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Anyone have a Boerboel or Black Russian Terrier?
Thinking about getting one of these as my next dog, I had Akitas most of my life. Ive been trying to decide on which breed to get since the beginning of the year but most of what I know is just from researching online. Both are pretty rare breeds so Ive only ever met a few in person, hoping to get some feedback on these. Either one seems like they'd be a good fit for me Black Russians have more grooming upkeep but dont shed, which would be a really nice change after having Akitas.
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Why do you want a high maintenance working breed if you don't have a job for it to do?
09-06-2020, 08:31 PM
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No but I always thought a Boerboel was a cool dog. Apparently it makes a great loyal family pet, but I couldn’t imagine feeding that thing every day. From what I understand you could never have a friend just walk in and say hey as they will put most intruders that they don’t know in the hospital.
I read an ownership thread on the internet where an owner said he was playing tug of war with the dog with a rope toy and the dog lost it’s grip and went to bite it again to keep playing. He reached to far and chomped the owners wrist instead and broke his wrist. These dogs seem cool and like a good loyal dog but high maintenance and responsibility like crazy. You seem used to a powerful breed though so if you know what you’re doing I say go for it. Name it Tiny!
I read an ownership thread on the internet where an owner said he was playing tug of war with the dog with a rope toy and the dog lost it’s grip and went to bite it again to keep playing. He reached to far and chomped the owners wrist instead and broke his wrist. These dogs seem cool and like a good loyal dog but high maintenance and responsibility like crazy. You seem used to a powerful breed though so if you know what you’re doing I say go for it. Name it Tiny!
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Originally Posted By ErnieMccracken⏩
I guess when I think of high maintenance working breeds, I think of things like Shepherds/Malinois and Dobermans.Why do you want a high maintenance working breed if you don't have a job for it to do?
I have a small homestead with a bunch of chickens and a little bit of livestock, so they will be used as a deterrent for large hawks and foxes that have recently tried going after the chickens. Plus Im very active and work from home, so I dont think i'll have much difficulty giving either breed enough exercise and training, since I plan on doing advanced obedience training and getting a CGC (canine good citizen)
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09-06-2020, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted By hardestgainer⏩
Mirin' homestead. I'd love to have a dog of war.I guess when I think of high maintenance working breeds, I think of things like Shepherds/Malinois and Dobermans.
I have a small homestead with a bunch of chickens and a little bit of livestock, so they will be used as a deterrent for large hawks and foxes that have recently tried going after the chickens. Plus Im very active and work from home, so I dont think i'll have much difficulty giving either breed enough exercise and training, since I plan on doing advanced obedience training and getting a CGC (canine good citizen)
I have a small homestead with a bunch of chickens and a little bit of livestock, so they will be used as a deterrent for large hawks and foxes that have recently tried going after the chickens. Plus Im very active and work from home, so I dont think i'll have much difficulty giving either breed enough exercise and training, since I plan on doing advanced obedience training and getting a CGC (canine good citizen)
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Originally Posted By Imnew1⏩
Do not take this guys advice you dirty ****.No but I always thought a Boerboel was a cool dog. Apparently it makes a great loyal family pet, but I couldn’t imagine feeding that thing every day. From what I understand you could never have a friend just walk in and say hey as they will put most intruders that they don’t know in the hospital.
I read an ownership thread on the internet where an owner said he was playing tug of war with the dog with a rope toy and the dog lost it’s grip and went to bite it again to keep playing. He reached to far and chomped the owners wrist instead and broke his wrist. These dogs seem cool and like a good loyal dog but high maintenance and responsibility like crazy. You seem used to a powerful breed though so if you know what you’re doing I say go for it. Name it Tiny!
I read an ownership thread on the internet where an owner said he was playing tug of war with the dog with a rope toy and the dog lost it’s grip and went to bite it again to keep playing. He reached to far and chomped the owners wrist instead and broke his wrist. These dogs seem cool and like a good loyal dog but high maintenance and responsibility like crazy. You seem used to a powerful breed though so if you know what you’re doing I say go for it. Name it Tiny!
Shoot it in the head like any other aggressive bread. Get a real dog you wannabe.
Omg so powerful for my yard I’m such a badass.
***gots deserved to be gunned down.
09-06-2020, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted By ManipulateTruth⏩
Easy man. I’d say 99% of people have no business owning this dog, as most people seem to have zero sense at handling even a toy dog, or a bird dog, much less a dog that was bread to ward of lions from entering South African villages like this dog was. Plus it’s gotta be expensive as hell to feed, has a short life span, probably ****s a pile as big as the dinosaur did in Jurassic Park, and nobody would ever want to come around and hang out at your place because of this dog.Do not take this guys advice you dirty ****.
