I hear people whine about vaccines all too often these days. "I got sick the one year I decided to get the flu shot. It must be a conspiracy to give us autism or sell us bs!!!".

I suppose getting polio or some other horrendous disease would be better than the 0.000000001% chance that a vaccine might make your kid an autist. Complete and utter loons who put the rest of us at risk due to their "rights". Rights are one thing, but consequences should be had when you refuse the most basic of modern healthcare. Get rid of these stupid exceptions where vaccine truthers get to place their children in daycares and schools with kids whose parents aren't complete and utter sciene rejecting retards. These are the same people who call you "unscientific" if you don't believe the world will end in 10 years due to "climate change" per instruction of clowns like AOC.

climate change quacks and anti-medical choice quacks are on the same side, you dumb *******

if the vaccine is effective why are you concerned about other people exercising their most basic of human rights?

let me guess, you believe the government should raise children and not parents? phukkin ******* you are...

You can't even spell right...

Also vaccines are the easiest way to inject some chit into a population of obedient, clueless morons.

Wasn't there a US experiment where they injected African American's with STD's under the guise of vaccination? Tuskegee experiment I believe it is now declassified.

Youd guys would have a more believable case if the sole basis for the vast majority of your argument wasnt based on conspiracy theories.

That's not an argument.

Whenever there is excessive social shame towards one side of an argument, there is always a problem that wants to be unseen.

Questions. I, like a lot of people, question the nature of vaccines and what is in them. If you research it, and don't have questions, you are a slave to authority. There have also been several cases that have been opened and closed where families won claiming vaccinations caused major health issues.

There have been basically zero cases of polio, yet you think if a group of people stop taking vaccines, polio is going to come back and destroy the nation? If you took the vaccine, you cannot get it anyways, correct? If you had a child and the nurses told you that have to administer 30 different vaccinations over a 6 month period, would you question it?

Have you even looked at what is in a vaccine? Look at the current vaccination protocol for babies. It's asinine to think that it is healthy for a baby to receive the amount of vaccines they are pushing nowadays.

QUESTION. Are all vaccines terrible and cause autism? Probably not. Is there some correlation between vaccination and a rise in autism? Probably. Never shame or feel ashamed someone asking questions, or you asking questions. Never fully give your instincts over and trust a major sector, especially in the medical field of corruption, with your decisions. Always question and research.

Are you mentally challenged?

You seriously took the time to write that out? Do you even have hobbies or a job

Excellent post, thank you. The part in bold is particularly astute and well stated.

you sound hysterical and easily triggered, a surefire symptom of being over vaccinated

You have 11,000 more posts than me on this forum.

I already know you're a ****, but you can't be this stupid.

Strong proof. Dumbass playpboy sloot was you guys spokeseman for a while.

As a fully vaccinated specimen (thanks mom/dad), I for one welcome a previously exterminated plague to come back and weed out a few of the weak

First of all, that's your entire response?

Second of all, I said correlation. Rise in vaccinations and rise in autism in children have seen to go hand in hand. No one big body is going to research it though because of monetary gains.

Also, when you have guys like Bill Gates talking about population control and pushing vaccinations, and also talking about future pandemic that may kill 33 million people, I'm going to question. I'm looking for answers, not playing joining a side of a false binary argument used for social shame and elitism.

Mom was in her 30's when she had me in 1972, and the vaccines they gave me were full of mercury back then. Now I live with Tourette Syndrome and all the Autismo issues that come with it. ADD, Bi-polar like rage attacks, sleep disorders, OCD, neuroticism, etc.

The theory is that it's the mercury that used to be in vaccines, combined with an older egg from the mother, that has a chance of causing abnormalities.

The point flew right over your head. But go ahead and keep hyper focusing on one very specific point of the post to form you "arguement" and believe you've made an intelligent point. Whatever makes you feel better.

Do you seriously fail to realize how ridiculous your retort sounds when I literally questioned the mainstream view of apocolyptic climate change causes by man in the same post? Come one, lol.

Ask yourself this: Where is the money in lying about the benefits of vaccines, and why wouldn't Big insurance have a reason to contest the science behind it if it was all bs and would lose them a ton of money to Big Pharma for no reason? You won't have an answer, because it makes zero sense. Follow the money.

You’re the one who ASKED for a perm ban then continued to post on other forums and made Alts on this one.

Correlation does not equal causation......... science 101.

They also label 50% of kids as some variable of mental disorder nowadays, from autism, to ADHD, to clinically depressed. When back in the day, many of them would have just been considered oddballs, or going through a strange phase that may or may not have required clinical help. There is a tremendous amount of money to be had in over-diagnosing that chit.

You really need to learn to think outside of the box.

Polio still exists

That's not a scientific theory. That's hogwash you came up with on your own to figure out why you have issues. Your mother being beyond age 35 and potential environmental issues have a much greater probability of causing your issues than the vaccines from an evidence based standpoint.

