https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jun/05/congress-us-israel-legislation

No voter id laws but 8 billion for Ukraine and complete cucking of the USA to be goyy cattle for israel

InB4 we already do this all the time so it's fine.

3-d galaxy chess move by israel, they know support for them is going down so now they own the usa military no matter what

Inb4 Waincuck comes in here and defends this madness

Thread title is a bit misleading

I've seen a bunch of clickbait titles about this making it look like the military is literally merging lol - and even some claims it gives isreal soldiers us citizenship or such lol.

It isn't the military is merging or gives their military members access to us and stuff they are saying.

It's a cooperation of developing certain tech and research and development

It does not require blanket or unlimited sharing of all US intelligence or all information involving the US military.



It's currently written as information sharing just for certain aspects in the region involving both US and Israel- and current shares tech such as aspects of iron dome

This isn't everything shared involving the US , us tech, and US military

The president can also decide to keep something secret from isreal, and only had to notify congress they did - not get permission

"targeted, enhanced intelligence sharing in specific categories of mutual interest — primarily threats that affect both the United States and Israel in the Middle East region. It does not require blanket or unlimited sharing of all US intelligence or all information involving the US military."


This is mainly religious to Abrahams accord states

What's sharing?
-Cybersecurity threats
• Terrorism
• Sanctions evasion
• Plans and intentions of state and nonstate actors
• Adversarial technology proliferation
• Missile threats
• Unmanned aerial systems (drones), cruise missiles, ballistic missiles
• Air and space domain awareness
• Other aerial threats relevant to the defense of Israel, United States forces and interests in the region, and regional security partners


Its a policy to maintain/stregthen the stretegic security partnership with israel, involving intelligence collaberation to counter terrorism, Iran-aligned threats, proliferation, cyber threats, sanctions evasion, missile/UAS threats, etc., support Israel’s qualitative military edge, encourage regional security architectures (including with abraham accords partners), and leverage coordination for us force protection/early warning.

Joint mission Info sharing like this isn't too abnormal


Also- it's just in committee by the way

We're going to be using their technology and software in a lot of our military operations.

How is utilizing a foreign countries software who could easily implement back door access not a serious threat?

Now what? What if they start going rogue and being defiant? We're at the mercy of them and can never keep them accountable, ultimately now being forced into any kind of action they decide to get into by default....

Lmao. Netanyahu bragged about this being his idea, I wonder who favors?????

Meh- raising a fair point on tech and software integration risks.

Allot of the takes on this have been remanufactured from what it really does into something else by click bait engagement farmer- and later regurgitated by useful idiots.

It seems to be popular and effective lately for engagement famers (or politicians with alliterative motives) to take anything isreal related - and attempt go exaggerate it - or twist into something sinister to generate more viewa

To be clear- there are two separate pieces of legislation moving right now, and they’re getting conflated in social media/reports/etc.
S. 4615 Section 622 (the Senate Intel Authorization bill) is mainly about intelligence sharing — dedicated secure channels and joint analysis in specific threat areas (missiles/drones, cyber, terrorism, sanctions evasion, etc.).

It does not mandate integrating Israeli software or hardware into US military systems.
The provision that everyone is talking about - Section 224 of the House FY2027 NDAA

— the “United States-Israel Defense Technology Cooperation Initiative.”

That one would require the secretary of defense to designate an executive agent to synchronize and accelerate US-Israel cooperation on:
•  bilateral defense technology research, development, testing, evaluation, and integration
•  industrial cooperation, co-production, and moving joint tech into US programs of record
It targets areas like counter-drone, missile defense, AI/autonomous systems, quantum, cyber/electronic warfare, etc.
Even under 224- it is still a US DOD-led process.

An executive agent works inside the Pentagon, any integration still goes through normal US vetting, testing, counterintelligence reviews, and acquisition rules.

It doesn’t hand Israel a blank check or bypass US security processes.

The US has integrated tech from close allies before (and vice versa) with those safeguards in place.
On the backdoor/accountability worry: legitimate concern with any foreign tech integration. The US already treats Israeli espionage/counterintel risk seriously (it’s been flagged at high levels in the past).

