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post 1700469063 04-29-2024, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted By dmike100⏩
What do you want to bet that there is a provision in the agreement that will allow the US to "forgive" that loan?

The current admin is the one our founders warned us against, totally corrupt and compromised.
There is. If Ukraine loses, it will be forgiven.
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Originally Posted By Xtermin8fascist⏩
It's not about money, even though many stand to profit off this. It's to weaken Russia's military and kill Russian soldiers. It's the continuation of a cold war. It is because of a fundamental disagreement on the vision for a world order and the role of the great powers that comprise it. In very abstract terms, it is about whether America will continue its liberal hegemony or not.
We can forgive the US for not immediately arming Ukraine after a revolution and a history of corruption in the country.

The situation is different now. Zelensky seems like a great leader who isn't in it for just profit and for him to become President shows democracy is working when it's often tyrants taking over. He's a great wartime President and it's what Ukraine needs right now.

People rag on Biden for being old, but old Presidents know WTF they're doing. They've been there and done that, they've dealt with manlet tyrant wannabes like Putin and Kim, they know what works and what doesn't.

It's not just being old. Trump is old and didn't know what he was doing. But after a lifetime of politics, being old is an advantage.
Back off, Warchild.

Seriously.
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
It was sarcasm that meant you're a homebound drain on society who can't function in life.
wdym by drain on society?
post 1700469183 04-29-2024, 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted By GhostofCricket⏩
wdym by drain on society?
He means people who are a net negative for society.

Like yourself.

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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
We can forgive the US for not immediately arming Ukraine after a revolution and a history of corruption in the country.

The situation is different now. Zelensky seems like a great leader who isn't in it for just profit and for him to become President shows democracy is working when it's often tyrants taking over. He's a great wartime President and it's what Ukraine needs right now.

People rag on Biden for being old, but old Presidents know WTF they're doing. They've been there and done that, they've dealt with manlet tyrant wannabes like Putin and Kim, they know what works and what doesn't.

It's not just being old. Trump is old and didn't know what he was doing. But after a lifetime of politics, being old is an advantage.
Zelensky may look like a saint compared to Putin, but he is still a tyrant and not behaving like a democratic leader. He tortures and kills opposition. And the fundamental cause of Ukraine's division has not been resolved. The unjust language laws and neonazi elements within Ukraine's military forces still persist. The country's nationalism is forcing a strong divide between the East and West. And that would persist even if Ukraine managed to push Russia out.

It will not a stable state, even on the long shot that Ukraine pushes Russia back. They needed to federalize. And for lasting stability, Ukraine and Russia must reach some kind of agreement.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
We can forgive the US for not immediately arming Ukraine after a revolution and a history of corruption in the country.

The situation is different now.Zelensky seems like a great leader who isn't in it for just profitand for him to become President shows democracy is working when it's often tyrants taking over. He's a great wartime President and it's what Ukraine needs right now.

People rag on Biden for being old, but old Presidents know WTF they're doing. They've been there and done that, they've dealt with manlet tyrant wannabes like Putin and Kim, they know what works and what doesn't.

It's not just being old. Trump is old and didn't know what he was doing. But after a lifetime of politics, being old is an advantage.
The state of academia these days.

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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
He means people who are a net negative for society.

Like yourself.

wdym by net negative for society?
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
We can forgive the US for not immediately arming Ukraine after a revolution and a history of corruption in the country.

The situation is different now. Zelensky seems like a great leader who isn't in it for just profit and for him to become President shows democracy is working when it's often tyrants taking over. He's a great wartime President and it's what Ukraine needs right now.

People rag on Biden for being old, but old Presidents know WTF they're doing.They've been there and done that, they've dealt with manlet tyrant wannabes like Putin and Kim, they know what works and what doesn't.

It's not just being old. Trump is old and didn't know what he was doing.But after a lifetime of politics, being old is an advantage.
Four more years..... pause.

End of quote. Repeat the line.
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
Four more years..... pause.

End of quote. Repeat the line.
At least he ain't on trial, Jack. *Licks ice cream.*
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
Are you scratching your head over that too? I can't even....

"Oh hey guise You-Krane is in the fight of it's life and desperately needs a whole lot of money! .....But they're only conscripting old people though."
yeah man, all those teenage girls on tiktok posting from the front line covered in blood volunteered.
my mistake.
the situation is so much better than i thought.