So you have issues and were vaccinated. You blame the vaccines in a large way. Then how do you explain the vast majority of vaccinated people who don't have those issues?

It wasn't my theory, I read about it elsewhere. I'll never know if the mercury in my vaccines contributed or by how much, but it's something for people to consider if they want to have children. It may help people to decide to have them sooner and make sure any vaccines are the newer kind that are mercury free.

This.
We should stop vaccinating for 10 years or so
When the diseases come back in full force we can see all the antivaxx *******s begging for their shots

I don't get the flu vaccine, because I think those are retarded, but I'm definitely not antivax.


For the record, you can still get the disease that you're vaccinated for, although the chance is exponentially lower, but having so many antivax *******s still puts us vaccinated folk at risk.

People who don’t learn but still hold their own opinions as gold really **** up the world. A lot of people are stupid and lazy.

Only thing approaching any sort of truth ITT.... as others have said:

- Correlation =/= causation

- Polio is still prevalent in developing countries but is rare to non-existent in developed 1st world countries due to..... vaccination.

- There are increasing numbers of reformed antivaxxers after their children:
-> Ended up autistic despite never being vaccinated,
-> Contracted diseases not heard of for the last 50 years and suffered life-changing effects or death.

- Herd immunity is a thing, the antivaxxers put everyone else at risk.

- The autism link was made by a n=12 study which the Lancet for some crazy reason (and later to their embarrassment) published. Most of the antivax bs stemmed from the publication of Wakefield's study and many ITT would benefit from reading about the study itself, the flaws, and ultimately, the retraction. If people are going to argue that he was taken down by "big pharma" or whatever, then they should read up on statistical power and reflect upon the nature of Wakefield's work.

Eggertson L. Lancet retracts 12-year-old article linking autism to MMR vaccines. CMAJ. 2010;182(4):E199–E200. doi:10.1503/cmaj.109-3179

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2831678/

Boom!

But real tea, none of these deluded peeps itt will even bother to read this post and will continue to trumpet the same antivax nonsense.

Most vaccines that get introduced is for diseases that are for the most part extinct/going extinct. The chance of you getting the disease without the vaccine is so miniscule by the time the vaccine comes out.

Then vaccines have a lot of neurotoxins as additives in very high dosages, usually the vaccines are injected into children so by body mass the neurotoxins should affect them more than an adult being injected.


So basically it comes down to do you want to inject yourself with a bunch of neurotoxins in order to prevent a disease that you'll likely never get even without a vaccine?

For some vaccines, perhaps it's worth it, but if the disease is basically dead in the first place... then I don't see the point in injecting myself with neurotoxins which are known to **** up my immune system,nervous system, and health. I would rather risk the 1 millionth of a chance of getting the disease.


I would personally, for myself, consider it case-on-case basis on probability and severity of disease.

Im not an anti vaxxer, but just wanted to share because this thread reminded me of it, last week my otherwise healthy dog had a routine injection, had an allergic reaction and passed away right there in the vet

feels man. 10 years old. srs

Why do you suppose the diseases are "going extinct"? Could it have something to do with the fact that they can't get a hold because there are no more host organisms around (ie: humans with naieve immune systems)? As stated, they are not "going extinct" but we just don't suffer from them anymore because we have herd immunity- go to India and see how many of these "extinct" disease are still rife among the population. The "miniscule" chance again comes back to herd immunity- if you have a few nice bodies for the disease to get a hold in, then it can replicate, change, and become more able to infect others (including vaccinated people)- your "one in one-millionth" chance then becomes one in one-hudred thousand, one in one-thousand, .....





As for neurotoxins..... I'd bet your shampoo, food etc all have the same stuff in it. As you say, it's about dose and the doses given in vaccines are miniscule and they're not there to kill off the population or whatever the latest conspiracy has. The scary sounding chemicals are there as as adjuvants- maybe do a bit of reading. People much smarter than you and I (in that field) don't just dream this stuff up and apply it willy-nilly.

Another point to make here while talking about "toxins"- this is a BB forum: how many use supplements? Who knows what's in those? What are the regulations around supplements? (not a lot, they are not classed like medicines). If you've ever used cell-tech and want to argue about toxins in vaccines, you don't have a leg to stand on.

Sorry to hear about your dog man. I'm curious though, if he was 10 years-old, what vaccine was he getting that he hadn't had before in his 10 years (and would've likely experienced an adverse reaction in the past)? I wonder if if could've been an incorrectly administered vaccine (accidental intravenous injection)?

Friend of mine is a pediatric nurse and deals with this Amish family all the time. They have 13 kids and don't believe in modern medicine until their kids get sick and end up in the hospital - which is all the time. Not a single one of them is vaccinated and 3 have recently contracted german measles.