That risk doesn’t disappear with closer cooperation — but neither does US sovereign control over its own systems, forces, or intel dissemination.

Presidents and congress have adjusted or limited cooperation with Israel multiple times when interests diverged.

This language doesn’t remove that ability.
The bigger picture in both bills is shifting parts of the relationship from one-way aid toward more two-way tech and intel cooperation against shared threats (Iran, proxies, missiles, cyber).

The text itself doesn’t create an automatic “we’re now at their mercy” trap or a full military merger.
The thread title (“combine military forces”) and some of the “they now own the US military” framing is still overstated- often by engagement farmers- or useless idiots regurgitating the engagement farmers.

These are targeted enhancements on top of years of existing cooperation, not some BS sovereignty handover.

It's more comparable to a nato exercise country collaboration


 because Netanyahu allegedly wants it doesn’t change what the bills actually say.

Allies lobby.

What matters is the language and the oversight mechanisms that remain.

I'm personally indifferent about this- I don't really care much about it tbh

What bugs me is when these people (especially politicians) create titles and post misleading what the actually bill does.


I'm fine if people wanna disagree with the bill- at least call it what it is though.

Conjecture and Willfully Blind.

Booboo, you think Israel is 100% bad, when in reality, Israel is only 40% bad. The rest is beneficial.

The Guardian....

I think the biggest criticism one could make for the section would be "is there a need"

1. Most of this is already going on"
2. The president has broad discretion in these matters and can do pretty much all of this regardless of whet congress says

I don't like this at all. It seems like it gives Israel access to all our systems, technologies, AI, agencies like DARPA, Missile Defense Agency, Defense Innovation Unit, Research and Engineering, Space Agency, as well as access to our private industries and academic institutions, but I don't see us getting access to anything in Israel!

It's a total one-way street! They keep saying joint-venture and cooperative effort, but really it lists nothing that we will be getting from Israel, and lists everything we will be giving them or giving them access to.

Why does it list all of our agencies, but none of theirs?

It's a total fucking joke. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

You could read the whole thing here. It's starts on page 40 of the document, although it's page 43 in my pdf reader:

https://armedservices.house.gov/uploadedfiles/fy27_ndaa_chairmans_mark_-_final.pdf

I dont like either and Ive always been of the opinion that Israel gives a piece, not the top tech, etc, to China to hedge their bets.

The only thing Trump is going to do is listen to what Bibi says, because that is what he is paid to do lol.

Writing novels trying to justify any of this, given the past and contemporary events, isn't even worth addressing.

Only people trying to waive this away as "engagement farming", are most likely paid Hasbara trolls.


Israel is paying lots of people to making these comments. Some up to 7k a post.

I read the Israeli government was getting sued because they failed to pay the influencers the $7k per propaganda post. Lmao.

Shocker.


Netenyahu has an army of posters correcting the record full time.


Anytime I see phrases like "engagement farming" all I see is red flags.

Yep know all about the army of influencers

even elon musk is noticing again
he better watch out or he will get dog walked back to Auschwitz

I'm only getting $47 a post

I need a new agent

Might as well call me by name since I used that term ITT

If you read my post - i'm not "justifying" it - or even agreeing or disagreeing with it

I'm explaining what the text of the proposal actually means and the context of it.


The "engagement farming" I describe is people trying to spin it or tile it as something else- or even completely fabricating what it actually is.


Imo its simply an unnecessary piece of legislation

"Can't pull without a legal hurdle" isn't really the case either

The president can- he just has to give notification to congress he did within 15 days (and thats after he already did it)

As well as documented rationale

But here is the thing

-it is still determined by the President- and at the discretion of the president

He can use whatever reasoning he wants

He has nothing to block or stop him to overcome - it's just aftet the fact notification procedure


And all this stuff is currently already going on with many things






To add - hypothetical if congress did try to actually block something- they would quickly find they don't actually have constitutional authority for this anyway

They still wouldn't pay either way lmao.

Still trying to figure out why it lists all our agencies that will be cooperating, but nothing specific from the Israeli side.

What's your point?

This doesn't help the case for a compromised president, like Trump, who gets told what to do by the leader of a foreign nation, and is totally willing to hand over national sovereignty.


