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post 1625643003 12-15-2020, 04:36 PM
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leftits: civil war was not about slavery

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Abraham Lincoln, an iconic American hero, could soon be an outcast in San Francisco, his legacy called into question and his name ripped off a high school.

Lincoln is one of dozens of historical figures who, according to a school district renaming committee, lived a life so stained with racism, oppression or human rights violations, they do not deserve to have their name on a school building.

The debate reflects a nation in turmoil, a reckoning with a racist past that lingers today, toppling Confederate statues from town squares and eliminating a large number of Robert E. Lee street signs.

“Uprooting the problematic names and symbols that currently clutter buildings, streets, throughout the city is a worthy endeavor,” said Jeremiah Jeffries, chairman of the renaming committee and a first-grade teacher in San Francisco. “Only good can come from the public being reflective and intentional about the power of our words, names and rhetoric within our public institutions.”
Regardless of the pop culture myths of Lincoln and his motivations, the Civil War was not fought over slavery or the liberation of Black people, he said.

“The history of Lincoln and Native Americans is complicated, not nearly as well known as that of the Civil War and slavery,” he said. “Lincoln, like the presidents before him and most after, did not show through policy or rhetoric that Black lives ever mattered to them outside of human capital and as casualties of wealth building.”
turns out abe was just fighting for state's rights
post 1625643633 12-15-2020, 04:40 PM
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The Confederacy was basically a Red-Shield front to break up the USA. When Lincoln was told he'd be charged a 28% interest rate by Red-Shield central banksters he made his own greenback treasury note, and it started the Civil War and ultimately led to his assassination.
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post 1625644153 12-15-2020, 04:45 PM
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It was about economics...
post 1625644323 12-15-2020, 04:46 PM
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It was about Chevy vs Ford
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it was about ass or tits
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post 1625644453 12-15-2020, 04:47 PM
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Every single state mentioned slavery as the number one reason for secession. Texas mentioned it 21 times in their articles of secession.

https://www.battlefields.org/learn/a...%20the%20Union.


For example here is Mississippi
Mississippi
A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union.

In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin. That we do not overstate the dangers to our institution, a reference to a few facts will sufficiently prove.

The hostility to this institution commenced before the adoption of the Constitution, and was manifested in the well-known Ordinance of 1787, in regard to the Northwestern Territory.

The feeling increased, until, in 1819-20, it deprived the South of more than half the vast territory acquired from France.

The same hostility dismembered Texas and seized upon all the territory acquired from Mexico.

It has grown until it denies the right of property in slaves, and refuses protection to that right on the high seas, in the Territories, and wherever the government of the United States had jurisdiction.

It refuses the admission of new slave States into the Union, and seeks to extinguish it by confining it within its present limits, denying the power of expansion.

It tramples the original equality of the South under foot.

It has nullified the Fugitive Slave Law in almost every free State in the Union, and has utterly broken the compact which our fathers pledged their faith to maintain.

It advocates negro equality, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst.

It has enlisted its press, its pulpit and its schools against us, until the whole popular mind of the North is excited and inflamed with prejudice.

It has made combinations and formed associations to carry out its schemes of emancipation in the States and wherever else slavery exists.

It seeks not to elevate or to support the slave, but to destroy his present condition without providing a better.

It has invaded a State, and invested with the honors of martyrdom the wretch whose purpose was to apply flames to our dwellings, and the weapons of destruction to our lives.

It has broken every compact into which it has entered for our security.

It has given indubitable evidence of its design to ruin our agriculture, to prostrate our industrial pursuits and to destroy our social system.

It knows no relenting or hesitation in its purposes; it stops not in its march of aggression, and leaves us no room to hope for cessation or for pause.

It has recently obtained control of the Government, by the prosecution of its unhallowed schemes, and destroyed the last expectation of living together in friendship and brotherhood.

Utter subjugation awaits us in the Union, if we should consent longer to remain in it. It is not a matter of choice, but of necessity. We must either submit to degradation, and to the loss of property worth four billions of money, or we must secede from the Union framed by our fathers, to secure this as well as every other species of property. For far less cause than this, our fathers separated from the Crown of England.

Our decision is made. We follow their footsteps. We embrace the alternative of separation; and for the reasons here stated, we resolve to maintain our rights with the full consciousness of the justice of our course, and the undoubting belief of our ability to maintain it.
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Originally Posted By p100
Every single state mentioned slavery as the number one reason for secession. Texas mentioned it 21 times in their articles of secession.

https://www.battlefields.org/learn/a...%20the%20Union.


For example here is Mississippi
Why didn't they accept the corwin amendment then
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Originally Posted By p100
Every single state mentioned slavery as the number one reason for secession. Texas mentioned it 21 times in their articles of secession.

https://www.battlefields.org/learn/a...%20the%20Union.


For example here is Mississippi
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post 1625647193 12-15-2020, 05:16 PM
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The South did nothing wrong
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OPs right. Lincoln was dragged into the emancipation proclamation two years into the war by abolitionists. He said several times before that it wasn't about slavery but preserving the union.

The south was staunch on states rights. Jefferson Davis actually noted that it was a hindrance in time of war as he couldn't act unilaterally in the interest of the confederacy. Besides that only a small percentage owned slaves( well under 10%). The majority didn't. And if you owned more that 20 slaves you had an exemption from service..


BTW the majority of northerners were against emancipation and saw the slaves as a lower class.
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post 1625647493 12-15-2020, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted By ayyy
it was about ass or tits
also this, it was a big deal to be for ass or tits. The south favored a busy broad. And the north favored fat asses.
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