Shoot it in the head like any other aggressive bread. Get a real dog you wannabe.
Omg so powerful for my yard I’m such a badass.
***gots deserved to be gunned down.
Shoot it in the head like any other aggressive bread. Get a real dog you wannabe.
Omg so powerful for my yard I’m such a badass.
***gots deserved to be gunned down.
I think they’re loyal to their owner and would be a great pet for the owner only. Everything else is a liability and there’s safer breeds.
Get a bloodhound OP. I had one and she was the most loyal dog ever and protective enough. Lazy as hell, but up to play any time I wanted to. Great with friends and kids. Kids can just roll all over his dog and pull their ears and they’ll just look sleepy. Everybody that met her loved her and her temperment and loyalty. They shed is the only problem.
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Originally Posted By hardestgainer⏩
Is this a misinformation thread? Sounds like they may be a great fit. They are a low maintenance dog and don’t need much exercise everyday. They can get along great with your animals and protect them like family. You can even train them to herd. They love laying out watching over their property. They are great family dogs and I’ve seen them take extreme caution with small children and elderly. They eat about 1 large bag a month. I have people come over all the time. There are plenty of people with medium and small dogs that I wouldn’t want to go to. It’s how you train them. They Also have a tighter face for a mastiff, preventing less droolI guess when I think of high maintenance working breeds, I think of things like Shepherds/Malinois and Dobermans.
I have a small homestead with a bunch of chickens and a little bit of livestock, so they will be used as a deterrent for large hawks and foxes that have recently tried going after the chickens. Plus Im very active and work from home, so I dont think i'll have much difficulty giving either breed enough exercise and training, since I plan on doing advanced obedience training and getting a CGC (canine good citizen)
I have a small homestead with a bunch of chickens and a little bit of livestock, so they will be used as a deterrent for large hawks and foxes that have recently tried going after the chickens. Plus Im very active and work from home, so I dont think i'll have much difficulty giving either breed enough exercise and training, since I plan on doing advanced obedience training and getting a CGC (canine good citizen)
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Originally Posted By blazenbb⏩
Yeah, Ive always wanted to consider one of the mastiff breeds but the list of all of them quickly got narrowed down to only the Boerboel and Cane Corso because the others wouldnt be great for doing a half day hike or go on a trail for a few miles. From what I read, Boerboels dont need the same exercise requirements daily as some other working breeds, but is still an incredibly athletic dog considering its size and that its a Mastiff. I thought a Boerboel would be better over a Cane Corso because they are more prone to separation anxiety, and Ive seen a dog turn aggressive from that.Is this a misinformation thread? Sounds like they may be a great fit. They are a low maintenance dog and don’t need much exercise everyday. They can get along great with your animals and protect them like family. You can even train them to herd. They love laying out watching over their property. They are great family dogs and I’ve seen them take extreme caution with small children and elderly. They eat about 1 large bag a month. I have people come over all the time. There are plenty of people with medium and small dogs that I wouldn’t want to go to. It’s how you train them. They Also have a tighter face for a mastiff, preventing less drool
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09-06-2020, 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted By blazenbb⏩
How do you train a dog with such strong guarding instincts not to chew up the uber eats guy or neighbor's yappy dog that wandered into your yard?Is this a misinformation thread? Sounds like they may be a great fit. They are a low maintenance dog and don’t need much exercise everyday. They can get along great with your animals and protect them like family. You can even train them to herd. They love laying out watching over their property. They are great family dogs and I’ve seen them take extreme caution with small children and elderly. They eat about 1 large bag a month. I have people come over all the time. There are plenty of people with medium and small dogs that I wouldn’t want to go to. It’s how you train them. They Also have a tighter face for a mastiff, preventing less drool
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I have several family friends who have had boerboels. Some are fine with people, others are not. Brothers and sisters from the same litter can have quite different temperaments.
There have been quite a few incidents of boerboels attacking their owners or the family's kids in SA. I know of a few farmers who have put down their boerboels because of it.
I think they are generally a lazy breed. People are just scared of them because of their size.
The brindle colour ones look quite cool.
They eat a ****load of food.
Have you looked at a Rhodesian Ridgeback?
There have been quite a few incidents of boerboels attacking their owners or the family's kids in SA. I know of a few farmers who have put down their boerboels because of it.
I think they are generally a lazy breed. People are just scared of them because of their size.
The brindle colour ones look quite cool.
They eat a ****load of food.
Have you looked at a Rhodesian Ridgeback?
