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post 10000167375 05-14-2026, 03:49 PM
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Breaking news: Xi Jinping warns Trump of risk of war if Taiwan issue “ not handled carefully “

We are on the precipice of World war 3

This is just like when Chamberlain gave Hitler a handshake …

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/live-blog/trump-china-trip-xi-live-updates-rcna344529

What just happened in Beijing was pure pageantry
post 10000167387 05-14-2026, 04:01 PM
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post 10000168424 05-15-2026, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted By Bonobo
No one cares. Post that gay shit in the r p if you have to
This.

I've been watching this China visit thing and that's not really what is going on.

It’s odd because the US recognizes the “One China Policy” but at the same time also recognizes Tiawan as an individual nation.   China would much rather incorporate Taiwan peacefully than to do it by force for a number of reasons.  It’s just that China isn't’ ruling out force.  I think it’s a pressure to negotiate.  Fact is we also promised Ukraine that we would defend them if they gave up their nukes, so they gave up their nukes, now the world knows that nobody will do chit if you invade another country.
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Originally Posted By Jaydubs
This.

I've been watching this China visit thing and that's not really what is going on.

It’s odd because the US recognizes the “One China Policy” but at the same time also recognizes Tiawan as an individual nation.   China would much rather incorporate Taiwan peacefully than to do it by force for a number of reasons.  It’s just that China isn't’ ruling out force.  I think it’s a pressure to negotiate.  Fact is we also promised Ukraine that we would defend them if they gave up their nukes, so they gave up their nukes, now the world knows that nobody will do chit if you invade another country.
I don't think its odd at all, it's simple duplicity on our part because a reunifying taiwan and china strengtensh china.And that's all comes down to


Imagine if China was arming Puerto Rico, it would be so ridiculous beyond comprehension. Yet we have this attitude toward them
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post 10000168505 05-15-2026, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted By Bonobo
I don't think its odd at all, it's simple duplicity on our part because a reunifying taiwan and china strengtensh china.And that's all comes down to


Imagine if China was arming Puerto Rico, it would be so ridiculous beyond comprehension. Yet we have this attitude toward them
Right on cue, Bono always whining when America acts in its best interests(which is becoming even more increasingly rare to begin with)
post 10000168523 05-15-2026, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted By RIKTERS
Right on cue, Bono always whining when America acts in its best interests(which is becoming even more increasingly rare to begin with)
So it's in our best interest to promote militarism in taiwan to agitate our global rival over territory we concede is theres? Especially after the failures in ukraine and iran? Holy fuck, you're retarded. Or just trolling. I don't even think you're serious
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Originally Posted By Jaydubs
This.

I've been watching this China visit thing and that's not really what is going on.

It’s odd because the US recognizes the “One China Policy” but at the same time also recognizes Tiawan as an individual nation.   China would much rather incorporate Taiwan peacefully than to do it by force for a number of reasons.  It’s just that China isn't’ ruling out force.  I think it’s a pressure to negotiate.  Fact is we also promised Ukraine that we would defend them if they gave up their nukes, so they gave up their nukes, now the world knows that nobody will do chit if you invade another country.
You consistently spread misinformation.

There was no "promise" of military intervention or automatic defense by the U.S. or UK in the 1994 Budapest Memorandum. What was promised was assurances against violations with sanctions, aid, and diplomatic pressure... Which is what is currently being done. What Moscow told Kiev at the time, if they don't return the nukes to Moscow, is that Russia wouldn't give Ukraine its independence and would invade. Which at the time, Ukraine would have no ability to resist. So they had no choice but to comply. Russia also, because they were the successor of the USSR, took on all the foreign debt of Ukraine and other satellite countries, which was the right thing to do.

Furthermore, the nukes were never rightfully Ukraines. They were funded/maintained/and held the launch codes by the USSR (Moscow/Russia). Ukraine could not maintain these said nukes. Ukraine was nothing but a satellite state of the USSR. Kazakhstan/Belarus had to return the nukes also after the fall of the USSR. None of these satellite countries had their own nukes.

They were Russian nukes. This is like if the U.S. placed nukes in NATO countries like Germany, for example, and NATO disbands, the U.S. tells Germany to return their nukes, and Berlin tries to claim they belong to them. Would you agree that those nukes never belonged to Germany or any NATO country and were rightfully U.S. nukes?
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It's in Americas best interest to help maintain Taiwan's autonomy. 

We haven't conceding anything.

