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post 1618648841 10-07-2020, 02:01 AM
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Greg Doucette - Jeff Nippard interviews 5 experts about how hard should you train



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Haven’t watched the vid but LOL @ need to ask “how hard should I train”

Maybe this is why there are so many DYEL people that blame bad genetics or Natty limit
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Originally Posted By Realityy⏩
Haven’t watched the vid but LOL @ need to ask “how hard should I train”

Maybe this is why there are so many DYEL people that blame bad genetics or Natty limit
This. But muh stimulus:fatigue ratio. Lmao
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Who watches this crap? The entire social media fitness world (with very few exceptions)is pure cringe.
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A non natty talking to a bunch “professionals” who barely look like they lift talking about how hard you should go.

The Greg mogged them all
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I could see how frequently you train being a debate, or rep ranges, but how HARD? Isn't it supposed to feel equally hard no matter what rep range you're working in, albeit in a different way?
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post 1618675161 10-07-2020, 10:21 AM
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Mid-term fatigue needs to be evaluated and managed.

Lets take 5x5 for example.

You CAN 5x5 deadlifts 3 time a week at 70%.

Then add just a few pounds every workout.

Eventually you will notice, with the same rest periods, you are encroaching >85% at 5x5 three times a week. For example, a few years ago I hit 5x5 375 deadlifts but struggled with a 435 deadlift the following week.

Is your 1rm really that weak compared to your 5x5? Fuk no. No one is doing 5x5 with nearly 90% of their max.

To me, there is a long term fatigue element that can be evaluated by comparing your work capacity (weight you rep with) versus what you can max with. Some call this CNS fatigue, but I think that its more of a mix of things.
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Well, if you are on tech like these guys, the answer is "not very". Just, lift some light dumbbells till you get a pump.
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I understand looking at "the science" of it all, but man that kid is an annoying *******. Need to understand calculus and carry a scientific calculator with you at the gym or you're not doing it right. Jesus christ...
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Couldn't listen to that first kent for more than 10 seconds.

Whole lot of who cares going on itt.
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Nippard is a fake natty who hides behind "science based training"
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non natty giving commentary of fake natty interviewing fake nattys
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Cant stand nippard , he’s a huge... HUUUUUGGEE *******


Just lol @ all the dumbnuts who listen to his “science”, just pick up heavier weights every week you moron
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post 1618680421 10-07-2020, 11:13 AM
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Simple, if you can continue progressing, train harder than last time. If your lifts are genuinely not going up, feeling weak, train easier than last time until you can train harder.
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Originally Posted By Bigdumogre⏩
A non natty talking to a bunch “professionals” who barely look like they lift talking about how hard you should go.

The Greg mogged them all
Any time an expert or professional in health/nutrition/fitness looks like schit and like they don't lift, I personally believe it invalids their opinion. Academic studies are typically flawed. Using **** workout routines/exercises and not accounting for genetics, rest, nutrition, etc.




Originally Posted By shesprints⏩
I could see how frequently you train being a debate, or rep ranges, but how HARD? Isn't it supposed to feel equally hard no matter what rep range you're working in, albeit in a different way?
Gregs whole montra is if your not going to failure. You really don't know how many reps you've got left in the tank. Jeff likes to workout/say you can stop 2-4 reps shy of failure and get the same result. But the simple truth is very few people know what 2-4 reps shy of failure means.

After the initial Greg/ Nippard debates on this I decided to experiment. Taking a weight I'd normally do for 10-12 reps and I assumed was 2 or 3 reps prier to failure. I took to absolute failure. On all exercises I got an extra 5 reps or so. On certain arm exercises I got an extra 10 reps. And I've been lifting for 13 years. So I thought I had a pretty good idea of how close I was to 'failure'. The simple truth is even if you go to failure with proper form you can still knock out numerous reps with 3/4 rom and 1/2 rom before you actually can't go anymore.