09-06-2020, 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted By witblitz550⏩
Wat? Really?There have been quite a few incidents of boerboels attacking their owners or the family's kids in SA.
09-06-2020, 11:31 PM
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My friend had an African boerboel that thing was huge, and took huge dumps and consumed a grip of food. My other friend had an Akita and that dog out of every dog I’ve seen is a natural protector, he never trained it that dog was ready for battle and would growl at anyone that came to the house that it didn’t know.
I personally don’t have the time for maintenance only way I’d get a massive dog is if I lived on a ranch and needed a watch dog or some live stock guard, like a Great Pyrenees or something.
I’d rather just get a Labrador or a smaller dog like a French bulldog, or Welch corgi, my neighbor has the cutest frenchie he is like a little fat baby I always carry him and he likes greeting me, he hates the postman though.
I personally don’t have the time for maintenance only way I’d get a massive dog is if I lived on a ranch and needed a watch dog or some live stock guard, like a Great Pyrenees or something.
I’d rather just get a Labrador or a smaller dog like a French bulldog, or Welch corgi, my neighbor has the cutest frenchie he is like a little fat baby I always carry him and he likes greeting me, he hates the postman though.
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Originally Posted By hardestgainer⏩
Depends what you plan to do with it, what your living space looks like and how mch time you have. Honestly both are low maintenance compared to Akitas who need more attention. Both are great dogs but would go for the russ if you dont live in a place with a very big yard since Boerboels need space. Generally we have lots of Boerboels where I am from where its mostly people on smallholdings and farms that have them for protection (Farmers = Boer in Afrikaans / Dutch which is what they were originally named after).Thinking about getting one of these as my next dog, I had Akitas most of my life. Ive been trying to decide on which breed to get since the beginning of the year but most of what I know is just from researching online. Both are pretty rare breeds so Ive only ever met a few in person, hoping to get some feedback on these. Either one seems like they'd be a good fit for me Black Russians have more grooming upkeep but dont shed, which would be a really nice change after having Akitas.
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Consider a Giant Schnauzer which are similar to Russ's but have better balance overall and do well even in apartments but tough enough for protection and long hiking if that is something you like.
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09-07-2020, 12:01 AM
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Giant Schnauzer a good tough dogs.Depends what you plan to do with it, what your living space looks like and how mch time you have. Honestly both are low maintenance compared to Akitas who need more attention. Both are great dogs but would go for the russ if you dont live in a place with a very big yard since Boerboels need space. Generally we have lots of Boerboels where I am from where its mostly people on smallholdings and farms that have them for protection (Farmers = Boer in Afrikaans / Dutch which is what they were originally named after).
Consider a Giant Schnauzer which are similar to Russ's but have better balance overall and do well even in apartments but tough enough for protection and long hiking if that is something you like.
Consider a Giant Schnauzer which are similar to Russ's but have better balance overall and do well even in apartments but tough enough for protection and long hiking if that is something you like.
Those little mini Schauzer are feisty, too much energy and snap on people
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Originally Posted By ErnieMccracken⏩
Uber eats pulls in and my girls are on high alert barking and acting tough and I’ll reward them for letting me know. Then I’ll settle them because he’s not a threat and reward them again. If it’s someone I don’t know or want them to piss off, I keep saying “who’s here”. Haven’t had to deal with situation 2. With dogs like mine, your neighbors would turn little coco into a house dog with a litter boxHow do you train a dog with such strong guarding instincts not to chew up the uber eats guy or neighbor's yappy dog that wandered into your yard?
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Originally Posted By ChaliHo⏩
Yeah because they have all the original traits which made them good for their original purpose of hunting rats.Giant Schnauzer a good tough dogs.
Those little mini Schauzer are feisty, too much energy and snap on people
Those little mini Schauzer are feisty, too much energy and snap on people
Giant Schnausers have lots of doberman (disciplined) and great dane (relaxed) in so they are a lot more managable while having more guarding with less prey drive than regular or mini schnauzers.
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for sure, those little minis are feisty hunters they will kill mice and rodents in your home, with cats only the girl cats seem to hunt the boys not so much.Yeah because they have all the original traits which made them good for their original purpose of hunting rats.
Giant Schnausers have lots of doberman (disciplined) and great dane (relaxed) in so they are a lot more managable while having more guarding with less prey drive than regular or mini schnauzers.
Giant Schnausers have lots of doberman (disciplined) and great dane (relaxed) in so they are a lot more managable while having more guarding with less prey drive than regular or mini schnauzers.
look at these little guys hunting crab
What is the shed like on those giant schnauzer?
