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Thread: Trust the Science: Intermittent fasting linked to higher risk of cardiovascular death

post 1699437693 03-19-2024, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
Dude, what? I'm sorry, you are Johnny On The Spot to shoot down and crush any, and every, study that even hints at the vaccines being ineffective or dangerous... but here, this study which just screams bullchit and horrible, you're unsure of? No control groups, observational, limited timeframe, etc?? How could it even be worse is the question.

(note: do not fret, you can still do IF even if you are vaccinated, they are not mutually exclusive)
Just a reminder, you’re taking to someone who spent basically the entire “red meat leads to diabetes” thread deflecting, arguing semantics, and just generally trolling(as always) before finally admitting that he thought the study was terrible. He has no desire to engage in meaningful discussion, only to troll posters. This is blatantly obvious at this point.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Should a pregnant woman fast?

And you're claiming that going without food and water, when it's hot as **** outside, is beneficial?

Would you want a surgeon to operate on you, who hasn't eaten, or drank any water for 8 hrs?
I've never dry fasted (fast w/ no water) and do not advocate fasting for children or pregnant women. However, beyond that? Yes. Anyone who isn't recently rescued from a desert island can benefit from an occasional fast.
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Bad news for IFcels, if true!

Feels good having common sense. I was never quite sold on the idea of routinely starving myself for optimal health.
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One would think humans evolved with intermittent fasting by necessity. Wake up and go hunt for food all day, finally get some...eat and go to bed and do it over again tomorrow.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
I've never dry fasted (fast w/ no water) and do not advocate fasting for children or pregnant women. However, beyond that? Yes. Anyone who isn't recently rescued from a desert island can benefit from an occasional fast.
How is not eating, especially if you're active, beneficial???
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
How is not eating, especially if you're active, beneficial???
https://link.springer.com/article/10...892-017-0951-7

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...1002/oby.22065
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i utilize IF sometimes. Now in my opinion I don't think it provides any significant benefits aside from being easier to calorie restrict and make cutting a bit more palatable. And the idea of a set sort of schedule when you eat and you can eat a bigger meal aside from more frequent smaller meals.

Maybe it does provide some additional benefits to the body at the hormonal and cellular level, maybe not. I don't think it's anything special but one of those things where if it works better for you and your lifestyle why not?

What isn't linked to cardiovascular death really?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
https://link.springer.com/article/10...892-017-0951-7

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...1002/oby.22065
I can find articles, showing the benefits of an atkins/carnivore diet. You would still believe red meat leads to diabetes......

Anyway, I'd rather stick with eating my three meals, with a protein drink in between those meals. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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Originally Posted By sooby⏩
i utilize IF sometimes. Now in my opinion I don't think it provides any significant benefits aside from being easier to calorie restrict and make cutting a bit more palatable. And the idea of a set sort of schedule when you eat and you can eat a bigger meal aside from more frequent smaller meals.

Maybe it does provide some additional benefits to the body at the hormonal and cellular level, maybe not. I don't think it's anything special but one of those things where if it works better for you and your lifestyle why not?

What isn't linked to cardiovascular death really?
I can't imagine how it's beneficial to starve yourself and gourge yourself before going to bed.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
I can find articles, showing the benefits of an atkins/carnivore diet. You would still believe red meat leads to diabetes......

Anyway, I'd rather stick with eating my three meals, with a protein drink in between those meals. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I'm doing keto on an IF schedule. Different strokes for different folks
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I'm doing keto on an IF schedule. Different strokes for different folks
I'm sure you are......
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
I can't imagine how it's beneficial to starve yourself and gourge yourself before going to bed.
Hey man, I realize that when you don't go longer than 60 minutes without food that it would seem like not eating for 20 hours would be starvation, but it's not, son.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
How is not eating, especially if you're active, beneficial???
Autoph@gy?

Btw, so you said you eat 3/day and snack twice, so eating 5 times daily. Nothing necessarily wrong or right with that. Eating good food makes a far bigger impact. Someone breaking a fast w/ ultra-processed foods, sugar, alcohol, that's not healthy.

Fasting is beneficial, though. Our bodies are pretty binary in that they are either catabolic or anabolic. Both are important and with optimal health, you'll be in both throughout. The problem with Western diets and habits is the balance, we eat often, we eat the wrong things and the balance has shifted, we're too often anabolic (growth), which isn't just muscle and in fact is mostly just storing more and more fat.

Important things happen while we're catabolic, though, and if that balance is out of whack, you're missing out on a lot of important things. Recycling old cells, potentially cancerous ones, and general cellular repair.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
Autoph@gy?

Btw, so you said you eat 3/day and snack twice, so eating 5 times daily. Nothing necessarily wrong or right with that. Eating good food makes a far bigger impact. Someone breaking a fast w/ ultra-processed foods, sugar, alcohol, that's not healthy.

Fasting is beneficial, though. Our bodies are pretty binary in that they are either catabolic or anabolic. Both are important and with optimal health, you'll be in both throughout. The problem with Western diets and habits is the balance, we eat often, we eat the wrong things and the balance has shifted, we're too often anabolic (growth), which isn't just muscle and in fact is mostly just storing more and more fat.

Important things happen while we're catabolic, though, and if that balance is out of whack, you're missing out on a lot of important things. Recycling old cells, potentially cancerous ones, and general cellular repair.
Except I'm not eating **** foods.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Except I'm not eating **** foods.
No need to be defensive, I didn't think you were. Just trying to explain the benefits of fasting, you seemed somewhat dogmatic and incredulous about it, but there actually is quite a lot of hard science behind it (and, not "trust the science" big pharm funded studies promoting some wonder drug -- nobody makes any money if people decide to skip a meal or two throughout the day).

