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Thread: Mike Israel says seed oils are some of the healthies foods you can consume

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Originally Posted By GaryRidgway⏩
You went easy on him. Call him a clown that lifts at planet fitness like you do everyone else that mentions the smith machine.
But he doesn't workout at PF. All the videos show him working out at an actual gym, a hardcore one. I believe he owns it.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Just said I disagree with him over the Smith Machine. Let's say a gym has two of them, they should get rid of them, and put in two cages.
for bodybuilding I would say a smith machine is better

bodybuilding is about using every specific muscle in a controlled movement to stimulate it under tension and force it to break down and build

machines are more advantageous. that is why if you watch top olympians train most of their training is done on machines
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He's really been jumping the shark the last year or so. "Buh buh but muh studies say". He's a big jew at the end of the day, his humour is incorrigibly jewish and idk how people can watch him.
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Originally Posted By gradtech17⏩
Wait but olive oil isnt a seed oil?

Also can can anyone aware me if olive oil is bad for you?
Olive oil is not a seed oil. It’s made from
Fruit.

Generally, olive oil is considered to be very healthy, there are however surprising number of people who react very negatively to some plants, and some people react badly to everything plants, in which case they should do an elimination diet like carnivore at least initially to find some relief for their symptoms. So for those people, no olive oil.
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Originally Posted By kusok⏩
Olive oil is not a seed oil. It’s made from
Fruit.

Generally, olive oil is considered to be very healthy, there are however surprising number of people who react very negatively to some plants, and some people react badly to everything plants, in which case they should do an elimination diet like carnivore at least initially to find some relief for their symptoms. So for those people, no olive oil.
Right, I got confused reading your post about the study. Thought you were saying olive oil was paid by big cooperation to make it sound healthy.
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Originally Posted By gradtech17⏩
Right, I got confused reading your post about the study. Thought you were saying olive oil was paid by big cooperation to make it sound healthy.
to be clear, what they did to show that seed oils are “healthier“ then animal fats is they lump together unhealthy seed oil with very healthy olive oil, then they put healthy butter together with very unhealthy margarine, then obviously the plant oil group wins versus the butter and margarine, so they achieve their goal and morons like mike israeltel and Layne Norton will say that in their videos.
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imagine taking all that celltech and looking like my dogs chit. good job mike. keep up with your chit app and FULL RANGE OF MOTION!!!
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Originally Posted By GaryRidgway⏩
Mike Israetel says they're one of the healthiest things you can eat. He eats around 50g of fat per day in his diet which is very low. There is zero chance he's adding them to his own food.Says you can't trust liver king because he's on steroids when he himself uses more anabolics and a comparable amount of growth hormone. Total fraud.
Lol @ trusting a guy with the last name Israel.

Spoiler!
I agree with that logic in the bolded btw
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Originally Posted By Mountaineer92⏩
imagine taking all that celltech and looking like my dogs chit. good job mike. keep up with your chit app and FULL RANGE OF MOTION!!!
he looks "like chit" cause his genetic limitations. not his training or gear protocol

most pros all take similar things and doses, train intensely, eat the same etc

some people just dont have good insertions in Mike's case. He's short and stocky. This is why the top pros despite what miscers believe have the most insane genetics on the planet
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LOL just LOL @ listening to Dr. Cuck Israel

In all srsness, he's a know-it-all who MASSIVELY downplays the importance of SLOOOOOW ECCENTRICS & even more massively downplays how much drugs make a difference. He also downplays the importance of nutrition beyond IIFYM, bro. Still, other than the aforementioned or him being an ugly smarmy bald cuck who thinks he's way smarter and funnier than he is, isn't he mostly really solid with his advice? What else does he get wrong??
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Originally Posted By Strawng⏩
even more massively downplays how much drugs make a difference.
explain?
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Originally Posted By Ripper908⏩
explain?
He's said on several occasions that PEDs make a "5-10% difference" for mots people and that it would be mostly "negligible" how much they would change for someone who isn't an "advanced lifter". He's also said that drugs "don't help, but they help you work harder". He essentially claims that you have to be the "hardest worker" to get any benefit at all from PEDs.
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Originally Posted By Ripper908⏩
for bodybuilding I would say a smith machine is better

bodybuilding is about using every specific muscle in a controlled movement to stimulate it under tension and force it to break down and build

machines are more advantageous. that is why if you watch top olympians train most of their training is done on machines
A Smith machine is more dangerous, since stabilizer muscles are taken out. Plus, there's no natural groove/movement when using it.