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Originally Posted By untranslatedZA⏩
Are you from SA? Ive read they are starting to get very popular again over there. I do have more than enough land for either breed. I had actually considered a Giant Schnauzer before either of these breeds, and thats how I found out about the Black Russian. I had read Giants werent as good with little kids though when it comes to playing and stuff, and thats realistically in my future in the next couple years. Black Russians seem like a slightly more muscular and better version of the Giant Schnauzer. They're great for protection but also make great therapy dogs and are great with little kids. Same goes for Boerboels for the most part, except they seem a little more prone to territorial issues and more dog aggressive. Idk if thats just Boerboels ending up in crappy owners hands, or if they're just easily more prone to it due to what they were originally designed for. I love their size and how athletic they are though, they definitely seem like one of the best mastiff breeds out there.Depends what you plan to do with it, what your living space looks like and how mch time you have. Honestly both are low maintenance compared to Akitas who need more attention. Both are great dogs but would go for the russ if you dont live in a place with a very big yard since Boerboels need space. Generally we have lots of Boerboels where I am from where its mostly people on smallholdings and farms that have them for protection (Farmers = Boer in Afrikaans / Dutch which is what they were originally named after).
Consider a Giant Schnauzer which are similar to Russ's but have better balance overall and do well even in apartments but tough enough for protection and long hiking if that is something you like.
Consider a Giant Schnauzer which are similar to Russ's but have better balance overall and do well even in apartments but tough enough for protection and long hiking if that is something you like.
Boerboels are super popular in my area of America despite being in a region where we get snow in the winters, it seems like the US breeders have focused more on the temperament side of things when breeding than the big guys in SA, like Targus and MES who pump out the elite BB's
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Bb are great dogs. I have seriously considered one as my next purchase (owned GSDs and APBTs my entire life).
Sounds like you have some space for them to roam as despise their size they are a homestead/farm dog. Keep in mind they are on the HIGH end when it comes to protective instinct. They are also independent thinkers which can lead to them misinterpreting situations and perceiving threats that are not there. Similar to Caucasian Ovcharkas, Filas and Presas.
If I was you I would looke into Dogos (higher energy) or Cane Corsos.
I think my next breed will likely be an Alapaha Blue Blood Bulldog.
Sounds like you have some space for them to roam as despise their size they are a homestead/farm dog. Keep in mind they are on the HIGH end when it comes to protective instinct. They are also independent thinkers which can lead to them misinterpreting situations and perceiving threats that are not there. Similar to Caucasian Ovcharkas, Filas and Presas.
If I was you I would looke into Dogos (higher energy) or Cane Corsos.
I think my next breed will likely be an Alapaha Blue Blood Bulldog.
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Originally Posted By hardestgainer⏩
get a kangal, supposed to be great dogs - both for guarding and being very friendlyI guess when I think of high maintenance working breeds, I think of things like Shepherds/Malinois and Dobermans.
I have a small homestead with a bunch of chickens and a little bit of livestock, so they will be used as a deterrent for large hawks and foxes that have recently tried going after the chickens. Plus Im very active and work from home, so I dont think i'll have much difficulty giving either breed enough exercise and training, since I plan on doing advanced obedience training and getting a CGC (canine good citizen)
I have a small homestead with a bunch of chickens and a little bit of livestock, so they will be used as a deterrent for large hawks and foxes that have recently tried going after the chickens. Plus Im very active and work from home, so I dont think i'll have much difficulty giving either breed enough exercise and training, since I plan on doing advanced obedience training and getting a CGC (canine good citizen)
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Originally Posted By ChaliHo⏩
I believe the shed is quite low, enough to have them live indoors. People say you need to groom them often but that is just to keep the hair short, not because of shedding.for sure, those little minis are feisty hunters they will kill mice and rodents in your home, with cats only the girl cats seem to hunt the boys not so much.
look at these little guys hunting crab
What is the shed like on those giant schnauzer?
look at these little guys hunting crab
What is the shed like on those giant schnauzer?
Originally Posted By hardestgainer⏩
Yes I am. Cape Town. From the research I did the issue with kids are more related to the dog just playing more roughly rather than being aggressive towards smaller kids. And yeah, boerboels are probably not great for toddlers since its a really ****ing imposing beast but I wouldnt worry for anything other than knocking the kid around by accident, though depends if its a new kid and an old dog vs new kid and new dog I suppose. They are extremely loyal and protective of their owners but a bit tanky so they kind of smash into stuff and kids get knocked over.Are you from SA? Ive read they are starting to get very popular again over there. I do have more than enough land for either breed. I had actually considered a Giant Schnauzer before either of these breeds, and thats how I found out about the Black Russian. I had read Giants werent as good with little kids though when it comes to playing and stuff, and thats realistically in my future in the next couple years. Black Russians seem like a slightly more muscular and better version of the Giant Schnauzer. They're great for protection but also make great therapy dogs and are great with little kids. Same goes for Boerboels for the most part, except they seem a little more prone to territorial issues and more dog aggressive. Idk if thats just Boerboels ending up in crappy owners hands, or if they're just easily more prone to it due to what they were originally designed for. I love their size and how athletic they are though, they definitely seem like one of the best mastiff breeds out there.
