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post 10000228858 Yesterday, 08:21 AM
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Oil drops to $69 per barrel

Sharp drop in oil prices over the past couple weeks. This is going to jumpstart the economy once it's reflected in gas and energy prices over the next few weeks.

https://oilprice.com/
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Too bad the economy even has to be jumpstarted. Almost like there was a war that didn't need to happen.
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Originally Posted By OliverHeldens⏩
Sharp drop in oil prices over the past couple weeks. This is going to jumpstart the economy once it's reflected in gas and energy prices over the next few weeks.

https://oilprice.com/
Jumpstart the economy lmao

You realize theyre going to be hiking rates? What do you think that will do to this bubble and stock market?
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Originally Posted By WoofieNugget⏩
Too bad the economy even has to be jumpstarted. Almost like there was a war that didn't need to happen.
It needed to happen, clown...
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Originally Posted By MarioMiami305⏩
Jumpstart the economy lmao

You realize theyre going to be hiking rates? What do you think that will do to this bubble and stock market?
They don't need to hike rates once energy prices drop bud. You'll see.... the Inflation data from July on will drop sharply.
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Originally Posted By WoofieNugget⏩
Too bad the economy even has to be jumpstarted. Almost like there was a war that didn't need to happen.
Given that they were able to get Iran back into transacting oil with dollars, it seemed like a very successful mission.
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Originally Posted By MarioMiami305⏩
Jumpstart the economy lmao

You realize theyre going to be hiking rates? What do you think that will do to this bubble and stock market?


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post 10000228878 Yesterday, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted By OliverHeldens⏩
They don't need to hike rates once energy prices drop bud. You'll see.... the Inflation data from July on will drop sharply.
Lmao its already priced in. Look at gold getting dumped. Theyre going to be hiking rates.

Holy shit ur a retard.
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post 10000228885 Yesterday, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted By MarioMiami305⏩
Lmao its already priced in. Look at gold getting dumped. Theyre going to be hiking rates.

Holy shit ur a retard.
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Originally Posted By MarioMiami305⏩
Lmao its already priced in. Look at gold getting dumped. Theyre going to be hiking rates.

Holy shit ur a retard.
You are fucking retarded. The reason Gold is being dumped is because it's a hedge for inflation. People are expecting inflation to drop drastically and rates to decrease, therefore it makes no sense to hold Gold anymore.

Look at the 10 year today. It wouldn't be dropping 8 basis points if people were expecting inflation to be rising.

You are a mental midget and have no idea how all of this works.
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Originally Posted By OliverHeldens⏩
You are fucking retarded. The reason Gold is being dumped is because it's a hedge for inflation. People are expecting inflation to drop drastically and rates to decrease, therefore it makes no sense to hold Gold anymore.
No you moron. Gold is at 4k now. Investors are preparing for aggresive rate hikes from the fed.

You are proving you dont know anything - again.
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Originally Posted By MarioMiami305⏩
No you moron. Gold is at 4k now. Investors are preparing for aggresive rate hikes from the fed.

You are proving you dont know anything - again.
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Originally Posted By MarioMiami305⏩
No you moron. Gold is at 4k now. Investors are preparing for aggresive rate hikes from the fed.

You are proving you dont know anything - again.
Mario, please just sit this one out. You're literally 100% wrong about all of this. The opposite of everything you're saying is true.
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Originally Posted By OliverHeldens⏩
Mario, please just sit this one out. You're literally 100% wrong about all of this. The opposite of everything you're saying is true.
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Originally Posted By MarioMiami305⏩

Those predictions were made when there hadn't been an Iran deal. Obviously if you're expecting high energy prices to last all year, they were going to predict rate increases.

But remember, data is backward looking. With oil going down to $60 per barrel, those rate hike predictions will disappear once lower energy is reflected in the data.
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Originally Posted By OliverHeldens⏩
Those predictions were made when there hadn't been an Iran deal. Obviously if you're expecting high energy prices to last all year, they were going to predict rate increases.

But remember, data is backward looking. With oil going down to $60 per barrel, those rate hike predictions will disappear once lower energy is reflected in the data.
$290B deficit spending in May. Pace - $3T annually. But this fucking moron thinks because oil is coming down inflation is coming down.

Total fucking grade a moron.
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Originally Posted By MarioMiami305⏩
$290B deficit spending in May. Pace - $3T annually. But this fucking moron thinks because oil is coming down inflation is coming down.