I personally think Greg has a more applicable approach to training. He has a wayyyyy better pedigre for lifting then Jeff Nippard as well. Who is basically a nobody compared to Greg.
Originally Posted By SmithMachineGuy⏩
Well, if you are on tech like these guys, the answer is "not very". Just, lift some light dumbbells till you get a pump.
A lot of geared lifters and IFBB pro's train hard.
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Anyone that claims they know what rpe 8 or lower feels like without hitting failure sometime recently is a complete liar.
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No need to overcomplicate things:

Train as hard as you possibly can while still being able to recover nicely for your next session and train equally as hard. Thats fukin it.

I do legs on mondays and thursdays. I destroy my legs on mondays to a point where i will feel like **** th enext two days but by thursday im ready to go and hit it hard again. If i cant properly train on thursday, then that means i over did it a little, so either cut on sets or exercises.


This will depend on genetics, supplementation, etc. So just train as hard as you can but that you will still properly recover.
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Originally Posted By shesprints⏩
I could see how frequently you train being a debate, or rep ranges, but how HARD? Isn't it supposed to feel equally hard no matter what rep range you're working in, albeit in a different way?
Relative intensity (e.g. 5 reps at 85% 1RM is likely 100% relative intensity/going to failure because 85% of your 1RM generally approximates a 5RM) will vary.

"Shouldn't it feel equally hard?" When you periodize your training, you'll usually be lifting at varying levels of relative intensity throughout the different phases, generally increasing as you go. You'll also have exercises you do at higher/lower intensity, days you do at higher/lower intensity (example: Texas Method).

Olympic Weightlifter Zack Telander does a good job at looking at how relative intensity can be managed in a periodized program. The Sheiko programs also usually have a fukton of graphs about this sort of stuff.




Edit: Also Enoch's response is /thread
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Originally Posted By fishnbrah⏩
OP is a *******.
First thread on Misc, called a *******.
Well, I assume is normal.

Originally Posted By Bigdumogre⏩
A non natty talking to a bunch “professionals” who barely look like they lift talking about how hard you should go.
I agree that the interview is trash, but "barely look like they lift"?

John Meadows is a pro.
Eric Helms and Mike Israetel look like they lift, I remember that they competed at some point. Don't like them particulary, they overcomplicate things (what jk202 said)
Don't know anything about the woman.
Greg Nuckols is a fat guy who lifts a lot, I assume, don't know much about him.
But the first three look pretty jacked.
I like to learn from the mistakes of the people who take my advice.
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imagine living in Halifax. place is dead and dying even more.

and Jeff Nippards is such a beta pretty boy manlet. no wonder he's dating a 6/10 ethnic.
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Originally Posted By notsadnotmad⏩
imagine living in Halifax. place is dead and dying even more.

and Jeff Nippards is such a beta pretty boy manlet. no wonder he's dating a 6/10 ethnic.
Can’t stand that guy. Imagine trying to sell yourself as a natty because “science!” and “my parents were both lifters so I have great genetics!” while conveniently leaving out the fact that not only are they riding the bike but that they are in the lower height percentile of most third world Asian women.
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Jeff Nippard the type of dude to find one study to back up his claims and roll with it.
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Nippard and Doucette are utter retards. Jeff Cavaliere runs circles around both those clowns.
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lol @ jeff nipples srs. mirin how much money probably makes doing this but pretty cringey
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Originally Posted By ko300zx⏩
I understand looking at "the science" of it all, but man that kid is an annoying *******. Need to understand calculus and carry a scientific calculator with you at the gym or you're not doing it right. Jesus christ...
Lol yeah it's so stupid. I only ever watched like 2 videos of him and realise how fake he is. Blows my mind people can follow this ****git. I'm sure his fans are probably in the gym measuring angles and calculating chit on graphs instead of just being men and lifting some damn weight.
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Exactly why I follow kinobody. Yes it’s low volume but you go hard AF on the sets and there is enough recovery session to session. People don’t train hard or track lifts and they complain why they don’t see progress.
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