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Originally Posted By Mercworx⏩
Yeah, I think a Boerboel fits a lot of my needs. I dont think they're as bad as the Caucausian (theres actually a really good Russian breeder half an hour from me) and the others. I've had a few people tell me to avoid Dogos when I was looking into them, due to them being a less trainable breed but I do love that they're great big game hunting partners because I do hunt and Bears are a very real thing around here (and Mountain Lions get spotted on hiking trails every year), plus they're aesthetic as fuk.Bb are great dogs. I have seriously considered one as my next purchase (owned GSDs and APBTs my entire life).
Sounds like you have some space for them to roam as despise their size they are a homestead/farm dog. Keep in mind they are on the HIGH end when it comes to protective instinct. They are also independent thinkers which can lead to them misinterpreting situations and perceiving threats that are not there. Similar to Caucasian Ovcharkas, Filas and Presas.
If I was you I would looke into Dogos (higher energy) or Cane Corsos.
I think my next breed will likely be an Alapaha Blue Blood Bulldog.
Sounds like you have some space for them to roam as despise their size they are a homestead/farm dog. Keep in mind they are on the HIGH end when it comes to protective instinct. They are also independent thinkers which can lead to them misinterpreting situations and perceiving threats that are not there. Similar to Caucasian Ovcharkas, Filas and Presas.
If I was you I would looke into Dogos (higher energy) or Cane Corsos.
I think my next breed will likely be an Alapaha Blue Blood Bulldog.
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Originally Posted By untranslatedZA⏩
Yeah, I didnt mean in an aggressive way more just playing inside the way they would outside. BRT's supposedly have a better "off switch" inside and are a bit more calm and cuddly inside the house like the Boerboel. These guys all being bigger dogs, its inevitable they knock a kid over. the Boerboels I met were all owned by the same breeder, who is also a professional dog trainer, so even his alpha male was great once I was introduced to him. Seeing an athletic, 200lb Boerboel move as agile and as quick as his could, was probably the most impressive dog Ive ever seen with my own eyes. But then you hop on reddit or dog forum, and you see a ton of other owners seriously struggling with their BB once their territorial and guarding instincts kick in (especially males), its just slightly worrisomeI believe the shed is quite low, enough to have them live indoors. People say you need to groom them often but that is just to keep the hair short, not because of shedding.
Yes I am. Cape Town. From the research I did the issue with kids are more related to the dog just playing more roughly rather than being aggressive towards smaller kids. And yeah, boerboels are probably not great for toddlers since its a really ****ing imposing beast but I wouldnt worry for anything other than knocking the kid around by accident, though depends if its a new kid and an old dog vs new kid and new dog I suppose. They are extremely loyal and protective of their owners but a bit tanky so they kind of smash into stuff and kids get knocked over.
Yes I am. Cape Town. From the research I did the issue with kids are more related to the dog just playing more roughly rather than being aggressive towards smaller kids. And yeah, boerboels are probably not great for toddlers since its a really ****ing imposing beast but I wouldnt worry for anything other than knocking the kid around by accident, though depends if its a new kid and an old dog vs new kid and new dog I suppose. They are extremely loyal and protective of their owners but a bit tanky so they kind of smash into stuff and kids get knocked over.
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Originally Posted By hardestgainer⏩
Thats an interesting point. And yeah being in the US wild can be tricky so you need a proper dog.Yeah, I didnt mean in an aggressive way more just playing inside the way they would outside. BRT's supposedly have a better "off switch" inside and are a bit more calm and cuddly inside the house like the Boerboel. These guys all being bigger dogs, its inevitable they knock a kid over. the Boerboels I met were all owned by the same breeder, who is also a professional dog trainer, so even his alpha male was great once I was introduced to him. Seeing an athletic, 200lb Boerboel move as agile and as quick as his could, was probably the most impressive dog Ive ever seen with my own eyes. But then you hop on reddit or dog forum, and you see a ton of other owners seriously struggling with their BB once their territorial and guarding instincts kick in (especially males), its just slightly worrisome
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