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post 1699723913 03-26-2024, 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
You said you will wait for actual doctors to weigh in instead of "journalists with an agenda", then proceeded to link a "fact check" article from a "Transgender Journalist reporting on LGBTQ+ legislation, news, and life every day."

At least your username to post content correlation is on point.
Lmao…you should definitely read it though. It’s a great way to start your day with some laughs.
post 1699723963 03-26-2024, 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Lold at “right-wing activist” and “anti-trans” labels getting immediately thrown around. I’ll look over it, but the bias is already BLATANTLY apparent within the first few lines.




Also…lold at this being the first deboonking they list





Omg, they said many of the people who signed it are healthcare professionals, but we found a significant chunk are not healthcare professionals at all!!. BUSTED!!



I’ll continue reading, but that is a perfect example of the hilariously biased “fact-checking” that is so prominent these days. Hopefully the rest is just as funny. Thanks for sharing!
Yeah there seemed to be more substantial stuff further down like studies contradicting some things. The author of the article is biased and lay so it isn't worth much, but the studies are legit. Like I said, I'd rather see what the medical community as a whole says.
post 1699724133 03-26-2024, 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted By uneducated⏩
I said I'd wait to form an opinion. I linked you all something you might be interested in if you care about truth since they claim to rebut what he linked. Don't take it personally.
So you countered a "journalist with an agenda", by linking a "fact check article" written by a "journalist with a clear agenda" in the opposite direction, and you are gaslighting people to "care about the truth".

Just LOL @ pseudointellectuals srs.

post 1699724173 03-26-2024, 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
So you countered a "journalist with an agenda", by linking a "fact check article" written by a "journalist with a clear agenda" in the opposite direction, and are gaslighting people to "care about the truth".

Just LOL @ pseudointellectuals srs.

I didn't counter anything. I linked an opposing view I found for anyone who cares.
post 1699724303 03-26-2024, 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted By uneducated⏩
Nope. I've seen climate advocates also misunderstand the science too. It bothers me when people forget these are atmospheric physics questions. They aren't about feelings.

Regarding the trans chit, I realize some of those emails make things look bad, but to ultimately determine whether gender affirming care works, you need a lot more data. Most of the studies I have seen suggest it is working better, on average, than not. But I'm not a reproductive medicine doctor so I will defer to their rebuttal, if they make one.

Here is a lay rebuttal I found that at least links some studies contradicting some of the claims presented in your post.

https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/f...dRedirect=true
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post 1699724403 03-26-2024, 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted By uneducated⏩
I didn't counter anything. I linked an opposing view I found for anyone who cares.
You linked an opposing view from a "journalist with an agenda", after you said you will wait for actual doctors to weigh in, on the previous page of this thread.

I guess as long as the journalist has the same agenda as you do, you don't need to wait for those actual doctors.

post 1699724443 03-26-2024, 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
You linked an opposing view from a "journalist with an agenda", after you said you will wait for actual doctors to weigh in, on the previous page of this thread.

I guess as long as the journalist has the same agenda as you do, you don't need to wait for those actual doctors.

I said I'd wait to form an opinion, not to link alternate views. My personal view is to go with whatever has the best scientific evidence.
post 1699724613 03-26-2024, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted By uneducated⏩
I said I'd wait to form an opinion, not to link alternate views. My personal view is to go with whatever has the best scientific evidence.
Nope.

" I'll wait and see how actual doctors address this rather than some journalist with an agenda."

I guess as long as the journalist has the same agenda as you do, you don't need to wait for those actual doctors.

Or maybe you think that the "journalist with an agenda" has the best scientific evidence.

post 1699724823 03-26-2024, 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Nope.
Well ok then.
post 1699724963 03-26-2024, 05:32 AM
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I still think there should be repercussions for those administering treatment without consent
post 1699725063 03-26-2024, 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I still think there should be repercussions guy those administration treatment without consent
Drunk already?

It's too early for that.



Edit : Just LOL at the ghost edit above.
post 1699725153 03-26-2024, 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I still think there should be repercussions for those administering treatment without consent
Absolutely.
post 1699725163 03-26-2024, 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted By uneducated⏩
Yeah there seemed to be more substantial stuff further down like studies contradicting some things. The author of the article is biased and lay so it isn't worth much, but the studies are legit. Like I said, I'd rather see what the medical community as a whole says.
How about this medical community:


https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/13/u...ldren-intl-gbr



England’s National Health Service (NHS) has stopped prescribing puberty blockers for children and young people with gender dysphoria or gender incongruence,

NHS England said it made the decision, which was widely condemned by LGBTQ groups, after it “carefully considered” an evidence review it commissioned in 2020. It also reviewed evidence published since then, it said in a policy document published Tuesday.

Puberty blockers will now only be available to young people in clinical research trials and some private clinics, UK’s PA Media reported Tuesday. Fewer than 100 young people are currently on puberty blockers via the NHS and they will be able to continue the treatment, it added.
post 1699725243 03-26-2024, 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
How about this medical community:


https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/13/u...ldren-intl-gbr



England’s National Health Service (NHS) has stopped prescribing puberty blockers for children and young people with gender dysphoria or gender incongruence,

NHS England said it made the decision, which was widely condemned by LGBTQ groups, after it “carefully considered” an evidence review it commissioned in 2020. It also reviewed evidence published since then, it said in a policy document published Tuesday.