"The U.S. "acknowledges" Beijing's claim over Taiwan but has never formally accepted or validated it. The policy is designed to deter China from invading while discouraging Taiwan from declaring formal independence."
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Originally Posted By BasedBagel
You consistently spread misinformation.

There was no promise of military intervention or automatic defense by the U.S. or UK in the 1994 Budapest Memorandum. What was promised was assurances against violations with sanctions, aid, and diplomatic pressure... Which is what is currently being done. What Moscow told Kiev at the time, if they don't return the nukes to Moscow, is that Russia wouldn't give Ukraine its independence and would invade. Which at the time, Ukraine would have no ability to resist. So they had no choice but to comply. Russia also, because they were the successor of the USSR, took on all the foreign debt of Ukraine and other satellite countries, which was the right thing to do.

Furthermore, the nukes were never rightfully Ukraines. They were funded/maintained/and held the launch codes by the USSR (Moscow/Russia). Ukraine could not maintain these said nukes. Ukraine was nothing but a satellite state. Kazakhstan/Belarus had to return the nukes also after the fall of the USSR. None of these satellite countries had nukes.

They were Russian nukes. This is like if the U.S. placed nukes in NATO countries like Germany, for example, and NATO disbands, the U.S. tells Germany to return their nukes, and Berlin tries to claim they belong to them. Would you agree that those nukes never belonged to Germany or any NATO country and were rightfully U.S. nukes?
All I said about Taiwan was we recongize both them as a one china and an independent country. I didn't say anything about our promises, you did.

Russia's? No, the USSR's. The USSR was a nation that incorporated other nations as one inculding Russia and Ukraine as apart of the USSR. So nowhere near the same as NATO. You might be thinking of the Warsaw Pact. I think you need to stop spreading misinformation and putting words into my mouth.
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Originally Posted By Bonobo
I don't think its odd at all, it's simple duplicity on our part because a reunifying taiwan and china strengtensh china.And that's all comes down to


Imagine if China was arming Puerto Rico, it would be so ridiculous beyond comprehension. Yet we have this attitude toward them
Right, because it's a bit of an internal problem. We really need to stay out. Peurto Rico isn't a very good example as nobody wants them. lol. Ive been saying we need to cut ties with them.

Different subject but I don't really like the idea of Trump wanting to basically take over Cuba, because that is going to be an expensive mess.
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Originally Posted By Jaydubs
All I said about Taiwan was we recongize both them as a one china and an independent country. I didn't say anything about our promises, you did.

Russia's? No, the USSR's. The USSR was a nation that incorporated other nations as one inculding Russia and Ukraine as apart of the USSR. So nowhere near the same as NATO. You might be thinking of the Warsaw Pact. I think you need to stop spreading misinformation and putting words into my mouth.
Originally Posted By Jaydubs
I didn't say anything about our promises, you did.



You literally used the word "promise" when referring to Ukraine

Originally Posted By Jaydubs
Fact is we also promised Ukraine that we would defend them
This was not a promise of the Budapest memorandum

I put no words in your mouth. You are spreading misinformation because the Budapest Memorandum NEVER EVER was a pact or "promise" (as you put it) that we would physically defend Ukraine, it was just assurances that we would support them with sanctions/aid/political pressure.



Where did the USSR originate? Who was the HQ? Was it not Moscow/Russia? Who was the leader of the USSR who created the policies, both domestic and foreign? Who literally created "Ukraine" as an individual state? You won't find a single historic map of "Ukraine" pre-USSR. We're gonna pretend like Russia wasn't the successor of the USSR or the originator?

Russia was the political, administrative, economic, and symbolic headquarters of the USSR. When the Soviet Union dissolved in 1991, the Russian Federation emerged as its primary successor state.

Those were not Ukrainian nukes. They were Russian nukes. No different than if NATO disbanded and NATO countries that are hosting U.S. nukes had to return those nukes to the rightful owner, which would be the U.S.
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post 10000168586 05-15-2026, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted By Jaydubs
Right, because it's a bit of an internal problem. We really need to stay out. Peurto Rico isn't a very good example as nobody wants them. lol. Ive been saying we need to cut ties with them.

Different subject but I don't really like the idea of Trump wanting to basically take over Cuba, because that is going to be an expensive mess.
The problem is, none of these actions seem to benefit us, and by us, I mean the middle class. And cuba has more to do with the aristocrats that were kicked out by fidel wanting revenge.But I don't care about cuban diaspora horseship problems
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