Benching for example, has an arc when doing it, it's not supposed to be straight up and down.
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Originally Posted By Strawng⏩
He's said on several occasions that PEDs make a "5-10% difference" for mots people and that it would be mostly "negligible" how much they would change for someone who isn't an "advanced lifter". He's also said that drugs "don't help, but they help you work harder". He essentially claims that you have to be the "hardest worker" to get any benefit at all from PEDs.
Well, you can't just take PED'S and not do anything. Also, why wouldn't you workout harder when taking them??? That's sort of the point.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
A Smith machine is more dangerous, since stabilizer muscles are taken out. Plus, there's no natural groove/movement when using it.

Benching for example, has an arc when doing it, it's not supposed to be straight up and down.
Benching with an arc is only for powerlifting. For actual pec development, straight up and down is preferred

Smith machine is great for building muscle
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Originally Posted By yewotm8⏩
, his humour is incorrigibly jewish and idk how people can watch him.
He's always dropping jokes about being ghey and sexual abuse of young boys.
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Originally Posted By BigDeeps01⏩
Benching with an arc is only for powerlifting. For actual pec development, straight up and down is preferred

Smith machine is great for building muscle
What next, a Smith machine deadlift is safe?
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
A Smith machine is more dangerous, since stabilizer muscles are taken out. Plus, there's no natural groove/movement when using it.

Benching for example, has an arc when doing it, it's not supposed to be straight up and down.
Thoughts on using it for incline bench press?
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Originally Posted By Strawng⏩
He's said on several occasions that PEDs make a "5-10% difference" for mots people and that it would be mostly "negligible" how much they would change for someone who isn't an "advanced lifter". He's also said that drugs "don't help, but they help you work harder". He essentially claims that you have to be the "hardest worker" to get any benefit at all from PEDs.
he is full of cope
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Well, you can't just take PED'S and not do anything. Also, why wouldn't you workout harder when taking them??? That's sort of the point.
technically yes, you can. thats why they give steroids to aids and cancer patients. you can take them and do nothing, and still grow lean tissue
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Originally Posted By gradtech17⏩
Thoughts on using it for incline bench press?
Incline smith is a GOAT tier exercise

It's not 2005 anymore, you can digest more than 30g of protein and smith machine is a pretty good piece of equipment
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Strict press: 205x5
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Originally Posted By gradtech17⏩
Thoughts on using it for incline bench press?
So you're gonna steal one of the benches, drag it all the way to the Smith machine, and now we have to wait for you to finish your half assed sets? And knowing so many of you, you won't even drag it back......
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Originally Posted By guest89⏩
Its not. But Mike's workout advice is almost exclusively from scientific research and trying to sell highly complex workout plans. Because that's how he gets paid. His homie Jared Feather is an IFBB pro. But he's also getting paid selling this stuff.

Pretty much 99% of professional bodybuilders train the same way. A bro split. 100% of Mr Olympia competitors are on bro splits. Mike's training techniques/principles hasn't put anyone on any of the Mr Olympia stages.

If you pretty much just rest, focus on eating/nutrition, train and take your 'enhancements'. Then his workout advice/routines will probably work fine. Lmao at being a natural lifter or a guy with a full time job/life and trying to follow his routines though.




His content isn't terrible but he's entirely too science based. There are a ton high level lifters/bodybuilders that go to the gym without any specific plan. They don't know what exercises, sets or reps they'll do. They just train hard and smash a muscle group every time. And they make a **** ton of progress/achieve greatness. I'd argue the majority of good bodybuilders train this way.