He's already demonstrated he doesn't need any rationale, by ignoring all factual information countering what he wants to do. Furthermore, the DoD, and a good portion of most executive branch over the years have been compromised by dual citizens. It typically gets really bad when Republicans are in office.


Kennedy was murdered for attempting to reign back Israel, as they were stealing uranium from the US. The US isn't even supposed to be helping Israel one iota, since they are not participants of the NPT.


What people are totally aware of are incidents like Jonathan Pollard stealing US intel, constantly being on high alert for espionage, and the legislative and executive branch keep betraying the public for a country that has a 60% disapproval rating.


Personally, I am a realist, and am totally aware the US government doesn't work for its citizens, But to try and spin this with Hasbara via theoretical talking points of how things work in legalities, which are totally subjective, is either naive of pure deception.


For you I'll go with deception, because you are extremely partisan.


None of this works anymore. The public is fully aware that the government isn't sovereign with Trump's war and the Massie election. Voting and the idea of representative democracy is blatantly violated daily, and "public officials" aren't shy about any of it.


This is absolutely a merger.

Haven't read the rest of post yet- but ill finish this one question quick.

Point:

-the legislation is pointless because potus can already do this - potus can not do any it even if congress passes it- if Congress tried to accelerate their authority more on this they don't have the constitutional grounds to do - its all just pointless noise

This is false.

Allowing the President, any president, sole discretion to "merge" militaries, etc with China is absolutely bonkers.

Every single common sense argument opposing that holds true with *insert every nation*

Remainder reply:


I’m not spinning anything or running "Hasbara" lol

If i were a congressman I would vote no in this because its redundant - and likely not constitutional- at the same time i recognize the reality of whats written.

Stuff like this annoys me because it illustrates congressmen imagination into powers they don't have - like several concepts they thought they had until destroyed in scotus recently- and several more that will be destroyed if ever brought to scotus.

This section is legit pointless noise.

People are making a big bs noise parade about it for usefull idiots to absorb.

As far as Israel goes- I'm on the recored on this very forum for (rip the bandaid off) a pull all support and aid from both sides, don't politically push for restraint- and let them fight it out until there is a dominant victor - you quoted me in agreement


R.e . This bill- the rhetoric around it reminds me of useful idiots saying we "gave" Venezuela 20 billion- or when they said the democrats reconciliation approval didn't approve money to illegals for healthcare and such (when i made the long post it textually did)


I’m reading the actual bill language and pointing out what it does and doesn’t do. Thats it

You can dislike the policy or the broader U.S.-Israel relationship — that’s a separate debate.

But the claim that this legislation creates some kind of military “merger” or hands over sovereignty doesn’t match the text.
Section 224 (the House NDAA one) sets up a framework for the U.S. side to "better" (opinions) coordinate and accelerate existing types of tech cooperation in specific areas (counter-drone, missile defense, AI, cyber, etc.).

It directs a U.S. executive agent to identify Israeli-origin or jointly developed tech that could be useful to integrate into U.S. systems, with reporting back to Congress.

It doesn’t merge forces, grant Israeli personnel access to U.S. command structures, or remove U.S. control over its own tech/intel.

The U.S. still decides what gets shared or integrated, and existing counterintelligence and vetting processes remain in place.
On the presidential discretion point from my last post: a president can already share or limit intel/tech cooperation under existing authority.

This bill adds some procedural requirements (notification + documentation for limitations), but it doesn’t remove the President’s ability to act. Congress gets oversight, not veto power.

That’s just how these things work in foreign affairs and classified information.
The Pollard case, historical espionage concerns, and Israel’s non-NPT status are real issues that predate these bills by decades.

They get managed (or not managed well) through normal counterintel channels. This legislation doesn’t change that dynamic or create new legal exposure.
If the argument is that any closer coordination with Israel is inherently bad or that the relationship is already too one-sided, that’s a policy position worth debating. But calling the bill text itself a “merger” or sovereignty handover is just not accurate based on what’s written.

Related note - found my quote about Israel semi related to this back in 2015

The relationship has changed some since- but the laboratory aspect is real- their risk burned for our tech gaib.