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Originally Posted By chalup⏩
You are a fking retard, their conscripts are OLD, they havent even begun to conscript younger adults. Good lord imagine posting this with a straight face.
Not sure if srs
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Originally Posted By ezmac31⏩
Not sure if srs
It's true. Ukraine has largely spared the younger men.
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Originally Posted By GhostofCricket⏩
It's true. Ukraine has largely spared the younger men.
Why?
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
Why?
Ukraine is suffering a severe population collapse. Their rationale was that older lives are worth less than the youth and that they can spare the younger men and have them gain important education and vocational skills to rebuild their society. I think it was men as young as 27 before. Now it is 25. When the fighting age (by our standards) men get sent to war, it will be full on total warfare. Possibly millions could die. I sincerely hope this war gets wrapped up quickly, but America's steadfast desire to perpetuate it makes it not look good for Ukraine. Zelensky has banned negotiation. The best time to negotiate was last year when Ukraine was winning back some territory and had momentum. Sadly, Biden/Zelensky did not listen to General Milley.
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Originally Posted By GhostofCricket⏩
Ukraine is suffering a severe population collapse. Their rationale was that older lives are worth less than the youthand that they can spare the younger men and have them gain important education and vocational skills to rebuild their society. I think it was men as young as 27 before. Now it is 25. When the fighting age (by our standards) men get sent to war, it will be full on total warfare. Possibly millions could die. I sincerely hope this war gets wrapped up quickly, but America's steadfast desire to perpetuate it makes it not look good for Ukraine. Zelensky has banned negotiation. The best time to negotiate was last year when Ukraine was winning back some territory and had momentum. Sadly, Biden/Zelensky did not listen to General Milley.
Yeah, no wincel...

Each and every single day all the You-Krane fanbois remind us that You-Krane is in a fight for it's very survival.

So if that's true then sparing anybody for any reason is a luxury that they can't afford. Bitches have the audacity to put their hands out and keep whoring for money, then they can also get TF off their asses and do the heavy lifting for it.
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Originally Posted By GhostofCricket⏩
Ukraine is suffering a severe population collapse. Their rationale was that older lives are worth less than the youth and that they can spare the younger men and have them gain important education and vocational skills to rebuild their society. I think it was men as young as 27 before. Now it is 25. When the fighting age (by our standards) men get sent to war, it will be full on total warfare. Possibly millions could die. I sincerely hope this war gets wrapped up quickly, but America's steadfast desire to perpetuate it makes it not look good for Ukraine. Zelensky has banned negotiation. The best time to negotiate was last year when Ukraine was winning back some territory and had momentum. Sadly, Biden/Zelensky did not listen to General Milley.
People will look back at this war in 10 years and ask themselves.....what in the F was the US and Ukraine doing? They destroyed their population and country.

For what exactly? THEY CANNOT WIN AND HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO WIN.

Sometimes you have to cut your losses.
Words to live by...."You're at the shopping mall with your girl but a hot chick walks by. Are you going to look at the hot girl? No. You use your peripheral vision."
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
Yeah, no wincel...

Each and every single day all the You-Krane fanbois remind us that You-Krane is in a fight for it's very survival.

So if that's true then sparing anybody for any reason is a luxury that they can't afford. Bitches have the audacity to put their hands out and keep whoring for money, then they can also get TF off their asses and do the heavy lifting for it.
I'm telling you what they said the reason was, Bushy.
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
Yeah, no wincel...

Each and every single day all the You-Krane fanbois remind us that You-Krane is in a fight for it's very survival.

So if that's true then sparing anybody for any reason is a luxury that they can't afford. Bitches have the audacity to put their hands out and keep whoring for money, then they can also get TF off their asses and do the heavy lifting for it.
Yeah saving those most fit to fight as you continue to lose territory and resources over the course of a couple years doesn’t make a lot of sense..55 year olds out here on the front lines while 22 year old men get to chill at the house and play COD..
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Originally Posted By GhostofCricket⏩
I'm telling you what they said the reason was, Bushy.
And I'm telling you their (your) reasoning is wrong.
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Originally Posted By BeachPro11⏩
People will look back at this war in 10 years and ask themselves.....what in the F was the US and Ukraine doing? They destroyed their population and country.

For what exactly? THEY CANNOT WIN AND HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO WIN.