Meanwhile nerds are buying complex lifting routines that are science based and all that jazz and are making sub-par progress.
In your entire post I'm not finding anything actionable about what he says "wrong" or where he leads people astray. Eat enough good food, get proper rest, don't ego lift, slow down the eccentric, utilize myo reps... this all sounds like fairly basic/effective stuff. Are we confusing Mike with VShred or something? I did the free trial for his app a while back and the programs seemed fairly straight forward too??
Originally Posted By Getter_done⏩
Dude took tons of celltech for years and still looks like shiit, looks like a bald bloated jacked midget with shiity proportions, dude looks ridiculous. Also acts like he knows everything, know it all little nerd, thinks hes way smarter than he actually is. Fuk this ball shaped midget kunt. Dude needs to get off all the tech and get a hair transplant fkn little ugly geek with palumboism.
He's 5'6" and like 240. He can't "look" any different at that size, lol. Getter_Done_Better, dude.
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I've seen this guy recently, some of what he says is pretty decent but as others have said, taking tech for years and looking like a bloated janitor is not a good look. Maybe he was really strong or something. He's also wrong about seed oils. They're bad chit. That said, fuk Liver King.

Some people are wondering what's the deal: Okay, our modern diets, the balance between Omega 3 and 6 is out of whack. Nothing wrong with omega 6 FA in and of themselves, but like many things, when the balance is wrong, you get inflammation and sick. Most people are already on the wrong side of this balance, a bunch of seed oils full of omega 6 just makes it worse. Then they're heavily processed so whatever nutrients were in there, bye.

I do sometimes fry with peanut oil, maybe if I'm making fried rice, but I know when I do it that it's an indulgence. My goto oil is avocado. High smoke point. If it's not being heated, olive oil works.

Liver King is probably making too big a deal about how bad seed oils are, also hypocritically as he's juiced to the gills on HGH, but Mike here is also making them out as perfectly decent fine and good, which they are not. They're not poison, they're just crap and should be avoided, not to mention many of the foods that they're used with are bad for many other reasons.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
I've seen this guy recently, some of what he says is pretty decent but as others have said, taking tech for years and looking like a bloated janitor is not a good look. Maybe he was really strong or something. He's also wrong about seed oils. They're bad chit. That said, fuk Liver King.

Some people are wondering what's the deal: Okay, our modern diets, the balance between Omega 3 and 6 is out of whack. Nothing wrong with omega 6 FA in and of themselves, but like many things, when the balance is wrong, you get inflammation and sick. Most people are already on the wrong side of this balance, a bunch of seed oils full of omega 6 just makes it worse. Then they're heavily processed so whatever nutrients were in there, bye.

I do sometimes fry with peanut oil, maybe if I'm making fried rice, but I know when I do it that it's an indulgence. My goto oil is avocado. High smoke point. If it's not being heated, olive oil works.
It's weird that he associates people that don't eat seed oils with tren using right wing nutjobs when he's probably used more tren than all of his viewers.
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He's always dropping jokes about being ghey and sexual abuse of young boys.
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Originally Posted By Strawng⏩
He's said on several occasions that PEDs make a "5-10% difference" for mots people and that it would be mostly "negligible" how much they would change for someone who isn't an "advanced lifter". He's also said that drugs "don't help, but they help you work harder". He essentially claims that you have to be the "hardest worker" to get any benefit at all from PEDs.
IMO, (not you but Mike who said this) is utterly nonsensical.

I don't dislike or hate PEDs, but come the fuk on. They work. They fuking cause more growth in muscle in someone not even working out that someone natty hitting it hard x5 week.

