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How do atoms know what form to take? (SRS)

If every object in the known universe is made of the same particles (atoms), can someone please explain to me how one group of atoms would form into a giraffe, and the other group of atoms form into a tree?

It can't be DNA since DNA is also made up of atoms (like everything else, apparently).
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Common organic chemical reactions. Carbon atoms are the building block for life, and have hundreds of different orientations (through bonding to each other with varying degrees of affinity) that are found in nature and living organisms. But water is the second linchpin in that oxygen and hydrogen atoms commonly bind to carbon atoms (ie why the body is over 70% water) in organic matter.

That’s the base of it. There’s only a finite amount of elements existing on earth otherwise which lend to more exotic or exogenous chemical reactions that may or may not be vital to the formation of living organisms

Think of each atom as a tiny magnet, with a specific number of electrons orbiting its nucleus. They only bind to other compatible atoms based on an exchange of electrons/protons in their “shells” and that’s how atomic bonds form. In nature they happen organically/spontaneously if the atmospheric conditions are right. But humans have the uncanny ability to force reactions by introducing external factors/chemicals into the reaction process to make things that wouldn’t normally happen otherwise. It’s modern alchemy essentially
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It's pretty obvious if you think about it
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Because there are a plurality of forms of causation and modes of being other than the reductive material, OP.

DNA codes for proteins and forms of non-coding RNA, it doesn't and can't code for morphology.
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Originally Posted By quadfecta
Common organic chemical reactions. Carbon atoms are the building block for life, and have hundreds of different orientations (through bonding to each other with varying degrees of affinity) that are found in nature and living organisms. But water is the second linchpin in that oxygen and hydrogen atoms commonly bind to carbon atoms (ie why the body is over 70% water) in organic matter.

That’s the base of it. There’s only a finite amount of elements existing on earth otherwise which lend to more exotic or exogenous chemical reactions that may or may not be vital to the formation of living organisms

Think of each atom as a tiny magnet, with a specific number of electrons orbiting its nucleus. They only bind to other compatible atoms based on an exchange of electrons/protons in their “shells” and that’s how atomic bonds form. In nature they happen organically/spontaneously if the atmospheric conditions are right. But humans have the uncanny ability to force reactions by introducing external factors/chemicals into the reaction process to make things that wouldn’t normally happen otherwise. It’s modern alchemy essentially
^^ repped

Also those various interactions/reactions between carbon based molecules eventually, over millions of years, lead to arbitrary structures with specific bond potentials. Some of the trillions of arbitrary structures interacted with others in such a way that they modified/linked them together. Over hundreds of trillions of such random interactions, evolution dictated that the ones which interacted in such ways as to continue to replicate and preserve themselves were the ones which kept happening. This became the basis for DNA/RNA and protein production.

This continued to develop into more and more complex structures of interacting molecules until prokaryotic cells evolved (bacteria) and those with the best ability of replication continued to evolve and become more complex. Eventually millions of different varieties of bacteria evolved and developed into more complex eukaryotic cells and eventually into multi-cellular organisms, each following a different path of evolution.

This diverging path of replicative success is why a couple billion years later you have very, very, very complex structures of different atoms->molecules -> cells -> cell structures and why they are so different. A the evolution path of the cells for giraffes and trees started to diverge billions of years ago
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Atoms don‘t know anything, they are just a scientific model to describe the physical aspects of certain observable phenomena.
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Originally Posted By BustaCapp
If every object in the known universe is made of the same particles (atoms), can someone please explain to me how one group of atoms would form into a giraffe, and the other group of atoms form into a tree?

It can't be DNA since DNA is also made up of atoms (like everything else).
Have you considered some adult education courses?

Plenty in your area.

