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Thread: Is this paedo-panic just the Satanic panic all over again?

post 1698739783 03-04-2024, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Yes

That is my point.

Gender affecting care helps many prior with gender dysphoria.

It is usually the first, and often only, medical treatment.

Kinda cool that you changed your view. Props for having an open mind
Didn’t change my view at all lol, giving kids drugs to alter their moods is not the solution,& certainly should be considered the reality of it when claiming “gender change operations lower depression & rates of suicide”, nor affirming operations that alter their physical & mental well being.

Weird flex though. Not surprised in the least coming from a Pharma shill like you I guess.

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Originally Posted By Paul
Didn’t change my view at all lol, giving kids drugs to alter their moods is not the solution, nor affirming operations that alter their physical & mental well being.

Weird flex though. Not surprised in the least coming from a Pharma shill like you I guess.

Oh.

You shared and quoted a study that found benefit from hormone therapy.
post 1698739983 03-04-2024, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Still, the majority of the literature posted in this thread supports the position Paul just took
That giving children hormone Thearpy alters their moods & thus proving it is not the result of any operation being performed of a lower incidence of suicide?

Messing with a child’s hormones unnecessarily & in reckless form is never the solution.

Good try though.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Oh.

You shared and quoted a study that found benefit from hormone therapy.
Beneficial in artificially changing mood..I would not consider that effective…sucks when that hormone Thearpy stops years down the line and you are left with a depressed suicidal individual.
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Originally Posted By Paul
That giving children hormone Thearpy alters their moods & thus proving it is not the result of any operation being performed of a lower incidence of suicide?

Messing with a child’s hormones unnecessarily & in reckless form is never the solution.

Good try though.
I think only ~10% of people with gender dysphoria pursue surgery..

Is the fear that men who surgically transition to women are molesting children? That they're making it look cool to "recruit" children to also have surgery?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I think only ~10% of people with gender dysphoria pursue surgery.
So pump the rest full of drugs? That’s your solution?
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Originally Posted By Paul
Beneficial in artificially changing mood..I would not consider that effective…sucks when that hormone Thearpy stops years down the line and you are left with a depressed suicidal individual.
Yeah. Hormone therapy is lifelong. As a fella on TRT, I assume you're aware.

Test for me, but not for thee?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Yeah. Hormone therapy is lifelong. As a fella on TRT, I assume you're aware.
I cycle 5 months on & 5 months off, 20mg a month..

So you advocate for life long drug use?
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Originally Posted By Paul
I cycle 5 months on & 5 months off, 20mg a month..

So you advocate for life long drug use?
I don't advocate for anything.

But, based on the literature shared in this thread, it seems mental health outcomes are better in those with gender dysphoria who receive gender affirming care than in those who do not.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I don't advocate for anything.

But, it sure seems like mental health outcomes are better in those with gender dysphoria who receive gender affirming care than in those who do not.
So life long drug use is the way to go?

Cool, glad you established that.

ITT we have confirmed that

-It is not the actual gender change operation that lowers depression and rates of suicide, but rather hormone therapy

-In order to mitigate mood and suicidal tendencies, people need to stay on drugs their entire lives, and if they choose to get off drugs, that depression and incidence of suicide doubles compared to general pop.
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Originally Posted By Paul
So life long drug use is the way to go?

Cool, glad you established that.

ITT we have confirmed that

-It is not the actual gender change operation that lowers depression and rates of suicide, but rather hormone therapy

-In order to mitigate mood and suicidal tendencies, people need to stay on drugs their entire lives, and if they choose to get off drugs, that depression and incidence of suicide doubles compared to general pop.
I dunno why you're making it about surgery when a small minority of trans people make that decision.

Gender affirming care is an umbrella term.

I'm not sure how you're inferring independent effects of combined treatments and therapies without an appropriate study or casual analysis of observed data.

When you cycle off the same drugs, do you notice an increase in suicidal thoughts? Have you considered therapy/counseling?
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-It was the narrative ITT that "gender change operation" was necessary to lower depression and suicide..that is an unsubstantiated claim

-"Gender Surviving" care has shown to be quite profitable it seems

-No, I've never had suicidal thoughts, I get a bit more agitated, less horny, but that tappers off in a month or so. I take and do things that naturally raise test when I cycle off as I do not want to be dependent
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Only a leftist would be okay with giving drugs to a child thst will permanently **** them up......
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
The argument is related to suicide rates those with gender dysphoria.
So without these drugs, kids will kill themselves???

Is that what happened for thousands of years until recently?
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Originally Posted By Paul
-It was the narrative ITT that "gender change operation" was necessary to lower depression and suicide..that is an unsubstantiated claim

-"Gender Surviving" care has shown to be quite profitable it seems

-No, I've never had suicidal thoughts, I get a bit more agitated, less horny, but that tappers off in a month or so. I take and do things that naturally raise test when I cycle off as I do not want to be dependent
By whom?

The thread was actually about p3dophilia and the current focus on it as a major societal concern.

The conflation of gender dysphoria and p3dophilia was done by others, not me.

I dunno how noticeable 20mg a month would be, but glad to hear it's working for you. Odd that you don't think others should have access to the same things you take, but everybody's different.