Total fucking grade a moron.
The deficit has nothing to do with inflation. Inflation is the price of a basket of goods, of which Gasoline is a major component of. If you don't think oil prices dropping by 40% will impact inflation, I'm not sure what to tell you bud.
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The only reason they might have to raise rates is due to a large amount of short duration debt coming due. In short, lack of liquidity at current interest rates....potentially. This is a dance that has been playing out since Yellen and will continue to be exceedingly hard to get out of.

Maria might be correct for reasons she doesn't understand and will never understand.

Oliver is spot on with his point regarding inflation related to oil. Don't underestimate this. It is the part of the recipe to quell inflation.
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Imagine how retarded you are that you're getting cooked by Maria on economics.


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Originally Posted By JeepBruh⏩
The only reason they might have to raise rates is due to a large amount of short duration debt coming due. In short, lack of liquidity at current interest rates....potentially. This is a dance that has been playing out since Yellen and will continue to be exceedingly hard to get out of.

Maria might be correct for reasons she doesn't understand and will never understand.

Oliver is spot on with his point regarding inflation related to oil. Don't underestimate this. It is the part of the recipe to quell inflation.
The Federal Reserve Rate has only a modest impact on what the bond market does. That short duration debt will be priced by the market, and they almost certainly want rates as low as possible on all durations if they're going to re-up those bonds.
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Originally Posted By JeepBruh⏩
The only reason they might have to raise rates is due to a large amount of short duration debt coming due. In short, lack of liquidity at current interest rates....potentially. This is a dance that has been playing out since Yellen and will continue to be exceedingly hard to get out of.

Maria might be correct for reasons she doesn't understand and will never understand.

Oliver is spot on with his point regarding inflation related to oil. Don't underestimate this. It is the part of the recipe to quell inflation.
This might be the dumbest thing i've ever seen written. On what planet does the federal reserve raise interest rates due to a lack of liquidity???? Holy fuck.
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Originally Posted By OliverHeldens⏩
The deficit has nothing to do with inflation. Inflation is the price of a basket of goods, of which Gasoline is a major component of. If you don't think oil prices dropping by 40% will impact inflation, I'm not sure what to tell you bud.
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Originally Posted By OliverHeldens⏩
The Federal Reserve Rate has only a modest impact on what the bond market does. That short duration debt will be priced by the market, and they almost certainly want rates as low as possible on all durations if they're going to re-up those bonds.
Ehhh, disagree with your first sentence. Fed is lender of last resort, and controls interest rates through liquidity (buying debt).

The short duration debt absolutely will be priced by the market and if there aren't enough buyers the only way to get people to buy is making them more attractive with higher interest rates.
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Originally Posted By Bonobo⏩
This might be the dumbest thing i've ever seen written. On what planet does the federal reserve raise interest rates due to a lack of liquidity???? Holy fuck.
The Federal Reserve isn't going to do it, but the Bond Market will absolutely raise rates to attract more liquidity to the markets.
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Hasn't oil been fairly reasonably priced compared to high fuel cost we've been paying over the last few months. The MOU deal still seems pretty shakey, I don't think fuel prices are going to drop significantly until things actually get settled. I could be dead wrong and hope I am.
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Originally Posted By JeepBruh⏩
Ehhh, disagree with your first sentence. Fed is lender of last resort, and controls interest rates through liquidity (buying debt).

The short duration debt absolutely will be priced by the market and if there aren't enough buyers the only way to get people to buy is making them more attractive with higher interest rates.
The Fed will sometimes be the Buyer of last resort, but they aren't currently in the process of YCC. And with the new Fed Chair, he doesn't seem likely to do anymore YCC for the time being.

They are going to tackle the Demand side, which also lowers inflation and interest rates.
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Originally Posted By Bonobo⏩
This might be the dumbest thing i've ever seen written. On what planet does the federal reserve raise interest rates due to a lack of liquidity???? Holy fuck.
Fair call out. Trying to explain the issue related to the treasury, not the fed. I thought mentioning Yellen would have made that clear.

The bond market might not have the liquidity at current interest rates, resulting in them demanding higher rates for the debt to be purchased. The treasury would have to issue bonds at a higher rate to fulfill current debt demands. Or the fed could step in by purchasing debt.
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Originally Posted By JeepBruh⏩
Fair call out. Trying to explain the issue related to the treasury, not the fed. I thought mentioning Yellen would have made that clear.

The bond market might not have the liquidity at current interest rates, resulting in them demanding higher rates for the debt to be purchased. The treasury would have to issue bonds at a higher rate to fulfill current debt demands. Or the fed could step in by purchasing debt.
Fai nuff.

Raising rates for the bond market will raise liquidity in the bond markets. If that's what you were saying that is correct
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