attributes as much as biological qualities".

It looks like current dictionaries are keeping up with the etymology of the word

Again, “change” isn’t the issue. The issue is when extremists want society to conform to their ideals, then say things like “You’re just afraid of change”. No, we are just against extremism.

We are not the problem. Extremism is the problem. This is the evil I was referring to earlier. The idea that manifests. You are helping that idea become real evil in the world.

Sure. I also think the extremism goes both ways. One side pushing the envelope of acceptance and the other pushing for "traditional values". Two extremes presented as a false dichotomy (a type of logical fallacy).

What?

How is pushing for acceptance an extreme? What is the middle ground?



I entirely agree with the criticism of conversatism for their absurd fear of structural criticism and anti-hierarchy, but I hardly see acceptance of LGBT as some sort of extreme. What is the middle ground, IYO?

Umm..I think you missed the concept lol..social attributes/ biological qualities in feminist writing; this sense first attested in 1963. Gender-bender is first attested in 1980, with reference to David Bowie, grammatical gender is still about categories rather than sexual organs.

But I gotta ask, if genitals does not define gender, how does removing them AFFIRM IT?

I don't mean acceptance in general, I mean the provocative extremes. Some of the pics posted here regularly are examples of pushing extremes.

But on the other extreme are those who want to ban things they don't like or restrict people's freedom and opportunity based on religion, gender and/or sex ("traditional values").

I'm no expert on transgenderism, but I assume it's called that because it aligns physical appearance with one's identified gender.

So biology affirms gender now?

Just lol

Teaching kids not to hate and to accept the LGBT community isn't an extreme at all, though. That's an admirable thing.


I think the dressing up in drag and waving dicks around in kids faces.....is actually a ruse. I think those are the MAP paedophiles portraying themselves as LGBT as a trojan horse, or conservatives who hate LGBT and want to mimic them to demonise them.


LGBT don't want anything to do with either faction. At any rate, I can't see LGBT acceptance being taught to people as some sort of extreme.