If you don't get suicidal upon cessation, why would others? Is it possible the causal path is more complicated than a single factor?
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Only a leftist would be okay with giving drugs to a child thst will permanently **** them up......
Need to affirm their feelings, and pump them full of drugs to artificially alter those feelings...what a fuked situation they have created
post 1698741193 03-04-2024, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
By whom?

The thread was actually about p3dophilia and the current focus on it as a major societal concern.

The conflation of gender dysphoria and p3dophilia was done by others, not me.

I dunno how noticeable 20mg a month would be, but glad to hear it's working for you. Odd that you don't think others should have access to the same things you take, but everybody's different
to the last part..I'm an adult with a fully developed mind and body..not a child. I did not start test till I was 43 yrs old and a very low dose to this day... somehow that's a bit different than giving high amounts to a teenager that isn't anywhere near to being fully developed..weird you would think the two are comparable
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Originally Posted By Paul
Need to affirm their feelings, and pump them full of drugs to artificially alter those feelings...what a fuked situation they have created
Well, big pharma gets a customer for life. Gotta make that money.
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"A practical target for hormone therapy for transgender men (FTM) is to increase testosterone levels to the normal male physiological range (300–1000 ng/dl) by administering testosterone."

"A practical target for hormone therapy for transgender women (MTF) is to decrease testosterone levels to the normal female range (30–100 ng/dl) without supra- physiological levels of estradiol (<200 pg/ml) by administering an antiandrogen and estrogen."


https://www.bumc.bu.edu/endo/clinics...ne/guidelines/


I don't think those levels would require anyone to be "pumped full of drugs".
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Well, big pharma gets a customer for life. Gotta make that money.
What are your thoughts on TRT?

Paul is lining big pharma's pockets, too
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
"A practical target for hormone therapy for transgender men (FTM) is to increase testosterone levels to the normal male physiological range (300–1000 ng/dl) by administering testosterone."

"A practical target for hormone therapy for transgender women (MTF) is to decrease testosterone levels to the normal female range (30–100 ng/dl) without supra- physiological levels of estradiol (<200 pg/ml) by administering an antiandrogen and estrogen."


https://www.bumc.bu.edu/endo/clinics...ne/guidelines/


I don't think those levels would require anyone to be "pumped full of drugs".
From your link..

Hormone regimes for transgender men (female to men, FTM)

1. Oral

Testosterone undecanoate* 160–240mg/day
2. Parenterally (i.m. or subcutaneous)

Testosterone enanthate or cypionate 50–200mg/week or 100–200mg/2 weeks
Testosterone undecanoate 1000 mg/12 weeks


Transdermal

Testosterone 1% gel 2.5 – 10 g/day
Testosterone patch 2.5 – 7.5 mg/day


240mg a fukin day is not pumped full of drugs??

Notsurifsrs????
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Originally Posted By Paul
to the last part..I'm an adult with a fully developed mind and body..not a child. I did not start test till I was 43 yrs old and a very low dose to this day... somehow that's a bit different than giving high amounts to a teenager that isn't anywhere near to being fully developed..weird you would think the two are comparable
Why the focus on children?

The argument was that trans folks are all p3dophiles, especially MTF people (who either likely revive estrogen).

Is the idea that trans children are p3dos? Are child p3dos a thing?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
What are your thoughts on TRT?

Paul is lining big pharma's pockets, too
Again, I'm over 40 yrs old (45)..not a child..are you trying to compare the two
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Originally Posted By GroriousReader⏩
In a sense, most of the bodybuilders here are very similar to trannies. They are unhappy with their bodies and take hormones to fix them.
taking 20 mg a moth at 45 you think is altering my body? LOOOL

Trannies are being prescribed 240mg a DAY dum dum
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Originally Posted By Paul
From your link..

Hormone regimes for transgender men (female to men, FTM)

1. Oral

Testosterone undecanoate* 160–240mg/day
2. Parenterally (i.m. or subcutaneous)

Testosterone enanthate or cypionate 50–200mg/week or 100–200mg/2 weeks
Testosterone undecanoate 1000 mg/12 weeks


Transdermal

Testosterone 1% gel 2.5 – 10 g/day
Testosterone patch 2.5 – 7.5 mg/day


240mg a fukin day is not pumped full of drugs??

Notsurifsrs????
Look at the ester and how the doses differ by ester and administration route.

The asterisk on the oral dose with which you're concerned indicates it's not available in the US.
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Originally Posted By GroriousReader⏩
lmao u identify as a healthy male
no, I eat like chit, don't do cardio, I'm just lean because everyone in my family is dum dum
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PK is on gear and he looks like he stars in gay twink porn? You're doing it wrong, PK.
Back off, Warchild.

Seriously.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Look at the ester and how the doses differ by ester and administration route.
"Testosterone 1% gel 2.5 – 10 g/day"

I use a gel too..is that different somehow as well??
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
PK is on gear and he looks like he stars in gay twink porn? You're doing it wrong, PK.
Tell me your ghey without telling me your ghey..

Imagine thinking in your head about another dude and gay twink.

Just lol. You just outed yourself dum dum



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Originally Posted By Paul
"Testosterone 1% gel 2.5 – 10 g/day"

I use a gel too..is that different somehow as well??
Yes. Gel, oral, and injection are all different and have quite different typical dosages.
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