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Think of it like how you can build many different structures out of legos. It is the unique electromagnetic and gravitational (and to a lesser extent nuclear and weak) properties of each combination of the atoms that make up an object that give it most of its macroscopic characteristics. You can get remarkably different characteristics by changing even just a single amino acid in a protein sequence. For example, I believe sickle cell anrmia is caused by a single point mutation in hemoglobin. The result is a very different macroscopic effect due to only a small microscopic change. It is mainly how molecules interact with each other electromagnetically and bond chemically that determines almost all of the large scale properties you see. Solids form structures. Often, a solid will be a cluster of highly regular repeating units of some molecule or atom. This would form a kind of crystal lattice. Sometimes, they don't exactly form a lattice. But the main idea is that these large scale phenomena and the overall sum of all the interactions of the individual atoms or molecules gives rise to the macroscopic properties you see in the material, such as tensile strength, hardness, color, etc. There are still a lot of unknown questions of how changes at the fundamental level might affect macroscopic characteristics. This is the exploration of the field of materials science.

When you look at things like what distinguishes a tree from a giraffe, there is more complexity occurring at the cellular, tissue, and organ level. The DNA is different so the combination of proteins interacting is different. The cells that end up being made are different. The tissue structures and organ systems end up becoming different. And in the end, you get 2 entirely different lifeforms even though fundamentally they are actually pretty similar, made up of the same basic elements for the most part, just in different amounts.

What is exciting is at each new level of interaction, where we look at groups of particles interacting, we see new phenomena and complexity. Even tho everything can be pictured in principle in terms of quantum fields or strings, this is not going to be useful as a way to see the difference between a tree and a giraffe. Similarly, distinguishing between organisms is irrelevant when studying planetary motion. You get interesting phenomena that appears at large scales even if the underlying atuff is all technically governed by a few rules.
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Originally Posted By quadfecta
Common organic chemical reactions. Carbon atoms are the building block for life, and have hundreds of different orientations (through bonding to each other with varying degrees of affinity) that are found in nature and living organisms. But water is the second linchpin in that oxygen and hydrogen atoms commonly bind to carbon atoms (ie why the body is over 70% water) in organic matter.

That’s the base of it. There’s only a finite amount of elements existing on earth otherwise which lend to more exotic or exogenous chemical reactions that may or may not be vital to the formation of living organisms

Think of each atom as a tiny magnet, with a specific number of electrons orbiting its nucleus. They only bind to other compatible atoms based on an exchange of electrons/protons in their “shells” and that’s how atomic bonds form. In nature they happen organically/spontaneously if the atmospheric conditions are right. But humans have the uncanny ability to force reactions by introducing external factors/chemicals into the reaction process to make things that wouldn’t normally happen otherwise. It’s modern alchemy essentially
Originally Posted By AlexSays
^^ repped

Also those various interactions/reactions between carbon based molecules eventually, over millions of years, lead to arbitrary structures with specific bond potentials. Some of the trillions of arbitrary structures interacted with others in such a way that they modified/linked them together. Over hundreds of trillions of such random interactions, evolution dictated that the ones which interacted in such ways as to continue to replicate and preserve themselves were the ones which kept happening. This became the basis for DNA/RNA and protein production.

This continued to develop into more and more complex structures of interacting molecules until prokaryotic cells evolved (bacteria) and those with the best ability of replication continued to evolve and become more complex. Eventually millions of different varieties of bacteria evolved and developed into more complex eukaryotic cells and eventually into multi-cellular organisms, each following a different path of evolution.

