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Why have some people become so anti-college these days?
College is useful if you major in the right subject or get the right certification after graguation. College grads. get paid much more than non-college graduates on average. Many seem to hate college for no reason.
If you don't want, don't go, but why bother what others do?
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Who cares if you get paid more if you are immediately in crippling debt
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Because too many people expect universities to be trade schools.
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There are rich people who went to college and didn't have to work during that whole time, who brag that they're smarter than bros who couldn't afford to stay in college for eight years and had to work for a living. It's the stuck up college graduates who give honest graduates a bad name.
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I don't think they are. I think they are just realizing college isn't some magical one size fits all thing for advancing in life. People are seeing the business nature of college, how much debt they are putting our youth into and taking a harder look at whether college is the answer. Don't think it hurts at all to give people other options and not look down upon people who make a great living with their hands. Electricians, plumbers, welders and the lot make bank.
Construction and Arborists are even more insane and doubt you need much education for those.
I don't think they are. I think they are just realizing college isn't some magical one size fits all thing for advancing in life. People are seeing the business nature of college, how much debt they are putting our youth into and taking a harder look at whether college is the answer. Don't think it hurts at all to give people other options and not look down upon people who make a great living with their hands. Electricians, plumbers, welders and the lot make bank.
Construction and Arborists are even more insane and doubt you need much education for those.
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Originally Posted By CLEAN_SET_OF_10⏩
See:https://www.bls.gov/emp/chart-unempl...-education.htmWho cares if you get paid more if you are immediately in crippling debt
The difference is too big to be made up for by debt in the long run.
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College is almost a necessity for most people who want to earn more in most countries, it just so happens that American tuition costs fuk students over.
Most degrees in the US are worthless for this reason; hard sciences, law etc excluded.
Most degrees in the US are worthless for this reason; hard sciences, law etc excluded.
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student loan bubble + out of control liberal extremist brainwashing in colleges
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Originally Posted By gangstaLyfe⏩
Here's the thing: Nowadays you have to get a degree just to do administrative work that pays well.because the banks profit so much over the loans. not to mention the school get's their cut. people pay big money to get general degrees to work retail or at a car dealership when they could of done that straight out of HS. sure the big paying jobs require a backround but thats top tier percentile people who already have connections. lots of average people go to secondary education just to get into 10k debt to work filling out forms ordoing basic chit for 40/50k a year.
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Originally Posted By CHARBACK⏩
My school is triple+ the cost of when I went there.Inflated costs due to bloated administration and easy student loans and being forced to take a ton of bullchit classes.
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Originally Posted By gangstaLyfe⏩
because the banks profit so much over the loans. not to mention the school get's their cut. people pay big money to get general degrees to work retail or at a car dealership when they could of done that straight out of HS. sure the big paying jobs require a backround but thats top tier percentile people who already have connections. lots of average people go to secondary education just to get into 10k debt to work filling out forms or doing basic chit for 40/50k a year.
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Because it’s full of chit.
My supervisor and co-workers don’t have degrees, but here I am, an *******
My supervisor and co-workers don’t have degrees, but here I am, an *******
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Because you are forced to pay 10s of thousands of dollars, get saddled with debt as a teenager, to go learn a bunch of useless garbage and have ideologies shoved down your throat, yet for some reason it's still a requirement if you want a decent paying job these days
Yes bitter.
Unless you are studying STEM at a top school, getting a degree is just a useless, expensive formality.
Yes bitter.
Unless you are studying STEM at a top school, getting a degree is just a useless, expensive formality.
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college is a waste of time, energy and money FOR MOST PEOPLE!
your early 20's are probably better spent getting real labor/trade skills like carpentry, electric, plumbing FOR MOST PEOPLE!
however, if you're actually bright (good at math, writing, whatever) then you should aim for getting a 4 year degree, then masters.
the problem is that there really isn't an equal opportunity these days for college grads. a liberal arts major is working at Starbucks post college while an Electrical engineering major is probably working for a good tech industry giant/firm (and in this economy, sometimes even the STEM majors have a really tough time finding work, unless they're programmers). Then you have "pre-med" students barely scraping by and not even following through with their desired field of practice.
college is a waste of resources if you're not cut out to be there (and that goes for easily half the people in the world)
your early 20's are probably better spent getting real labor/trade skills like carpentry, electric, plumbing FOR MOST PEOPLE!
however, if you're actually bright (good at math, writing, whatever) then you should aim for getting a 4 year degree, then masters.
the problem is that there really isn't an equal opportunity these days for college grads. a liberal arts major is working at Starbucks post college while an Electrical engineering major is probably working for a good tech industry giant/firm (and in this economy, sometimes even the STEM majors have a really tough time finding work, unless they're programmers). Then you have "pre-med" students barely scraping by and not even following through with their desired field of practice.
college is a waste of resources if you're not cut out to be there (and that goes for easily half the people in the world)
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Because people waste a massive amount of money on college when they are studying a bull**** major. Anything that isn't STEM is literally a waste of time and money. With the only exception being you've got money and time to burn.
Also college is too cheap and too easy. Too many people are getting undergraduate degrees which has drastically reduced their worth. IMO anything less then 85-90% should be a failing grade. And college should be harder to pay for. IE only give student loans to people with a 4.0 in high school. Every else should either be able to pay for college out-right or either get an athletic or academic scholarship.
I'm not anti-college at all. I'm anti stupid people. And unfortunately the majority of people going to/graduating college are really stupid. brb 50K in debt to be a barista with an art degree.