Sometimes you have to cut your losses.
I looked at it right when it started and said that. This could have been over in around 2 weeks just like Georgia. It was essentially the same situation, but the difference is Ukraine was very committed, slightly nazified, and backed by the US. The US also had a political need for a "rally round the flag" effect during crisis (which failed spectacularly). Ukraine has lost more territory than it ever would have under the Minsk 2 agreement.
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
And I'm telling you their (your) reasoning is wrong.
It's not my reasoning lmao. Call Zelensky and tell him.
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Originally Posted By ezmac31⏩
Yeah saving those most fit to fight as you continue to lose territory and resources over the course of a couple years doesn’t make a lot of sense..55 year olds out here on the front lines while 22 year old men get to chill at the house and play COD..
That's pretty much what they went with. But they aren't playing COD. They are still preparing the younger men for war.
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Originally Posted By GhostofCricket⏩
I looked at it right when it started and said that. This could have been over in around 2 weeks just like Georgia. It was essentially the same situation, but the difference is Ukraine was very committed, slightly nazified, and backed by the US. The US also had a political need for a "rally round the flag" effect during crisis (which failed spectacularly). Ukraine has lost more territory than it ever would have under the Minsk 2 agreement.
It never even had to start and wouldn't have if NATO and the west had lived up to the original agreement in place with Russia a few years ago. But then the English PM squashed it.
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Originally Posted By BeachPro11⏩
It never even had to start and wouldn't have if NATO and the west had lived up to the original agreement in place with Russia a few years ago. But then the English PM squashed it.
It wasn't just us who squashed it. Their nazis did not accept any kind of ceasefire. This is why you do not give weapons to nazis. And that's one thing Obama did right that Trump fuked up.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
He means people who are a net negative for society.

Like yourself.

It's funny that he thinks he has some kind of major role in this commie utopia he preaches about while contributing nothing to it.
Originally Posted By BeachPro11⏩
People will look back at this war in 10 years and ask themselves.....what in the F was the US and Ukraine doing? They destroyed their population and country.

For what exactly? THEY CANNOT WIN AND HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO WIN.

Sometimes you have to cut your losses.
The more I think about it the more I think it was never about Ukraine winning. Eastern Europe has been fairly anti clown world and without direct sea access to filter millions of illegals as they stream through the rest of Europe. So clearing out a good part of the population of one of those countries to import millions of illegals that will do whatever their handlers tell them seems like the way to go about it. Since Ukraine is now looking for 4.5 million works to replace everybody that left (and you know no western Eurotard is going to move to Ukraine to work).https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-looki...100541722.html
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Originally Posted By yabbayabba⏩
It's funny that he thinks he has some kind of major role in this commie utopia he preaches about while contributing nothing to it.



The more I think about it the more I think it was never about Ukraine winning. Eastern Europe has been fairly anti clown world and without direct sea access to filter millions of illegals as they stream through the rest of Europe. So clearing out a good part of the population of one of those countries to import millions of illegals that will do whatever their handlers tell them seems like the way to go about it. Since Ukraine is now looking for 4.5 million works to replace everybody that left (and you know no western Eurotard is going to move to Ukraine to work).https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-looki...100541722.html
Are you really so stupid that you don't see the entire point is to destroy Russian forces and materiel? They consider the money better spent than on deterrence. That's all. If you are this incompetent, you should just kill yourself.
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Originally Posted By ezmac31⏩
Yeah saving those most fit to fight as you continue to lose territory and resources over the course of a couple years doesn’t make a lot of sense..55 year olds out here on the front lines while 22 year old men get to chill at the house and play COD..
right?
makes 100% total sense.
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Originally Posted By GhostofCricket⏩
That's pretty much what they went with. But they aren't playing COD. They are still preparing the younger men for war.
wrong again.
or just lying.
Earlier this month, Ukraine lowered the conscription age from 27 to 25 in an effort to bolster the size of its military.

The latest government decision means men aged 18-60 can’t renew their passports unless they return to Ukraine.
https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-c...eb6dc39994e52d
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Originally Posted By NitrogenWidget⏩
wrong again.
or just lying.




https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-c...eb6dc39994e52d
You have a very low IQ. I already explained all of that. How do people like you exist?
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Originally Posted By GhostofCricket⏩
You have a very low IQ. I already explained all of that. How do people like you exist?
You shouldn't call people out for "low IQ".

I mean, unless you want to be a hypocrite, in which case go right ahead.

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