This diverging path of replicative success is why a couple billion years later you have very, very, very complex structures of different atoms->molecules -> cells -> cell structures and why they are so different. A the evolution path of the cells for giraffes and trees started to diverge billions of years ago
Originally Posted By wincel
Think of it like how you can build many different structures out of legos. It is the unique electromagnetic and gravitational (and to a lesser extent nuclear and weak) properties of each combination of the atoms that make up an object that give it most of its macroscopic characteristics. You can get remarkably different characteristics by changing even just a single amino acid in a protein sequence. For example, I believe sickle cell anrmia is caused by a single point mutation in hemoglobin. The result is a very different macroscopic effect due to only a small microscopic change. It is mainly how molecules interact with each other electromagnetically and bond chemically that determines almost all of the large scale properties you see. Solids form structures. Often, a solid will be a cluster of highly regular repeating units of some molecule or atom. This would form a kind of crystal lattice. Sometimes, they don't exactly form a lattice. But the main idea is that these large scale phenomena and the overall sum of all the interactions of the individual atoms or molecules gives rise to the macroscopic properties you see in the material, such as tensile strength, hardness, color, etc. There are still a lot of unknown questions of how changes at the fundamental level might affect macroscopic characteristics. This is the exploration of the field of materials science.

When you look at things like what distinguishes a tree from a giraffe, there is more complexity occurring at the cellular, tissue, and organ level. The DNA is different so the combination of proteins interacting is different. The cells that end up being made are different. The tissue structures and organ systems end up becoming different. And in the end, you get 2 entirely different lifeforms even though fundamentally they are actually pretty similar, made up of the same basic elements for the most part, just in different amounts.

What is exciting is at each new level of interaction, where we look at groups of particles interacting, we see new phenomena and complexity. Even tho everything can be pictured in principle in terms of quantum fields or strings, this is not going to be useful as a way to see the difference between a tree and a giraffe. Similarly, distinguishing between organisms is irrelevant when studying planetary motion. You get interesting phenomena that appears at large scales even if the underlying atuff is all technically governed by a few rules.
Antichrist science cope right here.

Nobody's ever seen an atom yet here are you ***gots believe everything those satanists write.
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Atoms are really small, so you have to zoom out to see what it is they formed. The same atoms can form different things.

Think of a grain of sand, it could form many things. If you are really zoomed in under a microscope all you see is grains of sand, if you zoom out you could see if it could be a piece of concrete in the Woolworth Building in New York, it could be one of the Pyramids of Giza, or it could be a HBB's breast tissue.
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Originally Posted By BustaCapp
Antichrist science cope right here.

Nobody's ever seen an atom yet here are you ***gots believe everything those satanists write.
Atoms have been seen, technology has advanced dude:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EogdalfXF4c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGWSX6pStd0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9dn-Umr7VU
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Originally Posted By BustaCapp
Antichrist science cope right here.

Nobody's ever seen an atom yet here are you ***gots believe everything those satanists write.
Jokes on you brah.
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Originally Posted By quadfecta
Common organic chemical reactions. Carbon atoms are the building block for life, and have hundreds of different orientations (through bonding to each other with varying degrees of affinity) that are found in nature and living organisms. But water is the second linchpin in that oxygen and hydrogen atoms commonly bind to carbon atoms (ie why the body is over 70% water) in organic matter.

That’s the base of it. There’s only a finite amount of elements existing on earth otherwise which lend to more exotic or exogenous chemical reactions that may or may not be vital to the formation of living organisms

Think of each atom as a tiny magnet, with a specific number of electrons orbiting its nucleus. They only bind to other compatible atoms based on an exchange of electrons/protons in their “shells” and that’s how atomic bonds form. In nature they happen organically/spontaneously if the atmospheric conditions are right. But humans have the uncanny ability to force reactions by introducing external factors/chemicals into the reaction process to make things that wouldn’t normally happen otherwise. It’s modern alchemy essentially
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Originally Posted By BustaCapp
Antichrist science cope right here.

Nobody's ever seen an atom yet here are you ***gots believe everything those satanists write.
did you try a magnifying glass? they can zoom in pretty good, try looking at your TV panel with them you can see individual pixels and the 3 color blocks that make them. You can tell if its an IPS panel or not. Back in the day they used to have "panel lotteries" and the same TV had different panels used, some chittier than others, had to check your TV to make sure it was legit and you got the good one.

I bet if you had an even bigger magnifying glass you could see some atoms.
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