Just a daily reminder.

If you cut your dik you are still a man. This **** seems to be hard to understand....

There are intersex people though. And it is also possible for something to go wrong in the brain during development and have someone who is mentally female in a phenotypically male body or vice versa. These would likely be "trans".

But let's be honest. That is a very rare physiological condition. What is not a rare condition is mental illness.

Let’s be real tea. If you live in any major liberal city you already know transgender women don’t look like the ones posted by madvillany outside of escorts and porn.

Imagine posting something this stupid on misc lmao.

Negged srs.

This

This

Serious

watch your pronouns

Just a daily reminder. OP is a *******

So it's a mental illness. You are correct

Sure it's rare. So are trans people. Rare doesn't mean they don't exist.

Is it actually a issue in your daily life if 0.01% of the population wants to be a different gender

It sure as **** doesnt affect me in anyway lol

We've had this discussion before, and there is no such thing as being mentally female.

My entire point is that mental illnesses have physical mechanisms. There is some underlying reason. We just don't understand it well enough yet. It's important to understand human development and what determines the so called genders or phenotypes that we see in humans.

Until then, therapies like hormones or surgeries may be beneficial for some and not others. It's a touchy subject, but doctors have looked at this and think the good outweighs the bad in offering these trans hormones/surgeries.

We've had this discussion before and I linked you articles which showed there were some chemical differences seen in males, ftm trans, mtf trans, and females in the brain. One day, we will have a smoking gun which can predict trans behavior purely biologically.

Yeah I thought that was you lol. Hope you stick around srs.

Doctors like to play God by nature and are paid very well to do so. Heck if I was an m.d I’d like to fuk about with hormones and organs and see what species I could invent

Agreed. 100% agreed. People should be able to dress and present however they want with no judgement.

But

Should we be cutting off the dinks and removing vaginal canals from people (and children!) who may have a mental illness? Do we do it for people with other forms of body dysmorphia?

Should we be changing language and definitions to avoid making less than 1% of the population uncomfortable? Conflating sex and gender for instance.

Should we be removing women's rights to request female only spaces, care, prisons, and sports? Especially traumatised or religious women who are already vulnerable. Baring in mind statistics show male transgender retain male pattern offending and massive strength advantages over females regardless of HRT?

Should we be skewing census and crime statistics which should allow for accurate data gathering on the population? Male crimes are now being recorded as female here if they self-ID as women.

Should we be denying biological reality and policing speech that pertains to biological reality as hate speech? The different sexes have very different health and medical needs, it is dangerous to blur the lines between them.

Or we could let them dress how they want, call themselves what they want but keep sex-segregation where it is necessary for the safety, dignity and privacy of both sexes. A third space and resources should be created for those who are uncomfortable using the facilities for their birth sex for whatever reason.

Trans person detected

You're just jelly that a women (trans) might be stronger than you and mog you.

If you cut your dik off you’re just insane.

In before transtesticles.

Are*


Sorry, pet peeve

IDK about child surgeries. That's a huge grey area. I'd generally say no, and yet teen sexual development is crucial for people's sense of well being. Many suicides happen at that age. So, it is hard to say. I will say this. When I was 5, I KNEW I was a boy. I always knew. It was part of my core sense of self. If there are kids who KNOW they are female and are in male bodies or vice versa, then surgery and hormones may improve their lives. On the other hand, make a mistake and u just chopped a kid's dick off. This is a serious medical ethics question. I think the consensus is to offer those surgeries and hormones to kids only as a last resort in very rare circumstances where there is substantial evidence this isn't "just a phase". I'd say there ought to be a huge amount of data indicating the child's behavior and preferred gender and multiple psych reviews before considering any form of hormones or surgery.

Sports is another messed up area. To be blunt sports are stupid. It was always about genetics. The issue is when we make 2 distinct camps, it doesn't properly dichotomize the species. There will always be fringe females with high T or XY female phenotypes that would dominate female sports. It is pretty bullchit that a dude can fake being a woman and win at women's sports. I would create a tiered system based on hormone levels and weight. Such a system would be more competitive and somewhat more fair. Edge cases would still exist though. We do weight classes in UFC and it works similarly. But maybe we should reevaluate why we care so much about sport performance if someone can just take hormones and win...

You could make a tranny freakshow league, but understandably, everyone would fraud and avoid playing in that league. There is no nice answer to this while keeping things the way they are. There was that olympic female runner who turned out to be XY...she had androgen insensitivity...she identified and behaved and looked exactly like a female. How do you deal with people like that? Certainly the y chromosome helped her somewhat. But is she a female or not? It's a grey area. And the grey areas are winning the competitions due to their advantages over pure females.

One thing is for sure. We aren't going back to the old days of putting these people to death or pretending they don't exist at all. That is not happening.

No trannies, just mentally ill people

Big Brain takes here....just how do you manage to stand up with so much blood powering that absolute unit of a cerebrum you have.

Sorry my bro. Didn't even realize I wrote "is" until now.



And by my bro I mean...never my bro.

Trans people are mentally ill and should be treated as such. They deserve compassion and understanding and pandering to their mental illness does not help them or society.

Sweet edit. I saw the truth before hand. It's okay bro I understand I still love you too

Our NHS is already being sued by multiple young adults who have had gender reassignment surgery and regretted it. I believe our women's and equalities minister will be announcing shortly a ban on surgery and HrT intervention on people under the age of 18. The long term affect of puberty blockers on mental and physical development are also unknown. This amounts to experimenting on children.

A 20lb man and a 200lb women would look very different regardless of hormone levels. Aside from the fat storage and muscle density, men have bigger, thicker tendons, higher bone density, larger lung capacity, stronger hand grip, different pelvic bone movement, more fast twitch muscle fibres.... and a multitude of other advantages. Women would be all but removed from competition. Check out high school boys running times vs olympic females.... it’s very eye-opening. I would either allow a third group as either “open” or “mixed”, it likely would be dominated by men though, but women would have fair competition in their own sports category. Anyone with a Y chromosome would be barred from the strictly women's category.

What of female prisons, did you research the staggering percentage of transwomen imprisoned for sex related and violent crimes as compared to females! Should female prisons who are mostly there for non-violent crimes have to shower and share a cell with a rapist or sexual predator who will be stronger and more intimidating than them?

I see no disadvantage to well-funded third spaces and facilities, such as sports groups, prisons, health services, rape crisis centres, toilets, changing rooms.... aside from the trans people not wanting them because they wouldn’t feel validated enough. But the majority’s safety, privacy and dignity should come before a tiny group's feelings of validation. Do you think that is a reasonable compromise?

No, they're still male...

I agree these *******s aren't "men". You have to earn that title.

They're not women either though and if you fuk one you're a *******.

I think a third space is valid. Prisons should be setup to prevent rapes. Prison rape is a huge issue for males as well. That is a separate situation. For sports, I think if they take into account hormone levels, it could be possible to have a tiered league system.

As far as experimenting on children, as I said, it should only be done for those kids for whom it would be a dramatic quality of life improvement. What must be done is that which minimizes overall suicide risk and harm. There needs to be an optimal balance where the likelihood of regret for a surgery is balanced by the benefit. This is impossible to perfectly quantify, but like I said, a thorough screening process could help with this. Also, in the future, people will be able to use biomarkers to really tell if there is a woman's brain trapped in a man's body, etc. Right now we aren't there yet so we need to be very cautious. IDK how things are done in the UK, but I know the US trans policy is not as simple as going and getting snipped - especially not as a minor.