Also college is too cheap and too easy. Too many people are getting undergraduate degrees which has drastically reduced their worth. IMO anything less then 85-90% should be a failing grade. And college should be harder to pay for. IE only give student loans to people with a 4.0 in high school. Every else should either be able to pay for college out-right or either get an athletic or academic scholarship.
I'm not anti-college at all. I'm anti stupid people. And unfortunately the majority of people going to/graduating college are really stupid. brb 50K in debt to be a barista with an art degree.
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College isn’t an investment anymore
Degrees are more expensive than they are worth
Degrees are more expensive than they are worth
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I feel like this topic has been rehashed to death...
There are about 20 majors (merging specialist degree's into their parent degree) with a solid ROI. Everything else isn't.
People have been taught by retards like you that they are a loser if they don't go to college. However, they have also been taught to do what they love and follow their dreams.
This results in a bunch of people with bachelors degrees in sociology with 40k in debt becoming barista's.
There are about 20 majors (merging specialist degree's into their parent degree) with a solid ROI. Everything else isn't.
People have been taught by retards like you that they are a loser if they don't go to college. However, they have also been taught to do what they love and follow their dreams.
This results in a bunch of people with bachelors degrees in sociology with 40k in debt becoming barista's.
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College has lots of perks , I’m getting my second degree now for cheap. Had a great job when I finished school first time round. It slowed down so I took the opportunity to advance my education. Just recently received another strong job offer. Education opens doors of opportunity. Trade schools have their perks too.
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Originally Posted By jonmcd46⏩
Calm down. I am an intellectual who has degrees in Mechanical Engineering and Accounting. I know a thing or two.No one has *******, maybe if you go outside, read something other than CNN you'd realize the world isn't so scary and you're not a victim.
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Originally Posted By johnnydeep1⏩
The majority of people do not go to college for one of these degrees. Further, the vast majority of people are intellectually incapable of pursuing those degrees. Instead they rack up massive debt to go into a field that pays less if they decided to instead focus on a tradeCollege is useful if you major in the right subject or get the right certification after graguation.College grads. get paid much more than non-college graduates on average. Many seem to hate college for no reason.
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Originally Posted By johnnydeep1⏩
From the threads I've seen you post, I can tell you that you are not. If you were smart you'd have a career at the age of 23, you'd also not be a virgin.Calm down. I am an intellectual who has degrees in Mechanical Engineering and Accounting. I know a thing or two.
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Originally Posted By jonmcd46⏩
"smart you'd have a career at the age of 23"From the threads I've seen you post, I can tell you that you are not. If you were smart you'd have a career at the age of 23, you'd also not be a virgin.
Honest question do you lift?
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So? Doctors start their career at the age of 30+. Are plumbers smarter than them? You obviously never went to college or you would realize this. I believe that you are lying about your degree in math. You don't talk like an intellectual or someone who values education.
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Yes. I can dumbell press 95. lbs. for 6 reps. I bet that more than what you can do, you little, skinny, manlet.
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Originally Posted By johnnydeep1⏩
You are not trying to be a doctor, stop being butt hurt from criticism. No by the time I was 23 I had my degree and a career. How about a ban bet, if I can prove to a mod that I have a math degree, or that I can do more than 95lbs for 6 reps(LOL) you get banned, if not I get banned. I prefer barbell bench, so can I do that instead?"smart you'd have a career at the age of 23"
So? Doctors start their career at the age of 30+. Are plumbers smarter than them? You obviously never went to college or you would realize this. I believe that you are lying about your degree in math.
"Honest question do you lift"
Yes. I can dumbell press 95. lbs. for 6 reps. I bet that more than what you can do, you little, skinny, manlet.
So? Doctors start their career at the age of 30+. Are plumbers smarter than them? You obviously never went to college or you would realize this. I believe that you are lying about your degree in math.
"Honest question do you lift"
Yes. I can dumbell press 95. lbs. for 6 reps. I bet that more than what you can do, you little, skinny, manlet.
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Originally Posted By jonmcd46⏩
I’m 25 working on my second stem degree , Is it too late for me to be smart ? Got a good job offer on the table but my education is more importanter to me right nowsFrom the threads I've seen you post, I can tell you that you are not. If you were smart you'd have a career at the age of 23, you'd also not be a virgin.
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Originally Posted By jonmcd46⏩
"I can do more than 95lbs for 6 reps(LOL)"You are not trying to be a doctor, stop being butt hurt from criticism. No by the time I was 23 I had my degree and a career. How about a ban bet, if I can prove to a mod that I have a math degree, or that I can do more than 95lbs for 6 reps(LOL) you get banned, if not I get banned. I prefer barbell bench, so can I do that instead?
You are an anorexic manlet, so I doubt you can do that much.
"You are not trying to be a doctor"
Many people who do advanced majors or double majors take extra time. If you were an intellectual, you would know that.
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I tried college until I realized it wasn't really necessary for the area I wanted to go in: IT.
That was over 10 years ago, and mind you, I'm not talking about programming, which yes college seems fitting in that case.
I work in an IT position and though, its more of an operational position, I make decent money (where I live).
I think the scam college pulls though really is around non STEM fields. Positions that you could learn on the job or in some short term school (Business, Accounting, Art...).
College anymore is about the job security and relevance of the staff... and the hysteria they weave to convince the masses.
That was over 10 years ago, and mind you, I'm not talking about programming, which yes college seems fitting in that case.
I work in an IT position and though, its more of an operational position, I make decent money (where I live).
I think the scam college pulls though really is around non STEM fields. Positions that you could learn on the job or in some short term school (Business, Accounting, Art...).
College anymore is about the job security and relevance of the staff... and the hysteria they weave to convince the masses.
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