What he might have said or meant, and I've seen this: Long term? They don't always work. Often, they do not. Someone who uses PEDs because they don't know what they're doing, are not training hard or smart, do not know or will not eat right, etc... someone like that will blast, put on a lot of weight, look great and quickly deflate. In that sense, PEDs long-term did not do much. I don't use them but I've seen this with bros at the gym where it's pretty obvious. Them looking not that great, doing the same chit, not growing, then suddenly blowing up, then months later deflating like a balloon. Sometimes looking worse for it in the long run, probably b/c they don't know chit about getting their balls back on track after a cycle.

Someone with a solid base, knows how to grow, is somewhere at least in the range of the natural potential, they'll blast and put on weight and manage to hang on to some of it, at least. Probably more than 5-10%, I don't know, I don't use PEDs.
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First of all, it's Dr. Mike, the man has a PhD.

Second of all I'd like to see you clowns say that **** to Dr. Mike's face, he has a brown belt in BJJ and would choke the **** out of your weak bitch ass.

His advice is generally on point and he keeps up with the latest research, out of all the fitness youtubers he's among the most knowledgeable and trustworthy.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
IMO, (not you but Mike who said this) is utterly nonsensical.

I don't dislike or hate PEDs, but come the fuk on. They work. They fuking cause more growth in muscle in someone not even working out that someone natty hitting it hard x5 week.

What he might have said or meant, and I've seen this: Long term? They don't always work. Often, they do not. Someone who uses PEDs because they don't know what they're doing, are not training hard or smart, do not know or will not eat right, etc... someone like that will blast, put on a lot of weight, look great and quickly deflate. In that sense, PEDs long-term did not do much. I don't use them but I've seen this with bros at the gym where it's pretty obvious. Them looking not that great, doing the same chit, not growing, then suddenly blowing up, then months later deflating like a balloon. Sometimes looking worse for it in the long run, probably b/c they don't know chit about getting their balls back on track after a cycle.

Someone with a solid base, knows how to grow, is somewhere at least in the range of the natural potential, they'll blast and put on weight and manage to hang on to some of it, at least. Probably more than 5-10%, I don't know, I don't use PEDs.
I mean, it may add 5-10% of lean BM I guess. Most compounds it's hard to sort water weight from the actual lean tissue.

If you have a physique that's natty, then add PED's, it seems to me that just from the eye test it would add 20%, numbers notwithstanding -- because most help you appear bigger and leaner, and therefore, even bigger.
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Originally Posted By Quiggie⏩
First of all, it's Dr. Mike, the man has a PhD.

Second of all I'd like to see you clowns say that **** to Dr. Mike's face, he has a brown belt in BJJ and would choke the **** out of your weak bitch ass.

His advice is generally on point and he keeps up with the latest research, out of all the fitness youtubers he's among the most knowledgeable and trustworthy.
He won't do chit to anyone. He's so immobile he can't even do a chinup because he can't get his hands in that position.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
IMO, (not you but Mike who said this) is utterly nonsensical.

I don't dislike or hate PEDs, but come the fuk on. They work. They fuking cause more growth in muscle in someone not even working out that someone natty hitting it hard x5 week.

What he might have said or meant, and I've seen this: Long term? They don't always work. Often, they do not. Someone who uses PEDs because they don't know what they're doing, are not training hard or smart, do not know or will not eat right, etc... someone like that will blast, put on a lot of weight, look great and quickly deflate. In that sense, PEDs long-term did not do much. I don't use them but I've seen this with bros at the gym where it's pretty obvious. Them looking not that great, doing the same chit, not growing, then suddenly blowing up, then months later deflating like a balloon. Sometimes looking worse for it in the long run, probably b/c they don't know chit about getting their balls back on track after a cycle.

Someone with a solid base, knows how to grow, is somewhere at least in the range of the natural potential, they'll blast and put on weight and manage to hang on to some of it, at least. Probably more than 5-10%, I don't know, I don't use PEDs.
Pretty sure the 10% claim is based off tested vs untested powerlifting results. Basically the records for untested lifters for the same weight class were about 10% higher.

Now that a tested lifter has the highest overall total Mike Isreatel will probably say they actually hinder your performance.
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