Eating good foods is the most important decision you can make. Then, it's up to you. You're a cop? Not sure what kind, fasting might not make sense for a beat cop who may need a burst of explosive energy with their or someone else's life on the line. You really want carbs in your system for that. For most other people, though? Even a detective, while fasting your body is blasting you with adrenaline. My perception and awareness tends to be heightened.
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MSM is just straight up propaganda at this point... all of it
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Originally Posted By Procta⏩
MSM is just straight up propaganda at this point... all of it
I think this is the major takeaway from this thread.
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post 1699465003 03-20-2024, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Except I'm not eating **** foods.
Don't you eat double steak Chipotle bowls every day?

And NBC simply reported on this, while pointing out the flaws of the study. I think it's pretty fair.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
There aren't enough details to form an opinion on the study. Conference abstracts can have tight word limits, so that not a big deal. But, putting out a press release without key info is pretty silly.
Please explain the mechanism that leads to cardiovascular death by eating less..

FFS..

Yes humans have evolved over the years to eat 6 meals a day and if we dont eat every 2 hours we will die of the same causes as if we eat too much food. The fact that people can look at these "studies" and not instantly dismiss them is a mystery.
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Originally Posted By ThePD⏩
Please explain the mechanism that leads to cardiovascular death by eating less..

FFS..

Yes humans have evolved over the years to eat 6 meals a day and if we dont eat every 2 hours we will die of the same causes as if we eat too much food. The fact that people can look at these "studies" and not instantly dismiss them is a mystery.
Dunno what the authors hypothesized. All that's available is a conference abstract.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
I can't imagine how it's beneficial to starve yourself and gourge yourself before going to bed.
going 12-16 hours without food isn't starving yourself and eating a bigger meal isn't gorging yourself. you're taking extremes and I'm not sure why you are so insistent that there isn't a benefit to IF and that 3-4 regular meals a day is THE way. says who and where? This is not how humans have historically eaten through out history and where's the evidence that it is the best way?
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Originally Posted By sooby⏩
going 12-16 hours without food isn't starving yourself and eating a bigger meal isn't gorging yourself. you're taking extremes and I'm not sure why you are so insistent that there isn't a benefit to IF and that 3-4 regular meals a day is THE way. says who and where? This is not how humans have historically eaten through out history and where's the evidence that it is the best way?
Yes! It really isn't.....so you have dinner at 6pm and don't eat until noon the next day. There is your 18 hrs of "fasting". You cant skip fvking breakfast?

Hell I do Carnivore/OMAD 98% of the time and only eat at the end of the day just because. Not even hungry most of the time. Ill go weeks of eating 1000-1200 calories just because I have no want to eat.

But yes, tell us how its natural to have to eat every 2 hours or you'll die...im sure we evolved that way...we are just getting fatter, and having a lower life expectancy because its the right way to eat and fasting is bad.

Trust the science crowd is jealous when you have a couple brain cells to rub together.
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Originally Posted By MinisterOfLust⏩
Andrew Huberman is on suicide watch

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No..they aren't.. Luckily they aren't retarted...
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Originally Posted By ThePD⏩
No..they aren't.. Luckily they aren't retarted...
It's not a healthy way to lose weight
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Originally Posted By MinisterOfLust⏩
It's not a healthy way to lose weight
While it is, most people who fast aren't doing it for that reason or at the least not that reason alone.
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Originally Posted By MinisterOfLust⏩
It's not a healthy way to lose weight
Who says its anything to do with losing weight? Its a great tool to utilize to help you if you want to lose, but you can easily get enough calories in to maintain and healthy weight or gain if thats your goal.
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Originally Posted By ThePD⏩
Who says its anything to do with losing weight? Its a great tool to utilize to help you if you want to lose, but you can easily get enough calories in to maintain and healthy weight or gain if thats your goal.
In realness, and I'm not even going to get mad with MOL over his gross ignorance over fasting -- because he's not alone, so many people jump to assumptions about it without knowing, but I think it is a powerful tool for someone morbidly or very obese.

Not so much for the fat lost, although they'll lose fat, but some 400lb person probably isn't going to fast-away 150-250lbs of fat (although, it's happened once - some Scotish guy in the 1900s did just that, fasted for over a year, went 400-->180 and maintained that weight after).

What I think it's very powerful in is resetting hormonal or metabolic problems. Many of us are familiar with insulin resistance (eat too much sugar, too much insulin, body begins to adapt to it, takes more and more insulin to get a response, eventually type 2 diabetes) and it can help bring that to balance. Also with other hormones beyond insulin, such as ghrelin or leptin, hormones that regulate hunger and satiety.

Did many of you know fat people often are leptin resistant? Meaning, they eat and stuff themselves, they are producing leptin (which makes you feel full) but they are resistant - so it's not working, they don't feel full and they overeat, which like insulin is a spiral, the more they overeat they more they get resistance to it, the more resistant the more they overeat, etc, etc... Ever watch a fatty eat and think they're just a pig? Well, not really, a lot of that is just they are hormonally out of whack.

Even a brief 4-5 day fast can help bring all those levels down closer to normal. Maybe not fix a deeply rooted problem, one that someone might have spent years with bad habits forming, but it can help bring it back to normal levels. More fasting, either longer or shorter ones with more frequency, you can undo a lot of damage given enough time.

To me, that is the main benefit a fatty might have with fasting, to push themselves to getting a fresh start and being able to maintain some diet of better food without dying or always feeling like they're starving, even after eating.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
Intermittent fasting linked to higher risk of cardiovascular death, research suggests
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heart...ath-rcna143853



Please, The Science begs of you, please, you must eat. Eat constantly, do it for health. Do it for The Science.

Btw, I haven't even read the study yet but I can assure you it took 0 account for lifestyle (smoking, alcohol) or other habits. We'll see though
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