Puberty blockers will now only be available to young people in clinical research trials and some private clinics, UK’s PA Media reported Tuesday. Fewer than 100 young people are currently on puberty blockers via the NHS and they will be able to continue the treatment, it added.
Yeah that certainly weighs in. But American standards have been different from British ones. I'd like to see what they think.
post 1699725323 03-26-2024, 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted By uneducated⏩
Yeah that certainly weighs in. But American standards have been different from British ones. I'd like to see what they think.
The British healthcare system is more in line with what you think we should move to, correct? They are less likely to be corrupted by drug companies and other profitable entities. And that’s a big reason they don’t tell people to boost their babies with yearly mRNA injections.
post 1699725403 03-26-2024, 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
The British healthcare system is more in line with what you think we should move to, correct? They are less likely to be corrupted by drug companies and other profitable entities. And that’s a big reason they don’t tell people to boost their babies with yearly mRNA injections.
Yeah, but the best doctors and scientists on the planet are here in America so that doesn't mean the NHS' evaluation is the final word.
post 1699725593 03-26-2024, 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
How about this medical community:


https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/13/u...ldren-intl-gbr



England’s National Health Service (NHS) has stopped prescribing puberty blockers for children and young people with gender dysphoria or gender incongruence,

NHS England said it made the decision, which was widely condemned by LGBTQ groups, after it “carefully considered” an evidence review it commissioned in 2020. It also reviewed evidence published since then, it said in a policy document published Tuesday.

Puberty blockers will now only be available to young people in clinical research trials and some private clinics, UK’s PA Media reported Tuesday. Fewer than 100 young people are currently on puberty blockers via the NHS and they will be able to continue the treatment, it added.
Fewer than 100?
post 1699725613 03-26-2024, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
The British healthcare system is more in line with what you think we should move to, correct? They are less likely to be corrupted by drug companies and other profitable entities. And that’s a big reason they don’t tell people to boost their babies with yearly mRNA injections.
Do you think costs weigh in to decisions for a publicly funded system?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Are the professionals who are not obtaining consent inexperienced and/or untrained?

This should end up being a huge case!
It is.....probably a good reason UK and other countries are starting to ban it.
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Originally Posted By ThePD⏩
It is.....probably a good reason UK and other countries are starting to ban it.
They should also crack down, immediately, on untrained people administering any kind of care. No regulatory colleges needed, that's just criminal.
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Originally Posted By ThePD⏩
It is.....probably a good reason UK and other countries are starting to ban it.
They understand this, but are just reluctant to move from their previously stated position(as everyone is, though some are more reluctant than others…and there are good habits people should employ to maintain an open mind that is able to change to a more sound position).


The fact that we even got to this point(hormones and gender mutilation for kids and teens) is absolutely absurd, but I am somewhat optimistic that at least there seems to be a move away from that approach. Others will catch up eventually, they just need to do so in their own time. I mean, we’re talking about someone who spent three years claiming that omicron is as severe as the delta variant(and ftr not taking about Wincel there because he is more open-minded and reasonable than that).
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So the new motto is to trust the experts, just not the experts throughout the rest of the world?
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
So the new motto is to trust the experts, just not the experts throughout the rest of the world?
I think professionals should be held to the existing regulatory standards.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
So the new motto is to trust the experts, just not the experts throughout the rest of the world?
Basically….but a more accurate motto would be “trust the experts that I agree with”.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Basically….but a more accurate motto would be “trust the experts that I agree with”.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I think professionals should be held to the existing regulatory standards.
Strong words from the one saying the CDC was wrong a couple of weeks ago.
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
Strong words from the one saying the CDC was wrong a couple of weeks ago.
Why/how so?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
They should also crack down, immediately, on untrained people administering any kind of care. No regulatory colleges needed, that's just criminal.
So like on people like yourself, who claimed to have been administering covid vaccines with only "hands on" training and being completely unaware of the manufacturer's fact sheet which includes information about how to administer said vaccines?

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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
So like on people like yourself, who claimed to have been administering covid vaccines with only "hands on" training and being completely unaware of the manufacturer's fact sheet which includes information about how to administer said vaccines?

No, not really.

JTaylor claimed people administering GAC are "winging it" and not obtaining consent.
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Originally Posted By uneducated⏩
Regarding the trans chit, I realize some of those emails make things look bad, but to ultimately determine whether gender affirming care works, you need a lot more data. Most of the studies I have seensuggest it is working better, on average, than not. But I'm not a reproductive medicine doctor
LMFAOLMFAO

No **** you're not a "reproductivemedicine doctor", because if you were, you'd know that destroying your hormonal system and mutilating your genitalia would be antithetical to genetic reproduction. You also don't need to be any kind of doctor to know that.

You absolute ****ing moron.
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